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Old 11-18-2016, 11:49 AM
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In the Netherlands the whole monumental complex of Parliament will be "evacuated" for the duration of the extensive restoration. The amount to be spent is higher than for Buckingham Palace.

The same argument as in the UK (Buckingham Palace is the residence of the Queen, a symbol of monarchy) was used: the Inner Court has been housing Government since 14th C and now it should be emptied for years, displacing hundreds of staff?

Finally the argument was that the restoration will be só disruptive (removal of asbestos, of led pipings, of old wirings, replacing of rotten wooden beams, completely new tiled roofs, security arrangements, exhaustingly precize restoration works to paintings, guilded ornaments, textile wallhangings, etc.) that a continuation of residence would almost double the prize.

Imagine the massive works, the complexity and... be sure that always it will take longer than expected because of "unforeseeable setbacks in the process", with an upward pushing effect to the bill. I hope the wish of the Court to continue the daily use during the restoration will not be a pennywise but poundfoolish choice...
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This has come at an opportune time, the Palace of Westminster seems almost certain to undergo billions of pounds worth of work to keep it from falling down so MPs can't moan too much. Its unfortunate that things have got so bad but realistically there is not other option other than to either do the work or let BP crumble to the ground.
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:12 PM
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IMO it would be more efficient, cheaper and much safer(!) if BP was shut down for the whole renovation.

What realistic alternative is there for BP in London?
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:29 PM
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Whilst I understand the logistics of keeping HM and the "crew" at BP. I just think the renovations would be done quicker and the public would see results quicker if the whole place was shut down and it done in 4 or 5 years not 10.

Whilst the amount of money might not even scratch the surface, in black and white it's a lot of money in this present climate.
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Old 11-18-2016, 03:42 PM
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Really good explanation of the work to be done and why

http://www.macleans.ca/society/bucki...-may-not-know/
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Old 11-18-2016, 04:22 PM
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Whilst I understand the logistics of keeping HM and the "crew" at BP. I just think the renovations would be done quicker and the public would see results quicker if the whole place was shut down and it done in 4 or 5 years not 10.

Whilst the amount of money might not even scratch the surface, in black and white it's a lot of money in this present climate.
It's one of the main reasons why the project will take that amount of time. It's remaining a full-time working home while the project take place.
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Old 11-18-2016, 04:27 PM
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What realistic alternative is there for BP in London?
As a Londoner I seriously CANNOT think of a viable location.. St James' ? {too small], KP?[too small and occupied] Hampton Court ? {too distant, and open to the Public, Lancaster House ? [ FAR too small.] An Hotel [the Ritz, for example] ? Privately owned, so to rent it, would add VASTLY to the cost of the whole exercise...

Others may have other ideas, but 'I'm stumped' !
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Old 11-18-2016, 04:50 PM
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I think it is long overdue to have the Palace repaired - that old adage of "make do and mend" is all very well if you actually do the "mend" bit - something we all too often lack. I did have it in mind for there to be some cosmetic improvements as well but I suppose the repairs will do.
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Old 11-18-2016, 04:53 PM
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They are doing it in sections which will help since the palace is 4 sided around a forecourt. The back section is where the state rooms are.

There isn't a govt office building to stick the various people who work at BP. Renting central London office space would be expensive.

Plus being a Grade 1 building, it adds cost and time.
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Old 11-18-2016, 05:39 PM
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Was there a figure/time scale given if they moved everyone out?

Even if they halved the time, that's still a lot of tourist revenue to forego (and how many people will put off trips to the UK until it's open again?).

Another factor is the tens of thousands of people who would be cheated of the experience of having their investiture at BP, or attending a garden party, etc.

I have to believe that those people were a factor in the decision.

The reality is that extraordinary buildings require extraordinary upkeep.
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Old 11-18-2016, 07:06 PM
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Buckingham Palace renovation: 9 things you may not know - Macleans.ca

This is a great report by a canadian journalist explaining the situation re BP refit. I've pointed UK journos in this direction and some are unhappy. Thats probably because it isnt biased - its balanced pragmatic and honest IMO.

Really worth reading.

Can I add that this isnt about doing work that the public will see - its mainly infrastructure. Its about enable the palace to work in the 21st century. Its reducing risk
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Old 11-18-2016, 07:27 PM
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A major renovation will certainly save money! Lots of money!

Apart from the danger of the whole thing caving in eventually - and that'll be pretty expensive! Not to mention the risk of fire.
It must cost a fortune in heating and electric bills!

I imagine the windows are hopelessly old-fashioned and draughty.
The walls are no doubt not insulated.
That means loads of heat going out the palace every day. Good for the song-birds on cold days but not for the heating bill!

Updating the wiring will not only make the place safer, but safe lots of money as well. Imagine all the low energy-devises that the current sockets and wiring is not designed to cope with.

London as about the same latitude as Berlin and in Germany they have more solar-panels than mushrooms! So a few panels here and there on the roofs will not only safe a little extra money but send out a good signal environmental-wise as well.

A good ventilation system means windows in many places need never be opened. And that's good for security as well. - Without the need for air-condition mind you.

Installing modern toilets and piping alone is enough to save hundreds of liters of water every single day. At the very least!

The heating system. A modern intelligent system will save loads of money every day, simply by lowering and increasing the temperature according to where people are at any given time.

Insulating the roof will with guarantee save serious money! - Alas, the birds will no longer be able to warm the feet...

In ten years BP could be the most energy-efficient palace in the world. easily reducing the costs with 50 % (I'm probably being conservative here).
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Old 11-18-2016, 07:31 PM
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Id just love to project manage this. So exciting
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Old 11-19-2016, 03:52 AM
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As a Londoner I seriously CANNOT think of a viable location.. St James' ? {too small], KP?[too small and occupied] Hampton Court ? {too distant, and open to the Public, Lancaster House ? [ FAR too small.] An Hotel [the Ritz, for example] ? Privately owned, so to rent it, would add VASTLY to the cost of the whole exercise...

Others may have other ideas, but 'I'm stumped' !
Place the staff in empty offices (plenty of these in London) for the duration of the works. For representation the Queen can use Clarence House, St James' Palace, Kensington Palace, Hampton Court and Windsor Castle.

Note that large parts of the year the Queen already uses residences as Windsor, Holyroodhouse, Balmoral and Sandringham anyway.

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In Amsterdam foreign delegations were shocked to see how their heads-of-state would be housed. The French President, M Jacques Chirac, had to use an oldfashioned bathroom with a little radiator heater in a lightplug. The (lukewarm) water came a long way through 19th C led pipings. Wisely the French delegation did opt for a stay in hotels in Amsterdam...

Like in Buckingham Palace also in Amsterdam there are new pipings, new wirings, new technical installations, new High Rendement heating equipments, new elevators, new ventilation systems, improved lighting schemes, completely new kitchens with state-of-the-art appliances, new security equipment. That is what "the public" will never see.

Visible are: new wallhangings, new curtains, new tapestries, cleaned frescoes, freshly applied gold on ornaments, cleaned and repaired chandeliers, refurbished and re-arranged furnitures, etc. The bathrooms and sanitair were updated, as were the guest appartments and guest rooms. The exterior was carefully cleaned. All window panes were replaced. Still the herculean job is not done: now the mighty grand marble hall (Citizens' Hall) will be restored, undoubtedly again for a staggering amount of money...

Morale of the story: works to houses of this scale never stop... My advice to the British friends would be: when you are ready with the works, keep it up-to-date, do not delay necessary maintenance. It will only multiply the ultimate bill.
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Old 11-19-2016, 06:39 AM
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Anyone with a marketing bent could find a way of making recycled souvenirs out of all the bits they take out - pens from pipes, baskets from wire etc. And sell them to tourists with a certificate of authenticity. Not only recycling which would be approved of by Charles, but a massive money saving opportunity which the rest of the Nation would appreciate.....
Possibly an 'Artist/Craftspeople in residence' could make objects or sale, to help obviate the cost ?
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Old 11-19-2016, 06:46 AM
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It will remain a fantasy but it would be wonderful to tear down that awful East Wing (the façade) and restore the open quadrangle structure including the Marble Arch.
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Old 11-19-2016, 06:50 AM
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It will remain a fantasy but it would be wonderful to tear down that awful East Wing (the façade) and restore the open quadrangle structure including the Marble Arch.
I'd like that too.. but it would remove forever the Balcony appearances that are SO much a part of British Royal life..
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Old 11-19-2016, 06:51 AM
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Anyone with a marketing bent could find a way of making recycled souvenirs out of all the bits they take out - pens from pipes, baskets from wire etc. And sell them to tourists with a certificate of authenticity. Not only recycling which would be approved of by Charles, but a massive money saving opportunity which the rest of the Nation would appreciate.....
Possibly an 'Artist/Craftspeople in residence' could make objects or sale, to help obviate the cost ?
The building remains intact. Original stones will be re-used. The "rubbish" will be the old boilers, the led pipings, the rotten wooden beams, the cracked tiles, the rusty pipes, the asbestos plates, the dangerous copper cables with textile covers, the oil-leaking hydraulic lifts, the rusty water tanks, etc.

So I doubt there will be enough to sell as "souvenir" (and I doubt esthetic Charles would like that...). It is not like tearing down the Berlin Wall. It is a renovation, not a demolishion...

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afaik they aren't gonna start with the queen's apartment till 2025-6 when she will be 100 years old although i wish she live till 150 but i think that they are thinking practically that at that point the queen probably won't be there and the prince of wales will just stay in clarence house till they finish so there is no need for the queen to move .
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