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Old 10-25-2006, 04:21 AM
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The Monarchists are plentiful and passionate. The rest don't care and just follow the flag wavers. The Royal Family isn't in any danger for a long time yet.
The former monarchies of Europe lost their existence due to war or revolution or both. As long as no war is coming up with outer forces working against the monarchy and winning this war I see no end to the current monarchies as revolutions are nowhere in sight in Europe and the political systems are pretty stable.

Just imagine what kind of political work over years and years it would take to abolish the monarchy. Then there is always the possibility of legal action against this work of parliament. So it would take a real movement of the majority of the people to get rid of the monarchy - that's the only way. And I simply don't see that in Britain, I'm afraid.

Compared to any politician, even the most unattractive prince would look good because he is not "one of us" but a special breed. So far the British upper class has managed to keep the idea installed in the majority of people that they are something better than the others and the RF is the top of the upper class. As lomg as this view doesn't change, the monarchy is very, very safe. IMHO.
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Old 10-25-2006, 08:17 AM
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the next Coronation will look like Ive heard itll be scaled down but I Hope they keep all the pomp and what not.
When is the next Coronation?
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Old 10-25-2006, 08:45 AM
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When is the next Coronation?
When HM the Queen passes and Charles becomes King. The coronation, itself, normally takes place a year or so later I believe but whether or no that shall happen wth Charles I'm not sure

Could it be sooner if he sought to have it moved forward?
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Old 10-25-2006, 10:06 AM
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The Coronation date is decided by the new Monarch, the Prime Minister and the Archbishop of Cantebury. It may be delayed if Rowan Williams has a druid meeting on the planned day and could even face furthur delays by Tony Blair's wedding to a certain world leader.
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Old 10-25-2006, 07:32 PM
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Charles's reign is a speck of time on the timeline of the universe. Personally I feel it'll be too short to make a difference. It rests on William and I find the boy ghastly and a mistake - BUT if we do lose the monarchy, I shall simply move or declare myself Queen.
Hi Beatrix - I'm curious as to why you find Prince William "ghastly and a mistake". From everything I've read about him he sounds like a mature, well-rounded person. But maybe the press sugar coats everything. So I'm just wondering.
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Old 10-25-2006, 07:39 PM
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Personally, I find him to be a media bunny. He wants to please them but at the same time he tries to say that he loathes them. I find him extremely boring and lazy and he expects us to hail him as a marvellous asset to Britain because he's cuddled a baby at his birth hospital. I know I'm being terribly unfair, cruel and nasty but I don't see this boy as particularly good for Britain. I don't see that he's doing enough and I think that he's got no real purpose in life. He settles for what comes first and it's rather sad. Also, I didn't like the way he told us he wanted to be just like his mother. That was enough to put me off of him for life I'm afraid. So there we are.
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Old 10-25-2006, 07:43 PM
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I think Tony Blair has tried to marginalise the monarchy and detach Britain from its heritage to an extent. If his successor continues down the same road, the monarchy could become quite irrelevant to younger people, and that would make it vulnerable.
I agree and I can't understand why. It's stupid since the Queen has been working since she was in her mid twenties and Blair has only been in office (while for quite some time not as long as the Queen) for some time but he seems to have some irrational hatred of the monarchy and quite a bit of disrespect for the Queen.
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Old 10-25-2006, 08:29 PM
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Personally, I find him to be a media bunny. He wants to please them but at the same time he tries to say that he loathes them. I find him extremely boring and lazy and he expects us to hail him as a marvellous asset to Britain because he's cuddled a baby at his birth hospital. I know I'm being terribly unfair, cruel and nasty but I don't see this boy as particularly good for Britain. I don't see that he's doing enough and I think that he's got no real purpose in life. He settles for what comes first and it's rather sad. Also, I didn't like the way he told us he wanted to be just like his mother. That was enough to put me off of him for life I'm afraid. So there we are.
Oh... I see... thanks.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:04 AM
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Personally, I find him to be a media bunny. He wants to please them but at the same time he tries to say that he loathes them. I find him extremely boring and lazy and he expects us to hail him as a marvellous asset to Britain because he's cuddled a baby at his birth hospital. I know I'm being terribly unfair, cruel and nasty but I don't see this boy as particularly good for Britain. I don't see that he's doing enough and I think that he's got no real purpose in life. He settles for what comes first and it's rather sad. Also, I didn't like the way he told us he wanted to be just like his mother. That was enough to put me off of him for life I'm afraid. So there we are.
I am not a particular Prince William fan. The only person I truly admire in today's monarchy is Her Majesty.

But to say William is a media bunny is inaccurate. He does not court media attention at all. Rather, he is pursued by it because of who he is. I see no evidence that because he cuddled a baby at his birth hospital, he expects to be "hailed as a marvellous asset to Britain". I don't know a huge amount about him but, by all accounts I've read, bar yours, he is regarded as an unassuming young man trying to come to terms with the unique position he holds, both now and in the future. He is just 24 years old and needs to be given a little time to mature and find his own style within the royal family -- one that suits him and the position.

I'm sorry, but you do sound "terribly unfair, cruel and nasty". William is just starting out in royal life -- give him a go.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:18 AM
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50 Years from now I think William will still be king - he will only be 75 afterall.

In 100 years the monarch will be someone not yet born.

Unless something really drastic happens, such as a constitutional crisis pitting monarch against parliament I don't think the British people will get rid of the monarchy.

I don't think they will actually be monarchs of most of the countries overseas though, such as Australia. I suspect that Australia will be a republic within the next 5 - 10 years (as once the current PM retires or is defeated in an election we will have another referendum on the issue and a model will be put to the people that they can agree with). I wouldn't be surprised if the monarch stops being monarch of Australia before the Queen's 60 Jubilee.
I disagree with this. Australian voters rejected republicanism only seven years ago. While I believe one day Australia will become a republic, I also believe there is no serious talk now of abolishing the monarchy during the reign of Queen Elizabeth II -- even by avowed republicans. Australians respect the Queen and have made it plain they do not wish a republic at least until her reign has ended.
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William is just starting out in royal life -- give him a go.
But already he's told us to "Call him William", he wants to be just like his mother and he isn't carrying out any proper engagements. He's more concerned with Kate's bra straps than the Crown and I just see misery and failure where his reign is concerned. Maybe in 10 years he'll have developed a personality and a little spark but at the moment, he's wet.
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...and I just see misery and failure where his reign is concerned.
That'll just give you the excuse to refer to Buckingham Palace as 'Bleak House'.
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Britain's pay around $112 a year for their Monarch, so what's that..around 45 GBP when converting from AUD$ and 59 when converting from US$.

The cost of the Queen has also risen by 4% and now stands at a total of about $68 million (AUD$ conersion = 27,000,00O US$ = 36,000,000 GBP)

http://www.exposay.com/taxpayers-pay...zabeth/v/2455/
I'm just telling you what British people I have spoken to have said. I have no say in supporting the RF as I do not live in England nor am I an English citizen living abroad.
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Bleak House - I like it.
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Old 10-26-2006, 04:44 PM
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I disagree with this. Australian voters rejected republicanism only seven years ago. While I believe one day Australia will become a republic, I also believe there is no serious talk now of abolishing the monarchy during the reign of Queen Elizabeth II -- even by avowed republicans. Australians respect the Queen and have made it plain they do not wish a republic at least until her reign has ended.
Actually Australians didn't reject republicanism as a concept in 1999. They rejected the form of choosing the president of their republic put to them in 1999.

All the polls at the time indicated that Australians wanted to be a republic but did not want that particular model.

When we get a PM who supports a Republic (either Costello or anyone in the Labor Party) I believe it will be back on the agenda and they will put a model to the people that they can and will accept. As we have an election scheduled for next year and Labor are ahead in the polls at the moment it is possible that they will win the next federal election. Some time during that term of three years they will begin the process again. Maybe not immediately but they will do it. It has been Labor Party policy for quite some time now.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:12 PM
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BeatrixFan... William is hardly older than what I am. I think it's too early to say if he'll make a good king or not yet.
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Exactly. And if we can't tell, we assume he'll be ghastly. It's a British thing.
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But already he's told us to "Call him William", he wants to be just like his mother and he isn't carrying out any proper engagements. He's more concerned with Kate's bra straps than the Crown and I just see misery and failure where his reign is concerned. Maybe in 10 years he'll have developed a personality and a little spark but at the moment, he's wet.
Those are fair enough comments. As I said, I don't follow William in the newspapers and couldn't care less about his romances. I will sit up and take interest when he announces "this is the one".

Many of the world's commanding personalities probably weren't that way at his age. He is in a difficult position. If he is too "royal", he will be accused of being out of touch with everyday people. If he is too "down to earth", he will be then judged as unworthy to be the future King of England. I still say give him time. He may never develop an arresting personality but that doesn't mean he won't be a good royal.

His training in the armed forces can only develop him further, in my opinion, and is a good thing. Hopefully, he will have more time for engagements/charities after that.
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Isn't it interesting though that he has time to be Patron of sporting organisations but not children's charities or elder abuse charities?
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(either Costello or anyone in the Labor Party).
The day Uluru is covered in snow is the day Costello will get the job, and thank goodness for that!

A Federal Republic we shall become but not for some years yet, I'm sure.
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