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Old 06-16-2012, 08:59 PM
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I agree, I was beginning to think I was the only one who didn't notice a huge difference in Phillip. To me he looks more or less the same maybe a bit more tired but it's natural after the week he just had.
When you have more experience around older people - especially men at a certain stage of their aging - you start to recognize the signs. Philip has the signs.

He may certainly bounce back - but he is a very old man.

BTW the way people talk about him as being willful is not flattering imo. I don't chuckle at the descriptions. Is that level of orneriness considered laudable? I think it makes him sound foolish and out-of-touch. I have never thought of him that way.

I think he needs to rest from what I saw today. I laud his gameness to do the Trooping - I think he must have done it out of love for his wife - but I think equally that his 'duty' has limits. At his age he is entitled to some quiet downtime - and if he is in a mental state where he has become unreasonable then he should stop to consider the impact his frailty might have on the Queen in public situations. She will have to be concerned about him - as I think she was on the dais today.

I suspect the family is likely more in tune with what is happening than HM's subjects.
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:07 PM
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Is that level of orneriness considered laudable?
I think it might depend on just how serious the concerns are. My great-grandfather lived a pretty independent life up until about age 97, but there was a point when "haha, he's never going to give up his car keys" became "he really needs to give up his car keys." (Thankfully the accident that scared him into agreeing was very minor.)
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:16 PM
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The Duke has never worn a uniform to Trooping the Colour he rides in the carriage with his daughters most often. The Earl wears his uniform on occasions, I believe it's all a matter of personal choice for the event.

At least Andrew is entitled to wear a military uniform.

(I really hate when Edward wears one, knowing it's just an honorary uniform and he didn't earn it. I would much rather he would refrain).
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:48 PM
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At least Andrew is entitled to wear a military uniform.

(I really hate when Edward wears one, knowing it's just an honorary uniform and he didn't earn it. I would much rather he would refrain).
Do you feel the same way about Princess Anne?
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:48 PM
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I wonder why Zara and Peter do not attend anymore, bit disappointing really. Thanks for pointing everyone out, PrincessofEurope (sorry I am unsure of your name, forgive me.) Little Albert was too cute, especially the images of Beatrice pointing things out to him - image

Cute images of Louise and Catherine:

Catherine and Louise, Catherine and Louise and Catherine and Louise.

Catherine and Philip (Louise does that gesture with her hands a lot when looking at this, it must help her sight.)
Thank you for all the pictures. Louise's gesture is more than likely due to her difficulty with focusing. She needs a little telescope, which will give her field restriction that she seems to crave (wonder if her parents and teachers have thought of that, and if not, I could always go over there and share my expertise as a certified teacher for kids with visual impairments [of course I'm being very facetious, and am well aware that my services are more than likely not needed]). I really enjoyed all the pictures/videos of Louise interacting with Catherine, William and her grandparents. She's so alert and seems to love being in the front and center of it all.

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For good reason, I think. Watching Philip I think its very close and the family know it. I am not a sentimental person and I do not cry easily - certainly not for strangers - but I have to admit that there is a lump in my throat and a tear in my eye as I watched Philip doing his 'duty' - most certainly out of love for his wife and his family - and his country. An era is coming to a close.
It's something that I've noticed as well. The poor man is really looking unwell. I'm not trying to be pessimistic or write him off (it's the last thing I want to do, because it'll be very heartbreaking to see him pass on, for so many reasons), but he's not as young as he used to be. The end of the British Royal Family as we know it is coming to an end, and it's very bittersweet. I think everyone's realizing it though. The balcony appearance was more somber, if you will.

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I am dreading the day they announce the death of Prince Philip. It certainly will be the end of an era. What is worse is I think when Philip dies, the Queen may not be long to follow. I do not mean that in a horrible way, I simply mean that it is quite common for couples who have been together as long as they have to follow one another. It's sad, but quite often true.

Thanks for more images, the image of HM, Philip, Louise and Catherine is cute, specifically Louise's big grin.
I agree with you. His Highness is Her Majesty's biggest supporter, her rock, if you will. One reporter on a Russian news station here in the States said that when it comes to official engagements, Her Majesty always has her handbag on her arm and her husband at her side. They share a deep bond, one that is developed through a long life together, and once one of them goes, the other won't be able to last too long. I hope we have some time before that happens, but one never knows.

Louise's big grins were so precious . She's such a little ray of sunshine. And if I might add, she's getting to be a pretty tall young lady.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:00 PM
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great great ceremony!!!! all look perfect! I want to see james in the balcony!!!
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:05 PM
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I agree, I was beginning to think I was the only one who didn't notice a huge difference in Phillip. To me he looks more or less the same maybe a bit more tired but it's natural after the week he just had.
It's only been relatively recently that Philip has seemed a bit frail to me. (I really hate to put "Philip" and "frail" in the same sentence. It doesn't seem right.) But, even so, it didn't seem visibly obvious-to me anyway- that he was struggling to get through an event. Today, he looked like he was having a hard time. His color seemed a good deal worse, his eyes seemed-I don't know- more sunken in, his profile in the carriage was a bit "harrowing", to quote another poster. He looked quite unwell.

I hope he does bounce back. He's a determined man, for sure. I think it is important for people to remain active....to the extent they are able and not over-do it. I suspect that's a tough balance, especially for someone like Philip. I can't imagine sitting at home and watching TV all day every day would be good for him mentally, but he doesn't look up to the kind of schedule he and the Queen usually keep either.

I was just taken aback by his appearance today and was saddened by it. Hopefully, it was an over-reaction on my part.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:17 PM
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I had a cat who had several health scares in her last 5 years. Her last health scare was 15 months before she passed. Just like I never counted my Katie Kittie's days, I'm not counting Philip's. While he does look a little frail, he may have a lot of good years left.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:25 PM
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When you have more experience around older people - especially men at a certain stage of their aging - you start to recognize the signs. Philip has the signs.

He may certainly bounce back - but he is a very old man.
I agree...I worked at a retirement home for a year and when I saw the photos of Philip today, I thought of some of the older men there. The men there could seem to decline overnight. Usually, it was men at a particular age - in their late 80s - early 90s. For some reason, the women seemed to go downhill over a longer period of time; but there were quite a few men who would seem to be in good shape and you'd think they could go on forever - and then quite suddenly, their health would go downhill and they would pass away. In fact, I had a 92 year-old great-uncle who was very healthy and alert until a few weeks ago, when he caught pneumonia and died within a few days.

Hopefully this doesn't sound morbid. It's just that when people are over 90, their bodies are worn out, so when they even catch something as minor as a bladder infection, they can go downhill quickly. Old age catches up to everyone.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:26 PM
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According to the British monarchy website he only has the Garter Ceremony this week - 18th June.

Then the rest of the week to rest but he still has some very busy days and weeks ahead - the programme for Holyrood Week has engagements every day for him - of course some of them might be cancelled or other members of the family stand in for him but until they get to Balmoral in early August there is still a hectic schedule with the Olympics in late July - early August meaning they leave for Balmoral a week or so later than normal.

He has two more planned engagements on 25th June and then into July where there are so far 8 engagements plus Holyrood Week where he has 14 listed engagements, including the installation of The Prince William The Earl of Strathearn as a member of The Order of the Thistle.

So for the rest of June there are 3 already announced engagements and 21 announced in July - but that could change, especially around the end of July as attending the Opening Ceremony of the Olympic Games isn't listed yet and The Queen is to open them (it isn't listed on her July engagements yet either).
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:03 PM
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Balmoral sounds a long way off; I really hope he doesn't meet all these engagements and that workload does get lessened. That seems arduous enough for a person in good condition, let alone a 91-year-old man in frail health just discharged from the hospital.
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Well, if he is as weak and depleted as he appears to be, a schedule like that could be his undoing. I really hope sanity prevails. All this talk of 'being active' until one drops - Phillip can be active plenty - but privately. The consequences to the Queen were he to pass before her will be hard. He should do all he can to take care of himself. Better that he is at home waiting for her than that she should be compelled one day to return to an 'empty palace'.

I don't envy Charles. All of us who have had to deal with the aging parent know what a complex dance it can sometimes be. How much more so for Charles - and his siblings. Once widowed, does the Queen live alone? Do Charles and Camilla move to BP? Does the Queen move to one of her children's homes? Questions....
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:10 PM
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Hi,

I'm not one to having premonitions but at the end of the Regatta, when the rain was pouring down and both The Queen and Prince Philip were still standing there in the damp and cold - I thought that they both would fall ill.....
They should have been inside a glass enclosed, heated area...
Damp & cold and old age don't often go well together. They both looked cold.
And, an English friend of mine texted to me that he saw and heard Sophie Wessex diembarking from her craft and exclaiming, "I'm frozen to the bone!"....

I was not surprised to hear that Prince Philip had a bladder infection, but was surprised that The Queen did not!!!

I guess Philip needs to appear at the Garter ceremony; but since he's not a fan of racing, perhaps he won't attend Royal Ascot....

They both need to rest at Balmoral, although that place never appealed to me as being "warm"......

One last thought:
I hope to heaven that the Prince does not die in this Jubilee year, as the Golden Jubilee was perhaps spioled by The Queen Mother and Princess Margaret dying just before it.
And, I would like Prince Philip to live long enough to see his great grandchild - Will & Kate's baby!!!!!!!!

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Old 06-16-2012, 11:26 PM
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Well he has already seen two great-grandchildren so seeing a third isn't all that important.

As for being warm - one thing we often hear is that The Queen is more likely to encourage people to put on another jumper rather than lay the fires but I do hope that she does splurge a bit and keep the living quarters warm for Philip at this time.
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Old 06-17-2012, 12:51 AM
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Ha!

Well, that's a cold, pompous statement! Disgusting....

So, William and Kate's child is not so inportant, eh???
It's the most important child coming into the Royal Family, whether you like it or not; and probably the one that Philip would like to live to see, whether you like it or not....

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Old 06-17-2012, 01:01 AM
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Generally elderly persons do no go from strong and healthy to being dead within matter or weeks but the discussion lately has Prince Philip with one foot in the grave. The end of life process can easily take 5-10 years even for someone at Prince Philip's age. Let's hope he will be around yet for a long time albeit at a slower pace although for many persons having to slow down is the equivalent of being dead. I work around elderly every day and it is not unusual for someone to go at full speed until the last breath but that is just the way they want to live and die. And probably preferrable to a long and slow decline.
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Old 06-17-2012, 01:05 AM
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Sorry that came out wrong - what I meant was that as he already has seen two great-grandchildren it isn't as important in the sense of missing seeing any great-grandchild. When Autumn was expecting Savannah that was really important - to see the start of the next generation - that is what I meant.

Of course all great-grandchildren would be important to him but none more than any others - so a great-grandchild coming from William wouldn't be more important to Philip than the two great-grandchildren he has from Peter (just as William is no more important a grandchild to him than Peter is, with Peter having the added specialty of being the first grandchild).
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Generally elderly persons do no go from strong and healthy to being dead within matter or weeks but the discussion lately has Prince Philip with one foot in the grave. The end of life process can easily take 5-10 years even for someone at Prince Philip's age. Let's hope he will be around yet for a long time albeit at a slower pace although for many persons having to slow down is the equivalent of being dead. I work around elderly every day and it is not unusual for someone to go at full speed until the last breath but that is just the way they want to live and die. And probably preferrable to a long and slow decline.

My experience of people in the 70s is as you describe it - slow decline, in their 80s somewhat faster once it starts but in the 90s much much faster so someone who is really strong in January can easily be dead by March after one short illness and Philip has now had two within 6 months and looks absolutely awful.

I currently have three friends in their 90s who were all hale and hearty at Easter time and we aren't expecting any of them to survive this winter with only one illness each this year - one aged 90, one 94 and one 98. All have been very healthy and active throughout their lives but to watch their deterioration over the last three months has been heartbreaking.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:22 AM
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What a ridiculous comment!
I really am not insulted, and have every right to think what I do, based on what I see. I do have collection of pics from a book I bought in the car boot sale of trooping of the Color in the 80's, and year after year you can see pss M right besides the queen, closer Than Anne, Andrew, pss Alexandra (a fav cousin of the queen if there ever was one) the late duchess of Gloust. As a teenager I would ak my mum, who is she? That's my impression of her, u can't change it. She does have a lot of attributes, timeless elegance and class being one of them, but she does revel in her HRH, (people have testified) and she does have a tendency to put her foot in her mouth, unlike other minor royals, who do their duty and stay diplomatically silent.
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Balmoral sounds a long way off; I really hope he doesn't meet all these engagements and that workload does get lessened. That seems arduous enough for a person in good condition, let alone a 91-year-old man in frail health just discharged from the hospital.
I think it would be a great idea if Philip were to take a break, and choose a few engagements that he felt were a 'must' and have one of the children or grandchildren stand in for him (if possible of course, since everyone's diaries have been planned for a while). The nan needs to take a breather, because ending up in a hospital, or worse would not be welcomed by anyone.

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Hi,

I'm not one to having premonitions but at the end of the Regatta, when the rain was pouring down and both The Queen and Prince Philip were still standing there in the damp and cold - I thought that they both would fall ill.....
They should have been inside a glass enclosed, heated area...
Damp & cold and old age don't often go well together. They both looked cold.
And, an English friend of mine texted to me that he saw and heard Sophie Wessex diembarking from her craft and exclaiming, "I'm frozen to the bone!"....

I was not surprised to hear that Prince Philip had a bladder infection, but was surprised that The Queen did not!!!

I guess Philip needs to appear at the Garter ceremony; but since he's not a fan of racing, perhaps he won't attend Royal Ascot....

They both need to rest at Balmoral, although that place never appealed to me as being "warm"......

One last thought:
I hope to heaven that the Prince does not die in this Jubilee year, as the Golden Jubilee was perhaps spioled by The Queen Mother and Princess Margaret dying just before it.
And, I would like Prince Philip to live long enough to see his great grandchild - Will & Kate's baby!!!!!!!!

Larry
Skipping Ascot may actually be a good solution, especially if racing is not something he's passionate about (or at least not attend every single day of the race). I cannot see him skipping out on Garter Day though.

While watching the Pageant, I also wondered how Her Majesty and His Highness were able to stand the rain and the wind (it wouldn't have been so bad if they weren't on the water on top of that). I think a top coat (I'm sure one comes with his uniform) would have been a good addition (and yes, I understand the fact that his medals and Orders would not have been visible, but it may have saved him a trip to the hospital), or a glass enclosure on the barge could have been of great help. Like you, I remember Countess of Wessex remarking on being very, very cold during the entire event. I'm glad that they traveled in a closed coach for Trooping the Colour. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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