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Old 08-06-2012, 12:17 AM
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It's because Charles and William are colonels of regiments that take part in the Trooping. I know William is an honorary colonel of the Irish Guards. I can't remember off the top of my head what regiment Charles belongs to. Philip, Anne, and the Duke of Kent are the other three honorary colonels who get to ride on horseback, though Philip chooses these days to ride in a phaeton with the Queen.
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Old 08-06-2012, 01:06 AM
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The ones who ride at the Trooping the Colour are the honourary colonels of the regiments of the Household Guard such as William and the Irish Guards.

Andrew, who is an Honourary Colonel of some regiments doesn't ride because his regiments aren't in the Household Guard.

Edward is the Honourary Colonel of The London Regiment and so rides.
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It's because Charles and William are colonels of regiments that take part in the Trooping. I know William is an honorary colonel of the Irish Guards. I can't remember off the top of my head what regiment Charles belongs to. Philip, Anne, and the Duke of Kent are the other three honorary colonels who get to ride on horseback, though Philip chooses these days to ride in a phaeton with the Queen.
William is honorary colonel of the Irish Guards, Charles the Welsh Guards, the Duke of Kent has the Scots Guards, Prince Philip the Grenadiers and Princess Anne the Blues and Royals.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:36 PM
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Hi I have some questions regarding Princess Royal at Trooping:

1.Why doesnt she ride side-saddle at Trooping? Since the Queen always rode so..But ironically when the Queen herself rode behind the King in 1950, she also rode astride..Only since 1951(she started leading then) she rode sidesaddle.
2.Is it true that Gold Stick will be rotated between different household regiments like Household Cavalry, Lifeguards etc.? Then when will Princess Royal's term ends? When did she start riding at Trooping actually?
3.Are only blood-royals given the crucial Household Colonel ranks? I dont think a Princess of Wales or a monarch's son-in-law can ride behind the sovereign right? Just like at Remembrance..There is strict restriction only for blood royals? DoE also rode since accession. Others are permitted to Balcony..
Because in 1950 and 1951, when Princess Elizabeth rode, Philip DID NOT. He began only in 1952..
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:46 PM
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Similarly, the awarding of highest orders like garter, Thistle also seem only for blood royals, except consorts? It is done that way..
1.Household Colonels (Riding behind Queen)
2.Laying wreath at centanoph
3.Receiving Heads of States
4.Order of Garter/Thistle
All these seem to be exclusively for blood-royals, or consorts.
Have son/Daughters-in-law ever given these chances/honours? I guess not even the Princess of Wales gets these. D-I-Ls maybe Colonel-in-Chief, but for some other regiments I guess..
Princess Alice was given the highesy honour for an 'outsider'- Order of Bath. Nothing more..Can they be given much higher honours if the monarch feels they have done extreme service?
Please share some info on these things..
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:55 PM
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You do not have to be a royal to be appointed a Colonel of one of the Household regiments. Field Marshal Earl Alexander of Tunis, former GG of Canada, was Colonel of the Irish Guards from 1946 until his death
Also you do not need to be a royal to be a KG or KT, infact most of them are not. In the Garter royals are considered Extra knights not regular Kinghts Companion.
I believe Princess Mary's husband the Earl of Harewood used to ride behind the his father in law on parade. Earl Mountbatten of Burma (distantly royal I guess) definitely rode in parades.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:59 PM
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Ok I know about Lord Mountbatten and even Prince of Leichtenstein (The Present Prince's dad) riding behind the Queen. I am asking about the present years. Maybe since the Queen herself has enough kids/grandkids/cousins, she must have restricted them to blood royals.
And what about riding side-saddle? Please read my previous 2 posts.. I have a few questions..
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:01 PM
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Similarly, the awarding of highest orders like garter, Thistle also seem only for blood royals, except consorts? It is done that way..
There are four categories the Order of Garter is awarded in three "categories" - Royal Knights and Ladies, Stranger Knights and Ladies, Knights and Ladies Companion, and Members ex officio.

- Members ex officio are the Sovereign and the Prince of Wales.
- Knights and Ladies Companion are "ordinary", non-royal members.
- Stranger Knights and Ladies are foreign royals (the last Stranger Knight was created in 2001 and is King Harald of Norway)
- Royal Knights and Ladies are members of the British Royal Family by birth (in about 99% of cases) and marriage. Prince Philip has been created a Knight of the Order of Garter as member of the British Royal Family (the Sovereign's consort), and not a born royal: if the latter had been the case, Philip would have been made Stranger Knight.

You are, however, right the Royal Knights and Ladies exclusively consist of British Royals by birth or consorts of the Sovereign. In all the centuries the Order has existed, I am not aware of a single case when a consort of anyone but the Sovereign (or future Sovereign) had been created a Knight or Lady of the Garter.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:02 PM
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Re Garter - here is a link which explains it - not all members are of royal blood

List of current Knights and Ladies of the Garter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:04 PM
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This thread is for the trooping of the colour. There are threads for all your areas of interest and the answers are on the threads. It is confusing if we wander from the thread subject.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:05 PM
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At this years Trooping the Colur, in the end they showed a clip from 38:oo min the Queen at Trooping over the years since her accession. I badly wish someone will make a a separate video of that clip and pit in Youtube. I would have done that, but I dont know.. It will be awesome video..

See from 38:00
Also, the commentator made the silly terrible mistake of calling Lady Louise at the Queen's greatgrand-daughter..at 45:30.
Somehow I am not happy how the commentators are covering royal events, compared to those olden-days guys..They hesitate for a few seconds before even naming the royals, they dont appear sure of their names also..
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:10 PM
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At this years Trooping the Colur, in the end they showed a clip from 38:oo min the Queen at Trooping over the years since her accession. I badly wish someone will make a a separate video of that clip and pit in Youtube. I would have done that, but I dont know.. It will be awesome video..
Hi, Vkrish! Someone already did :

I loved it too when I saw it! It's really well done.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:14 PM
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- Royal Knights and Ladies are members of the British Royal Family by birth (in about 99% of cases) and marriage. Prince Philip has been created a Knight of the Order of Garter as member of the British Royal Family (the Sovereign's consort), and not a born royal: if the latter had been the case, Philip would have been made Stranger Knight.

You are, however, right the Royal Knights and Ladies exclusively consist of British Royals by birth or consorts of the Sovereign. In all the centuries the Order has existed, I am not aware of a single case when a consort of anyone but the Sovereign (or future Sovereign) had been created a Knight or Lady of the Garter.
Ya this is what i wanted. Thanks, Artemisia. If possible please answer my first 2 questions in post 221.
Ok cepe, I wont cross the topic..
And alpa, I am 'delighted' at this video..too bad i missed it
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:17 PM
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I suspect you meant Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg not the Prince of Liechtenstein, but the fact remains that HM can appoint anyone she wants to be Colonel of the regiments when there are vacancies which is what you initially asked.
Philip started riding at trooping of the clour when became Colonel of the Grendiers which was after his wife came to the throne. Before that he was a serving naval officer.
I suppose for riding sidesaddle Anne simply doesn't want to and HM approved since its not a requirement. Probably would be considered terribly old fashioned now anyway.
People other than the royals do lay wreaths at the Cenotaph.....chiefs of defence staff for example.
When heads of state arrive in the UK they are not always greeted by a member of the royal family. Sometimes it is a senior member of the household who brings them to a place where a member of the RF may greet them and then they bring them to where HM can greet them and ride in state to BP or Windsor. During last years Jubilee luncheon it was frequently the Lords Lieutenant of London or Berkshire who were at the airport to greet the foreign monarch and later see them off.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:32 PM
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Hi I have some questions regarding Princess Royal at Trooping:

1.Why doesnt she ride side-saddle at Trooping? Since the Queen always rode so..But ironically when the Queen herself rode behind the King in 1950, she also rode astride..Only since 1951(she started leading then) she rode sidesaddle.
I assume it's because until she personally led the ceremony, she was there just as a daughter of the King and rode as most women back then did - in side-saddle. Once she became the Sovereign, she led the procession and was there as Head of the Armed Forces.

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2.Is it true that Gold Stick will be rotated between different household regiments like Household Cavalry, Lifeguards etc.? Then when will Princess Royal's term ends? When did she start riding at Trooping actually?
Yes, it's true. The position of Gold Stick is rotated on a monthly roster system. The Colonels of the Regiments who do not hold the position in that particular month are called Gold Stick-in-Waiting. The position of Silver Stick used to be rotated as well between lieutenant-colonels; however, now the position is permanently held by the Colonel Commander Household Cavalry.
In this picture, you can actually see the Gold and Silver Sticks-in-Waiting, including Princess Anne, holding their ceremonial sticks.

3.Are only blood-royals given the crucial Household Colonel ranks? I dont think a Princess of Wales or a monarch's son-in-law can ride behind the sovereign right? Just like at Remembrance..There is strict restriction only for blood royals? DoE also rode since accession. Others are permitted to Balcony..[/QUOTE]
Yes and no. All seven septem juncta in uno regiments that form the Household Division have the Queen as their Colonel-in-Chief.

In addition, only royals by birth* are Colonels-in-Chief of Cavalry Regiments (not just British Royals though: King Abdullah of Jordan is Colonel-in-Chief of The Light Dragoon).

The Infantry Regiments have non-royal Colonels-in-Chief: Colonel-in-Chief of The Royal Gibraltar Regiment is the Governor of Gibraltar. In addition, Queen Margrethe of Denmark is Colonels-in-Chief of The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment (Queen's and Royal Hampshires).

The Colonels-in-Chief of Combat Support Regiments are all British Royals by birth.

The Colonels-in-Chief of Combat Service Support are all British Royals - by birth and marriage (Sophie is the Colonel-in-Chief of Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps, while the Duchess of Gloucester is the Colonel-in-Chief of Royal Army Dental Corpse).


* I don't specifically separate Prince Philip because although he is not British Royal by birth, he is the Sovereign's Consort.
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Is 2001 the only year it rained during Trooping I remember seeing a pic long back of the Queen riding on horse-back in heavy rain during Trooping..I wish they could have includud that video in the clip..It would be awespome..Anyways, a great video..never get tired of watching this. I love the background music and commentary also, especially the olden days..
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I assume it's because until she personally led the ceremony, she was there just as a daughter of the King and rode as most women back then did - in side-saddle. Once she became the Sovereign, she led the procession and was there as Head of the Armed Forces.


Yes, it's true. The position of Gold Stick is rotated on a monthly roster system. The Colonels of the Regiments who do not hold the position in that particular month are called Gold Stick-in-Waiting. The position of Silver Stick used to be rotated as well between lieutenant-colonels; however, now the position is permanently held by the Colonel Commander Household Cavalry.
In this picture, you can actually see the Gold and Silver Sticks-in-Waiting, including Princess Anne, holding their ceremonial sticks.

3.Are only blood-royals given the crucial Household Colonel ranks? I dont think a Princess of Wales or a monarch's son-in-law can ride behind the sovereign right? Just like at Remembrance..There is strict restriction only for blood royals? DoE also rode since accession. Others are permitted to Balcony.

Yes and no. All seven septem juncta in uno regiments that form the Household Division have the Queen as their Colonel-in-Chief.

In addition, only royals by birth* are Colonels-in-Chief of Cavalry Regiments (not just British Royals though: King Abdullah of Jordan is Colonel-in-Chief of The Light Dragoon).

The Infantry Regiments have non-royal Colonels-in-Chief: Colonel-in-Chief of The Royal Gibraltar Regiment is the Governor of Gibraltar. In addition, Queen Margrethe of Denmark is Colonels-in-Chief of The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment (Queen's and Royal Hampshires).

The Colonels-in-Chief of Combat Support Regiments are all British Royals by birth.

The Colonels-in-Chief of Combat Service Support are all British Royals - by birth and marriage (Sophie is the Colonel-in-Chief of Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps, while the Duchess of Gloucester is the Colonel-in-Chief of Royal Army Dental Corpse).


* I don't specifically separate Prince Philip because although he is not British Royal by birth, he is the Sovereign's Consort.
Ok, two more questions..
1. Inspite of monthly rotation, Princess Royal always gets the chance of being Gold Stick both at State Opening of parliament and trooping every year..How come?
2.Does that mean non-blood royals (not Queen's consort) can also ride behind if they are appointed as Colonel of a household regime? I know there is no precedence, but she can do it, right?
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Ok, two more questions..
1. Inspite of monthly rotation, Princess Royal always gets the chance of being Gold Stick both at State Opening of parliament and trooping every year..How come?
2.Does that mean non-blood royals (not Queen's consort) can also ride behind if they are appointed as Colonel of a household regime? I know there is no precedence, but she can do it, right?
I'm not sure about the Princess Royal because I hadn't noticed her being the Gold Stick all the time on those occasions. Are you sure she isn't Gold Stick-in-waiting?

As for a Queen Consort riding during the Trooping the Colour ceremony, although it is indeed unprecedented, I don't see why not; as long as she is appointed a Colonel-in-Chief of a Household Regiment in her own right, she should have the option to do so.
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I really don't think we will see Camilla or Catherine riding in the Trooping of the Colour behind Charles & William but will wear the badges of their regiments while escorted in their carriages to Horseguard Parade.
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I really don't think we will see Camilla or Catherine riding in the Trooping of the Colour behind Charles & William but will wear the badges of their regiments while escorted in their carriages to Horseguard Parade.
When I think about it, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Camilla astride a horse should the occasion warrant it. She's an excellent horsewoman and is quite at home on one. Kate, I really would doubt we'd see her as the rumors still circulate that she's allergic to horses and we've yet to see a picture of her astride one. But then again, we could be surprised.
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