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Old 12-12-2014, 03:34 PM
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People I've talked to on Twitter stress the same that when abroad it's the Foreign Office that has the final word and not the BRF.



Come on! Do you really believe that, if the Queen wanted to send a representative to an international event, the FO would dare to say "No"?
I think it is very simple: The BRF wasn´t that close to Fabiola. She was married to a foreign distant cousin from the continent who himself died long ago. May be Fabiola wasn´t "important enough" for some of them to attend: She wasn´t the last Queen of Belgium before the current one, but even predecessor of her! I mean, when was Fabiola´s last contact to the Queen (of Britain), f. instance? Over 20 years ago?

It occurs to me that the BRF only mingles with other Royals when it is absolutely necessary (Prince of Wales seems to be a bit of the exception; he seems to enjoy the company of his continental cousins).
And the younger generation seem to follow that pattern. I remember seeing a photo of Pr. Harry at the London olympics when Princes Daniel and Carl Philip of Sweden greeted him and William (I think it was). While William managed to smile at them politely, Harry´s face spoke volumes: It was somethin´ like "Just get lost, guys! Who are you anyway? Wanne watch the game...!"
Queen Elizabeth was 2007 here in Brussels for a state viisit.. and then she was meet also with Fabiola
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Old 12-12-2014, 03:38 PM
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I can't believe this discussion. The UK was represented by its ambassador. We have been told that no-one was available to attend. We don't know what personal condolences or messages have been sent. And I think "they didn't go to that funeral so we won't go to theirs" is petty and unlikely. There's an awful lot of righteous indignation here...
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Old 12-12-2014, 03:38 PM
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May be Fabiola wasn´t "important enough" for some of them to attend: She wasn´t the last Queen of Belgium before the current one, but even predecessor of her! I mean, when was Fabiola´s last contact to the Queen (of Britain), f. instance? Over 20 years ago?
You really mean that? I don't think Q.Fabiola was really close to the other monarchies either? I find the BFR acting quite disrespectful in this case, sorry. I feel like they feel superior, I don't know... I'm really dissapointed in fact...
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Old 12-12-2014, 03:45 PM
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This abscence has been noticed even more because of the already existant "dettachment" the BRF has in regard to the continental monarchies IMO. And since this a a funeral of a former Queen I see no reason for them not to attend. Period. Also that family is large enough and could find a member, just only one that could be sent there... I'm sure the same would be said if other european royals wouldn't turn up to HM 's (hope this happen in many years) funeral... So I don't see why they shouldn't get some flak for this mishap today...

And I don't think it was a small reaction only coming from this forum as well

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.en...News/1.2179226
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Old 12-12-2014, 03:52 PM
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I can't believe this discussion. The UK was represented by its ambassador. We have been told that no-one was available to attend. We don't know what personal condolences or messages have been sent. And I think "they didn't go to that funeral so we won't go to theirs" is petty and unlikely. There's an awful lot of righteous indignation here...
No one from the extended British royal family was available to fly 27 minutes from London to Brussels and to attend a funeral service? Not one, not the Duke of York, not the Princess Royal, not the Earl of Wessex, not the Duke of Gloucester, not the Duke of Kent, not Prince Michael, not Princess Alexandra, name them all?

Interesting, what an efficiently organized family firm...

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Old 12-12-2014, 04:00 PM
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You know what? When the Queen and Phillip die...all the other monarchies should simply ignore it, or send some very junior person.
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:02 PM
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The non-attendance per se does not surprise me. I hoped that Earl and Countess of Wessex would represent the UK.
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:07 PM
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British royal non-attendance of Fabiola's funeral

I can understand their abscence if they weren't invited or if someone is very ill without our knowledge.
To show up uninvited would be even more disrespectful. But as so many other monarchies were there i simply can't belive that the british royals didn't even got an invitation. If Fabiola really wanted a small funeral all royal houses should have accepted her wishes. Don't belive QEII and DoE didn't like Baudouin and Fabiola.

I hope we'll hear a good explanation from them on why they couldn't even send one member from the royal house.
If not, i guess it's ok for every royal house to send their ambassadors in London to the future funerals of QEII and DoE because no one is "available".
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:13 PM
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I shall be greatly surprised, if the Buckingham Palace produces any explanation.
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:15 PM
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You know what? When the Queen and Phillip die...all the other monarchies should simply ignore it, or send some very junior person.
No, because all the other royals know that good manners and politesse still have a profound meaning for them.

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Old 12-12-2014, 04:15 PM
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I have a question: for a national funeral, Royals have to be invited or it's something that the two Royal offices make arrangements?

For example empress Michiko wants to attend, she will wait until the Japanese Royal Family get an invitation or she tells her staff to contact the Belgian Royal Palace and get her an invitation??
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:18 PM
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This post claims that the British royals could not attend the funeral due to political problems. I wonder what these political problems might be. How serious is the disagreement between the UK and EU?
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:22 PM
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I shall be greatly surprised, if the Buckingham Palace produces any explanation.

Same here but i think they should
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:24 PM
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This post claims that the British royals could not attend the funeral due to political problems. I wonder what these political problems might be. How serious is the squabble between the UK and EU?
I doubt that is about politics.
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:28 PM
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This post claims that the British royals could not attend the funeral due to political problems. I wonder what these political problems might be. How serious is the squabble between the UK and EU?
Seen this rumour on another board too. Apparently some thought that to have members of the BRF in Brussels at the same time and in the same building than the President of the EU Jean Claude Juncker would cause a stir from the UKIP. So The Foreign Office, or even Downing Street, vetoed the presence of the British Royals at the funerals.
Seems a bit far fetched ...
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:37 PM
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You really mean that? I don't think Q.Fabiola was really close to the other monarchies either? I find the BFR acting quite disrespectful in this case, sorry. I feel like they feel superior, I don't know... I'm really dissapointed in fact...


It is not my personal opinion and I put the word important into "...",
but I guess the BRF DOES make differences between Royals and Royals; Elizabeth seems to be close to the greek royal family, possibly because they´re her husband´s relatives and Anne-Marie and Constantine lived many years in London. I know she still telephones with the King regularly.
I also firmly believe if Beatrix dies someday, former Queen Regnant, there´ll also be a british representation. Or Prince Bernhard: long-time friend ("Thursday-club") of Pr. Philip, fought in the brit. army during WW2 and an honorary colonel-in-chief of a british regiment. The same goes for King Harald, whose father was born on the Sandringham estate (Appelton House).
Fabiola was a spanish noble Elizabeth didn´t know before she married the King and after that met for may be 5 or so times. She wasn´t "The" Queen of the Belgians since more than 20 years.

Yes, they could have sent somebody - but they didn´t and that´s that.

The Royals themselves don´t seem to care as they continue to come to Britain when ever there´s a royal event. And my impression is that they enjoy going there!
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:45 PM
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The then Duke and Duchess of Brabant were at the wedding of William and Kate and since then British and Belgium royals have had many joint appearances.

No one is snubbing anyone. Its just ultimately in Britain the FO/Government makes such calls and not the Queen
I doubt if someone from the BRF wanted to go privately, they would have been there. Someone named Windsor should have been there.
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:48 PM
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You know what? When the Queen and Phillip die...all the other monarchies should simply ignore it, or send some very junior person.
Now, now...let's not go overboard. Just tuck this in the back of your mind to remember when the Windsors are being overly praised regarding their sense of decorum and tradition.
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:49 PM
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Are the Belgian royal family offended?
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:50 PM
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I guess the BRF DOES make differences between Royals and Royals;
Well that's a shame. I don't say the queen should have gone to. Someone else would have been perfectly fine. But they send nobody. Period. And that's really unrespectful. They have been queens together, they met. And it's not like the funeral was on the other side of the planet or something. It's one of the closest countries to got to.


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The Royals themselves don´t seem to care as they continue to come to Britain when ever there´s a royal event. And my impression is that they enjoy going there!
It's not because some are not respectful, that everyone should be. Royals are not babies anymore, they can handle dissapointment. And I don't feel like the have much more pleasure going to Britain than in other countries...
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