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Old 02-14-2008, 06:30 PM
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But the EU isn't a state. There isn't an EU president, countries take turns to hold the EU presidency. We're talking about the President of the Council of Europe which isn't a Head of State position. It's confusing but thats how I read it.
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:39 PM
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For now yes, but with the EU Constitution there will be an elected President of The European Council that will hold the position for a two and a half year term. The President would not replace the Head of State of any country but at official functions would take precedence over them. As far as the EU not being a state, I have been told many times that if it is not a state then what exactly are we citizens off? Honestly who know what they are really up!
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:45 PM
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Well, we're citizens of Europe the continent but not the state. Or at least thats how I understand it. The Treaty of Lisbon doesn't give the President of the Council of Europe precedence over reigning Heads of State though.
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:59 PM
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No we are citizens of The European Union, not the continent of Europe. While the President of The European Council will not replace the Head of State in any country and while the Queen/King of Great Britain will be the Head of State till she/he passes or the people decide it is time for a republic, the Queen is a citizen of The European Union and as a citizen the Head of the European Union would technically take precedence over her at official European Union functions. It’s like you’re a citizen of the UK and as she is the Head of State, she therefore, of course, takes precedence over you in official functions. I don’t think I am explaining what I mean very well.
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:11 PM
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But the European Union is an organisation, we can't be citizens of an organisation surely? I mean, we're not UN citizens.
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:33 PM
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The UN is a completely different thing from the EU. The EU is an economic and political union, it has a central bank, a common currency (well almost), a foreign policy, a security policy, courts of justice. A barrier-free market for products and the free movement between member states for its citizens. It represents its member states at the WTO, The UN and at G8 summits. It has its own parliament, to which we elect members. Soon it will have its own constitution. We are most definitely citizens of The EU. People from Norway and Switzerland, for example, are not citizens of the EU are they are not member states.
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:49 PM
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I've always thought a Queen outranks a President. I don't think she's subordinate to the President of the European Council because it's a legislative body within an organisation. Surely he's of a similar rank as the UN Secretary General?
I would agree, if not rank that way, but fawning. When any RH comes over to America, we immediately let them take precedence, not only because they are our guests, but because we are in awe of them.
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Old 02-22-2008, 01:10 PM
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The UN is a completely different thing from the EU. The EU is an economic and political union, it has a central bank, a common currency (well almost), a foreign policy, a security policy, courts of justice. A barrier-free market for products and the free movement between member states for its citizens. It represents its member states at the WTO, The UN and at G8 summits. It has its own parliament, to which we elect members. Soon it will have its own constitution. We are most definitely citizens of The EU. People from Norway and Switzerland, for example, are not citizens of the EU are they are not member states.
I always thought I was a citizen of Europe with representation at the EU via the parliament?
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No, you are European in the sense that you are a citizen of a country in Europe, but along with the citizens of the 27 member states of the European Union you are also an EU citizen. There are over 700 million Europeans and approximately 500 million of those are citizens of the EU.
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Old 02-22-2008, 02:12 PM
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I always thought I was a citizen of Europe with representation at the EU via the parliament?
Yes, you are. But I don't agree with what Amelia said that soon E.U. will have a constitution, because that legally is impossible, since E.U. is not a country or a federal state and not even an international organization, if you want to is a 'sui generis' international organization, but we will see what people choose, if the E.U. countries give us the oppurtunity to vote a Constituition, as it was already voted and failed by the people in France and Netherlands.
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Well, an organisation can have a constitution. The latest treaty to be signed was the Treaty of Lisbon which alot of people claim is the EU constitution that was rejected. Thats not quite true. What's happening at the moment is each national parliament is ratifying the treaty which their representative signed in Portugal.
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The Treaty of Lisbon contains mainly the same things as the proposed constitution, they did drop certain things but many of the main points remain the same. There are certain opt-out options for some states that weren’t in the proposed constitution but really there is very little difference between the two and unlike the constitution the only country holding a referendum regarding it, as far as I’m aware, is Ireland so it will more than likely have no problems like the constitution did.
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Well, a referendum isn't needed in most countries. For example, in Britain it will go through the House of Commons, Lords and then recieve Royal Assent. We won't have a referendum because we voted our representatives into the Commons so that they vote for us. It's interesting that, though it was the Prime Minister who signed the Treaty, it's the Queen who effectively enacts it for Britain.
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It will have to go through the Senate and the Dail in Ireland as well as the referendum but I don’t think that they foresee any major problem. As regards the Queen, I have seen a lot of calls from people for her to refuse to do so, can she? Or is it just a matter of procedure that she does so?
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Technically, she can refuse but if the Commons pass it by any means (including the parliament act) then she has to. If she didn't, she'd be going against her parliament and that'd mean parliament would have to be dissolved and a referendum/election held.
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I guess she'll be signing then!!
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The Queen and Greece

Excuse me for this question but why it seems to have still a major problem btw the British Royals and eventual visits from or to Greek officials. I understand that links btw British and Greek royals are particulary close but Constantine and Anne-Marie are now allowed to stay in Greece, Queen Sofia made several visits too and even Queen Margrethe made a state visit some years ago and received the Greek president this year.
Why the Queen, and of course the DOE, seem to be so reluctant about a visit to Greece: the 1967 (or 1974) events aren't forgotten? (or maybe they didn't forgive to have been booed during the 1963 greek state visit )

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She hasn't made another state visit to Greece because the Foreign Office hasn't deemed it necessary.
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What interest would she have in visiting Greece? It's not a part of the Commonwealth. I think at her age she'll be very selective as to what other countries she visits.
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Old 07-29-2009, 06:16 AM
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She hasn't made another state visit to Greece
Well the fact is she hasn't pay a state visit to greece at all in 50 years (as the Republic of Ireland and Israël but for other reasons...)

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Well thankfully the Queen visits sometimes some countries outside the Commonwealth .
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