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Old 05-06-2006, 07:04 AM
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Not appearing at the Swedish birthday doesn't really count as an aspect of royal life crucial to Britain and the Commonwealth.
No, it´s about honour our King since 33 years by attending the party when he, the head of state (Sweden), celebrated his sixith anniversary. For me it´s a question of etiquette and behavior. Of course BRF can do as they like to do, but I do think a representative from the BRF would have been very welcome.
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Old 05-06-2006, 08:51 AM
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What counts is the services Her Majesty and the family perform at home and in the Commonwealth. Not appearing at the Swedish birthday doesn't really count as an aspect of royal life crucial to Britain and the Commonwealth.
I think the royal family does a brilliant job of representing the UK wherever they go. :)
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Old 05-06-2006, 01:57 PM
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A simple question then, do you like all of the people you know in the same social class as yourself and would you associate with them purely because they are from that class?

The Windsors and any family have the right to decide who they wish to mix with and who they don't.

At the moment I believe they are still reflecting the view of the Europeans that many of their subjects have, that we do not want closer ties.
I do go to events where I don't particularly like the people and I don't necessarily want to go because it's considered appropriate.

I think we all have been to some of those. I doubt if everybody who went to CGs birthday party were really fond of the man or were looking forward to a good time, some probably went because it was considered the right thing to do.

Public figures like the royals don't always have the luxury to turn down an event just because they don't feel like it or they don't like a person.

I think you may be right in that the Queen is following public sentiment. What interests me is that while the Queen has placed a great care in maintaining the traditional ties to the Commonwealth, the results haven't really panned out; those ties seem to be shrinking despite her best efforts whereas ties with other members of the European Union are looking stronger regardless of whether people like each other or not.
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Old 05-06-2006, 04:38 PM
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I do go to events where I don't particularly like the people and I don't necessarily want to go because it's considered appropriate.

I think we all have been to some of those. I doubt if everybody who went to CGs birthday party were really fond of the man or were looking forward to a good time, some probably went because it was considered the right thing to do.

Public figures like the royals don't always have the luxury to turn down an event just because they don't feel like it or they don't like a person.

I think you may be right in that the Queen is following public sentiment. What interests me is that while the Queen has placed a great care in maintaining the traditional ties to the Commonwealth, the results haven't really panned out; those ties seem to be shrinking despite her best efforts whereas ties with other members of the European Union are looking stronger regardless of whether people like each other or not.
Exactly in my point of view, ysbel! You have to see Your neighbours almost every day even if You don´t feel like it or don't like them. You must be in staff meetings among people You don´t feel companionable about. There are traditions to follow everywere! Commoner or Royalty - we all have to consider what´s the right thing to do.

The traditional ties to the Commonwealth has gone down the pan! It seem to be necessary measures, in any case for the British, taking consideration of the disadvantages repudiation of the majority and in the future, perhaps, being outsiders. Fact is: There isn´t even a translation for "the Commonwealth" in a moder n dictionary of 2006. But You can find facts in a history book...
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The Commonwealth of Nations is probably on it's way out, but that has more to do with the organization's inability to equalize standards of living among it's members than anything the British have done. Unfortunately, there's a division in the group that splits down racial lines (it's been referred to as the White Commonwealth and the Black Commonwealth, roughly equating to the developed world and the developing world).

The ties to Commonwealth nations aren't fading, though. The Queen is still highly thought of throughout the Commonwealth, even among the republics and the soon-to-be republics.

I don't think the British mind the idea of being outsiders when the club is the EU. You rarely hear the Brits say much of anything nice about the EU and many people have said they'd like to leave it. British nationalism -- the isolation that inevitably comes from being an island nation with a long, and storied past, seems to play a large role in why the Windsors are so keen to play down their continental links. After Diana died, the Windsors were derided as being krauts are Germans again -- those links are something that is used to attack the monarchy all the time.
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After Diana died, the Windsors were derided as being krauts are Germans again -- those links are something that is used to attack the monarchy all the time.
That's interesting, kelly. I indeed remember the Earl Spencer's speech which was IMHO in very bad taste. As if the Windsors hadn't been in England for almost 300 years! No wonder the English royals want to play the ties down if people attack them for it.
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Diana's own stepgrandmother, Barbara Cartland, went public calling the family krauts. Obviously, she chose to ignore the fact that her stepgreatgrandsons are part of the family she was deriding.

The family's german roots are always been brought up in criticisms of the monarchy. You'd think the Scots Queen Mum and English Diana never existed.
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Old 05-07-2006, 04:02 AM
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GB as a nation, in full parliamentary democracy , have decided that "the club" is EU, an "joind that club", so what the BRF imagine personally is not an important matter. There are no royal power so the BRF are forced to represent the majority of the British people.
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Old 05-07-2006, 06:32 AM
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I think you may be right in that the Queen is following public sentiment. What interests me is that while the Queen has placed a great care in maintaining the traditional ties to the Commonwealth, the results haven't really panned out; those ties seem to be shrinking despite her best efforts whereas ties with other members of the European Union are looking stronger regardless of whether people like each other or not.
The ties with Europe are not at all strong, the ties with the commonwealth countries (whether in or out) will be in everyones minds for a very long time and will remain strongest. We have done so much together and that can't be dismissed, there is a real history between us. Some may want to think we are close to Europe but, that is according to polls and IMO, a myth.

It is sad that the Swedes have been so upset by this matter, (that shows how different we are, as it wouldn't be noticed by the British) but, we do not know what the reasons were and it seems wrong to judge someone before knowing all the facts.

The Windsors are, IMO, still thought highly of in Europe, if the amount of European tourists coming over for events that they are going to be at, is anything to go by.
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Krauts? If they are foreigneners, then as I see it they're mostly Dane.
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Talking of 'krauts', a german royal recently died and on the 5th of May there was a memorial service for the late Prince Georg-Wilhelm of Hannover, brother-in-law to the Duke of Edinburgh (he was married to Princess Sophie of Greece & Denmark). The Queen of Spain, King Constantine II, Ernst-August and Caroline of Hannover, the Markgrave and Markgravine of Baden (among others) attended their uncles service, but again...no Windsors.
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I'm amazed that the word 'kraut' has been used so many times. If Angela Merkel (Angular Mirkin) reads these forums then we're for it.
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As long as we're just reporting what's been verified about things other people have said and not lapsing into that sort of insulting slang ourselves, that's fine by the board admins. Angela Merkel will just have to put up with it.
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Talking of 'krauts', a german royal recently died and on the 5th of May there was a memorial service for the late Prince Georg-Wilhelm of Hannover, brother-in-law to the Duke of Edinburgh (he was married to Princess Sophie of Greece & Denmark). The Queen of Spain, King Constantine II, Ernst-August and Caroline of Hannover, the Markgrave and Markgravine of Baden (among others) attended their uncles service, but again...no Windsors.
When Sophie died, Philip was asked not to attend because the family didn't want to deal with the press. This may be the same situation here whereby the Windsors skipped because the family asked them not to.
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And I doubt the Queen would enjoy attending a do where Ernst August of Hanover was present.
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Well, the Margrave of Baden was sent to the service as the Windsors' representative, so I think age and a lack of familial closeness (Philip's German cousins led to a lot of criticism about the family's Germanic background so some distance was placed between the Windsors and the German cousins) may have also played a part in his non-attendance.
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And I doubt the Queen would enjoy attending a do where Ernst August of Hanover was present.
The Queen wouldn't attend anyhow.lol.

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For me calling the Windsors "krauts" is not funny as they are no Germans. To denounce them as such means to ignore a very fundamental thing in the British monarchy: the right of female inheritance. Thus it is not a nationalistic remark, but a anti-female onel.

Only because the line of inheritance went via Elizabeth Stuart and her daughter Sophie and then via Victoria and all threee ladies were married to Germans does not make the family German. When the British parliament decided that the descendants of the half-Briton Electress Sophia should rule, they accepted her as being as British as most other monarchs had been: Maria Stuart was the daughter of a French "de Guise"-Princess, thus James I. was only halb English, a quarter Scottish and a quarter French. He married Anne of Denmark... How "British" was Charles I. who himself married a French Princess?

So in my opinion the argument that the Windsors are "Germans" shows me an inner unfairness towards women as head of a Royal house: as if nationality could only come from the father's side. Then, alas, Prince Charles would be Greek/Danish rather then British. And who ever said that?
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Personally I think it's a big shame that the BRF doesn't interact more with other European Royals and doesn't maintain close relationships.

I think the main reason for this though is because the BRF reflects a superior attitude that is prevalent in much of Britain. I think there are still a vast majority of people here who think we're better than everyone else in Europe and don't need them and it's an attitude that is reflected in the Royal Family.

However, times have changed and within the next 50years or so I can see many of the European Royals facing a tough time and feel that we'll only find ourselves more alienated if we continue with this isolationist stance.
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