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Why not. They would have no one to marry, if not. And their gene pool would be very compromised.
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:50 PM
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And still be allowed their title?
If you mean morganatic marriage, it has never clearly existed in the BRF. They were always allowed to marry commoners, and they received titles.
Check out this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morganatic_marriage
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:01 PM
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And indeed, several British Royals did marry commoners. Four of Henry VIII's wives (Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, Katherine Howard and Katherine Parr) were commoners, as were Anne Hyde (wife of the future James II and mother of Mary II and Queen Anne), Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, Lady Diana Spencer, Camilla Parker Bowles and Catherine Middleton. And those are the ladies who married Heirs (Presumptive or Apparent).

In regards to other countries where morganatic marriages existed and laws stipulated only royal-royal or royal-noble marriages were equal, then the answer is quite simple: laws were changed.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:18 PM
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Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon and Lady Diana Spencer, although commoners under British law, are from illustrious families.

I'm not a huge Diana fan but there is no denying the Spencer-Churchills can be ranked with many of the royal, ducal and princely families on the continent in terms of wealth and prestige
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:25 PM
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Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard's families were every bit as illustrious as Diana's (arguably, more so). I am a Diana fan but she was hardly the most illustrious commoner to marry into the British Royal Family.

Although Camilla Shand, Anne Hyde and Catherine Parr had no courtesy styles, they came from families as noble and/or aristocratic as Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon's.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:33 PM
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Camilla's family is as noble/aristocratic as the Bowes-Lyon? I didn't know that.
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Camilla's family is as noble/aristocratic as the Bowes-Lyon? I didn't know that.
Have a look at Camilla's ancestry and that of the Queen Mother's; I'd say they are very similar, especially if you go further up the family trees.
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Wasn't the first commoner to marry into the English royal family Elizabeth Woodville?
Also to answer the question, laws had to be changed because there are less royals now then there was a century ago. You either let them marry commoners or have your house become extinct.
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Wasn't the first commoner to marry into the English royal family Elizabeth Woodville?
Elizabeth Woodville was the very first commoner to marry an English Monarch. However, she was most definitely not the first to marry into the English Royal Family; before her, several English Princes and Princesses marrying commoners, including John of Gaunt who married Katherine Swynford.
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Remember in the United Kingdom, Prince Harry and Princess Anne are commoners. This definition is different from most of the continent

So the question of "Why can royals marry commoners now" has to be taken in context.
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Indeed. Britain's traditions are quite a bit different than the Continent. The Peerage traditionally held great power and wealth, sometimes more than the Crown, and they did not necessarily view a marriage into the royal family as anything special, especially after 1714 when the "foreigners" arrived from Germany and basically married other Germans for over a century.
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Because all one needs to do is look at what happened to the Spanish royal family in the 1700s to see how inbreeding is a dangerous, dangerous thing. You need fresh blood to dilute the gene pool, otherwise you have uncles marrying nieces, first cousins marrying each other....it's a genetic disaster.
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IMO That Everything in the beginning is difficult and complicated ,, But then after long years pass become different & easiest ,,,, For example The Traditions in the past was very Fanatic But after years later everything changed , And that changing because of New Generations , New generations mean new brains new views , which is impossible to accept and agree with old opinions !!! ,,, also same with Religions in the begining was completely different than now ,,, so you cannot compare the life in 1700 & oldest with now Or before 40 years ,, everything was different !!!
so with royalty same ,,, Must cope with new ideas and new generations ,, otherwise no royal family still till now , till twenty-first century .
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The Royal Houses must adapt to stay relevant because they serve at the pleasure of the people. If Prince X found his true love at school and was unable to marry her, there would be a fakeness to the whole system now that wouldn't be tolerated. We know more now about their personal lives (for better or worse) and nobody has a desire to see fake arranged marriages.
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Actually, Edward the Confessor King of England married a "commoner" in 1045. His wife was Edith of Wessex, daughter of Godwin Earl of Wessex.
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Let's face it, how many Royals are left?
Not nearly as many as there used to be.

And Royals who are the right age and the right religion? It would be difficult to find a match!
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There are not a lot of reigning royals left but there are still lots of royals left - in Germany for instance.
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:18 PM
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The socio-economics of today are much different than 100 years ago. While it would be important for any royal to marry someone who would be a asset to the family and who would not be an embarrassment to them, that person doesn't necessarily have to come from wealth or be wealthy. What's on paper sometimes is a lot different than what is reality.
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I like royal brides who do not have family money of any consequence. Like Tessy. Now that is a REAL romance, even though some may call it clouded by the pre-marriage birth of Gabriel. It's possible that Stephanie did not have much money of her own either.
Tessy comes from the "common" people of her own country. And the royals have enough grace and sense to say "welcome", and use her princessly talents.

Of course there are others--Mary of Denmark, for instance.
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There are not a lot of reigning royals left but there are still lots of royals left - in Germany for instance.

If they're not reigning then they're not royal, imo. They are just more aristocrats.
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