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Old 08-10-2017, 09:31 PM
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I realize this is the DM and the hyperbole is huge, but I really would welcome the various royal staffs working together and being professional. I have a personal issue with the inability of the events offices to work together, provide advance notice and timely CC reports. The results look haphazard and uncaring and IMHO show pettiness. The back office power plays make an otherwise effective royal operation look cloddish, ancient and silly.
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The CC is timely in the print media as it has been for centuries which as the main people the CC is meant for means - the British public - do have daily access if they choose to look for it. It is only the people overseas who rely on the online CC who are affected and most of them aren't an issue as the events don't concern them in any way.

It is only the online CC that fails.

Traditionally the office of the monarch and the office of the heir have never worked together.

Announcing engagements in advance varies for a number of reasons - security amongst them - along with the number of different offices.

There is BP, CH, KP and then there is Andrew who also never announces his engagements in advance and yet does more than anyone other than his older siblings.
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:17 PM
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It seems like the offices are teaming up together now though.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:47 PM
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They tried that in 2014 and failed as the three offices, and their principles, didn't get along.

Andrew's office is separate again so not even included in this second go at trying to bring them together.

IF the principles don't agree then it won't be happening.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:07 AM
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I used to think the Cambridge's and Harry would've had their own websites, but they're now all together on the Monarchy website. With re-organization going on, the offices have to work together.
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Old 08-11-2017, 01:28 AM
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They don't have to work together at all. If someone wants to go it alone they can and will e.g. Andrew

William and Harry didn't want to join offices 3 years ago so why would they want to do so now?

This 'reorganisation' may very well be more a shuffling of the chairs rather than any real sense of one office running things at all - given the size of the staffs if would almost be unworkable in one office anyway.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:41 AM
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:54 AM
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I don't think for one minute any one is expecting a complete "one office" approach from the different Households but I think they can and should have a more unified approach to what they do. A lot of the articles point out that various PR moves have been made - e.g. Harry's letter to the press about his girlfriend - while another senior royal is out and about doing something important. Quite frankly, its just good business to ensure one part of any organisation does not take focus away from another at important times/events.

The fact is, the Queen will not live for ever - it makes sense IMO for there to be a co-ordinated approach and staffing at a senior level now as within the next 10-15 years we will have a new King and new Prince of Wales, so does it not make sense for them to work together so its easier and smoother when they all take on their new roles?
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Old 08-19-2017, 03:27 AM
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yet another change within brf staff ...
Prince Charles loses right-hand man after other departures | Daily Mail Online
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Old 08-19-2017, 03:42 AM
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Clearly, the press wasn't ready for such changes within the royal households staff.
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:16 PM
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"The Queen’s most senior courtier was forced out in a power struggle between Buckingham Palace and the Prince of Wales, The Times can reveal. Sir Christopher Geidt, the Queen’s private secretary, left his post in July after complaints by the prince and his brother, the Duke of York, sources said."

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Old 09-15-2017, 07:08 PM
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:38 PM
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This is not a very attractive look for the BRF.
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:40 PM
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I think we all have to say "Tabloids" or "DM" and remember that any of the people involved in this reshuffle know better than to trash talk the BRF. It is the fastest way to become persona no grata in the upper eschelons of power and the social circles they live in themselves.

Logically speaking, if a Private Secretary is asking HM to choose between he and her son the answer is a no-brainer which is why I doubt the rumour. Having served HM for 14 years he knows whats what.

However, because of HM's longevity, I think some of her staff may be a little proprietary about access to her, etc. which is an absolute necessity if she is to lighten her load to PoW and enable her to spend more time with her husband.

BP ways are not CH ways and it is again, a no-brainer to rein in KP. The aforementioned clash of events speak for themselves. I also think that KP needs to act in concert with the rest of the BRF to ensure a continuity of standards.
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:43 AM
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It was a surprising announcement so I am not surprised there is discussion or rumour about why he left. As for how much of it is true, only a handful of people will ever really know.
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:54 AM
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Who knows what's true but I have a feeling it could be. I could see there being a sort of infighting. There are a few ego's involved
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:14 AM
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I read the Times article in the actual print newspaper while I was out this morning. A couple of points I picked from it:

Firstly its not just a small article its on their front page, three other pages (some of which is more about 'Charles taking over') and mentioned in the opinion section.

Charles and Andrew basically teamed up and insisted Sir Christopher was told to go, the Queen ultimately agreed to this.

Basically, Charles felt Sir Christopher was getting in the way of him having a more "king-in-waiting" role, Charles apparently wants to appear at more events with the Queen such as the Maundy service so people are use to seeing him at such things.


It says Samantha Cohen did resign in solidarity with Sir Christopher but was persuaded by the Queen to stay until after the Commonwealth summit in London

It says Charles' staff were unhappy with Sir Christopher announcing Philip's retirement, the lack of consultation about it and the fact he seemed to go 'above his station' in their eyes. This was duly reported back to Charles.

Andrew and Charles may get on better than often reported and Andrew it seems saw this as an opportunity to get rid of someone who he blames for making him give up his Trade Envoy role and for denying him use of helicopters and jets "...as often as Andrew would like".

The Queen apparently gave into her sons' request for him to go because at 91 she would "rather have a quiet life".

Kensington Palace sources are said to have made it clear they liked Sir Christopher and "admired him as a public servant" who was well respected. These sources made it clear KP had nothing to do with his 'ousting'.

Apparently the Queen is said to dislike how friendly and close the younger royals at KP are with their staff.

The Lord Chamberlain told Sir Christopher his position was untenable. Earl Peel just happens to be close to Charles, who had recommended him for the job of Lord Chamberlain.

All eyes will be on the New Year's honours list to see if Sir Christopher gets the traditional retirement peerage.



Personally as much as I want to take this with a pinch of salt this is the Times not just a gossipy tabloid and I always had the impression that Sir Christopher would be with the Queen until the end of her reign. His most recent Honour talked about services to planing a transition into a new reign so I am personally surprised he walked away before that change took place. He is still relatively young and seemed very good at his job so this would certainly explain why he left his post.
To me it reflects poorly on Charles if he did play a role in this, Sir Christopher was the person who flew over a few years ago to meet the Australian PM purely to convince her to support Charles as the next Head of the Commonwealth so to pay him back in such a manner would be unfair. Sir Christopher seemed to be the one wanting to unite the households and in doing so Charles could easily have had a role like he wanted, at the Queen's side yet he seemed insistent on doing so while still keeping his own staff in the way he always has - i.e. he wants a bigger role at the Queen's side but won't change how he and his staff operate - a bit of "wanting his cake and eating it". IMO it reflects poorly on Charles and what his reign may bring.

Edit - this article is pretty much word for word the Times article (which is behind a pay wall) so everyone should be able to read this version http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...ee733cced0bbdc
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:42 AM
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There's always "palace intrigue" going on behind the scenes. It's going on in the White House too.

The truth is that the royal family are going through a transition and, with that, palace staff go through their usual drama.
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Old 09-16-2017, 12:56 PM
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Rare joint statement from the three Royal Households

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Old 09-16-2017, 01:11 PM
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Thank you for that most interesting summing up of the Times article, tommy. It is indeed illuminating, and in my view does not show Charles in a very good light at all. To insist on the resignation of a man who has served your mother loyally and well because he seems to have got above himself (what are we living in, the 1850's?) is both petty and wrong, IMO. As for Andrew....!

It certainly shines a rather unsalubrious light on what goes on behind the scenes.
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On the other hand, here is a different thought. Sir Christopher has been used to running things at BP. But with Philip's retirement, other royals will need to step in--perhaps Sir Christopher thought he would now run everything in all the households but Charles and his staff disagreed. And rather than having to work with/coordinate with CH and KP instead of running everything, Sir Christopher resigned.
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