Beatrice and Eugenie are Grandaughters not 'in-laws'..
Guys, Catherine will gain 3 Royal Family Order's; Elizabeth II, Charles III, and William V.
She will also likely get GCVO and Order of the Garter - she wont be short on orders/honours in her lifetime. Even if she doesn't receive the Elizabeth II order, she will have two orders to pin on her dresses when she needs to wear them.
It's likely that Anne, Camilla and Sophie will all receive the Charles III order at some point too, so all the women get their share of badges and such; they aren't short on things to wear to state banquets.
I would like to think that the Queen has given her grand-daughters the family order, even if they will never actually be seen wearing them, except perhaps at her funeral if it's appropriate?
Does anyone know if Beatrice, Eugnie, Zara (and Louise) have the Diamond Jubilee medal? Did the male grandchildren receive the medal? I know we've seen William and Harry wearing it but do Peter and James also receive it?
One thing I think we do have to keep in mind also that it is very possible Kate does have the RFO already and just wasn't wearing it for that state dinner. Its possible.
That is a good question. Red means I am not sure (from pictures) they received one.
George V's royal granddaughters (in law):
Birgitte van Deurs (spouse to Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester)
Hon. Katharine Worsley (spouse to Prince Edward, Duke of Kent)
Marie-Christine Freiin von Reibnitz (spouse to Prince Michael of Kent)
It's not about wanting Catherine to have the order now. It's just I know the window of her getting the RFO is now open giving the amount of time she's been a senior working royal. 4 to nearly 5 years is pretty much the mark.
I agree with this. But am I the only one that realizes that the Queen might not have all the time in the world to wait with giving out orders? I mean... if I was the Queen I would rather be safe than sorry and give it now. But I guess I'm not the Queen and I do see the points people are making, and it's soley the Queens choice. But it would just be a little sad if Kate ended up without it.I'm sorry but I cant agree. If you have this honour then you wear it. And you certainly wear it at a State Banquet.
It would be insulting to HMQ not to wear it.
Catherine will get it without a doubt.
It seems to me that lots of "fans" want the young royals to have everything NOW!! HMQ doesn't work like that. She does reward hard work or special efforts. She knows that Charles will want to give the Garter to Harry, but she commends him for his Invictus work another way. She commends Catherine by the loan of personal jewels.
How she does it is her decision as Sovereign. And as a Brit I have to say that criticising her in comparison to other RFs I find appalling. All credit to Marg in her earlier post which sums up how I feel.
I don't believe Catherine is a "senior working royal". She is a senior royal yes, in terms of precedence and such, but she is not a full time working royal. Her number of engagements reflect this. Yes she is technically on "maternity leave", however during the years she was not pregnant she was not a full time working royal. The RFO is given to "full time working royals" of which Catherine is not. Although she's been married for nearly 5 years and provided 2 heirs, that does not make her a full time royal. Sophie had been married for 5 years, gave the Queen a grandchild and she only received her RFO two years after become a full time royal.
I am not disputing that Catherine does not work; all I am saying is there's more to it than just being married and providing heirs.
I don't think it would take long to make a new one for Kate. They're only small. One of HM's people would just have to make a phone call and some artist would be able to paint one within a week, I would think. It could probably be done by computer within a day, though I like to think it would be done by hand.
I don't like the idea of Kate being given Diana's old one. She should get one of her own, not another of Diana's hand-me-downs. And it would have been on ivory, anyway, so it's a no-no.
[...] I also believe it was the Queen who suggested that Catherine not wear it to the State Banquet [...]
[...] HM loaned her wedding bracelet as a public display of support and acceptance of Catherine within the family. [...]
Dman, I feel like you're setting yourself up for disappointment here.
There is no official "requirements" for the RFO, at least not beyond being a member of the BRF. However, we can kind of look at the different circumstances under which the Queen has given out the RFO before and make assumptions about when she chooses to give it out.
The best example for this is Sophie. Anyone pre-Diana has the advantage of having been pre-Diana. Diana got it fairly early, but given the drama around that marriage I wouldn't be surprised if the Queen regretted doing so - Sarah, in contrast, I don't believe ever received it, likely because the Queen chose to wait to see how that marriage worked out.
Camilla got it early on, but like Diana she married the heir and became a full time royal pretty much right away. Sophie, however, did not marry the heir and did not become a full time royal right away. With her, we can see that the Queen waited until after she had been married for awhile and after she had become a full time royal before giving it to her.
Now there's Kate. She's been married for awhile, yes, she's had children, yes, but she's still not a full time royal. I'm not going to debate the issue of whether or not she should be one - there are many factors at play there - but at this time neither she nor her husband are. So it seems like the Queen is waiting to give her the RFO until she is a full time royal.