The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #1161  
Old 11-05-2017, 07:41 AM
Madame Verseau's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Louisville, United States
Posts: 914
The DM article was virtually dismissive of the order and the country that's awarding it. The comments were none too kind to the recipient. But it still strikes me that Kate does not have the RFO after six years with the Firm and producing soon to be three successors to the throne, one a future king. I heard the ivory defense and that Kate may already have it and not wearing it, but I think the media would have announced it. Notice the DM stated the Tuvalu order is her first order. Even though Kate would have something to show at the next Diplomatic Reception, I still think the group picture will be embarrassing. By this time Kate should have the RFO and other orders.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #1162  
Old 11-05-2017, 08:20 AM
Skippyboo's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Atlanta, United States
Posts: 4,150
Not to restart this debate. A RFO is never announced as being given. The press only knows when itís worn. Thus the ivory dilemma comes in because of Williamís position on ivory. Kate could have the order and is not wearing it with the blessing from the Queen because of the ivory or she could just not have it. We donít know.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #1163  
Old 11-05-2017, 08:21 AM
Osipi's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 11,526
As it is a medal, I seriously doubt we'd see Kate wearing the Tuvalu order at the Diplomatic reception. One thing about the RFO is that it is never announced to the public when someone receives it. Its a within the family sort of thing so the Daily Mail has no more clue about whether Kate has the RFO than we do. Its still a mystery and to be honest, I don't see them making any kind of announcement about if Kate has it or she doesn't and any reasons why she'd not be wearing it.

Time will tell. Maybe.
__________________
Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.

~~~Ralph Waldo Emerson~~~
Reply With Quote
  #1164  
Old 11-06-2017, 02:59 AM
wbenson's Avatar
Moderator Emeritus
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: -, United States
Posts: 2,462
The picture in the DM article actually looks like it could be a neck order, in which case she'd probably wear it on a bow, like the royal family orders are worn. (But I still doubt we'll ever see it on her, at least until the next time she visits Tuvalu, regardless of her RFO situation.)

I think what I saw before was a separate medal affiliated with the order, similar to the British Empire and Royal Victorian medals.
Reply With Quote
  #1165  
Old 11-20-2017, 08:39 PM
Dman's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 14,229
With The Queen knighting Prince Philip with the Kight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, he now has four UK Order of Chivalry Breast stars. Last member of the family to have four breast stars was the late Earl Mountbatten-
https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisship...52922034409477
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."

A.W. TOZER
Reply With Quote
  #1166  
Old 11-20-2017, 08:54 PM
Pranter's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 9,363
When Phillips passes do his order pass to anyone? Not for them to wear but as a keepsake?


LaRae
Reply With Quote
  #1167  
Old 11-20-2017, 09:09 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 5,788
Normally Royal Orders are 'retired' when the recipient passes but if Philip predeceases the Queen I wouldn't be surprised if she keeps his Stars etc with her for a while, as a keepsake.
Reply With Quote
  #1168  
Old 11-20-2017, 09:11 PM
Pranter's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 9,363
Thanks Curryong!


LaRae
Reply With Quote
  #1169  
Old 11-20-2017, 09:14 PM
Pranter's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 9,363
Well I wasn't sure if they buried them with the person but I now remember reading something here about them being recycled.


Thanks!

LaRae
Reply With Quote
  #1170  
Old 11-20-2017, 09:23 PM
Dman's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 14,229
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pranter View Post
Well I wasn't sure if they buried them with the person but I now remember reading something here about them being recycled.


Thanks!

LaRae
They are recycled for future use. They are very expensive to make. Even the orders collars are recycled from many decades and centuries ago.
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."

A.W. TOZER
Reply With Quote
  #1171  
Old 11-20-2017, 09:31 PM
Skippyboo's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Atlanta, United States
Posts: 4,150
The expensive ones like the Garter, etc are returned to the palace and then reissued. Something like a MBE would be kept by the personís family. There was a story in the paper about the Duchess of Westminster and her children visiting the Queen at BP to return the late Dukeís Garter regalia.
Reply With Quote
  #1172  
Old 11-20-2017, 09:33 PM
Dman's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 14,229
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skippyboo View Post
The expensive ones like the Garter, etc are returned to the palace and then reissued. Something like a MBE would be kept by the person’s family. There was a story in the paper about the Duchess of Westminster and her children visiting the Queen at BP to return the late Duke’s Garter regalia.
Yes, the major knighthood orders are returned upon the recipients death. I think President Reagan’s Order of the Bath was kept after his passing and is displayed at his library in California. Unless it was returned later on.
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."

A.W. TOZER
Reply With Quote
  #1173  
Old 11-21-2017, 12:57 AM
wbenson's Avatar
Moderator Emeritus
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: -, United States
Posts: 2,462
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dman View Post
They are recycled for future use. They are very expensive to make. Even the orders collars are recycled from many decades and centuries ago.
I think except for the Garter and Thistle (for which everything goes back), the only insignia that has to be returned is the collar of a knight or dame grand cross. I'm pretty sure that the badges and stars of the more junior orders can be kept by the family.

I can't find the statutes of the other orders, but in the Royal Victorian Order, collars are only even issued to knights/dames grand cross who don't have any other collars.
Reply With Quote
  #1174  
Old 11-21-2017, 01:03 AM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: jersey shore, United States
Posts: 841
I never knew they were returned.
Reply With Quote
  #1175  
Old 12-06-2017, 07:59 AM
Nico's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 2,207
Confirmation from last night : still no RFO for Catherine.

http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/wp...2517552239.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #1176  
Old 12-06-2017, 08:23 AM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: 。, Hong Kong
Posts: 468
I don't feel surprised. Somehow I still assume that the Queen won't give RFO to the 3rd generation.
Reply With Quote
  #1177  
Old 12-06-2017, 08:28 AM
Dman's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 14,229
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nico View Post
Confirmation from last night : still no RFO for Catherine.

http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/wp...2517552239.jpg
You still can’t tell because the order would be pinned to her left shoulder and you can’t see her left shoulder in the picture, Nico. It’s completely blocked out by the car. So no confirmation!

If she don’t have it...it’s a total damn shame, IMO. To leave Catherine without her family order is the dumbest thing ever.
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."

A.W. TOZER
Reply With Quote
  #1178  
Old 12-06-2017, 08:40 AM
Duc_et_Pair's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: City, Netherlands
Posts: 8,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dman View Post
They are recycled for future use. They are very expensive to make. Even the orders collars are recycled from many decades and centuries ago.
I think it depends on who the receiver was. I was in the Museum of the Chancellery of the Netherlands Orders and saw displays with hundreds of Orders once worn by Orange-Nassaus, so apparently not returned:

Picture 1

Picture 2
Reply With Quote
  #1179  
Old 12-06-2017, 08:43 AM
muriel's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: London / Guildford, United Kingdom
Posts: 7,357
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dman View Post
You still canít tell because the order would be pinned to her left shoulder and you canít see her left shoulder in the picture, Nico. Itís completely blocked out by the car. So no confirmation!

If she donít have it...itís a total damn shame, IMO. To leave Catherine without her family order is the dumbest thing ever.
I accept that Catherine's left shoulder is not fully visible, so it is unclear if she has the RFO.

I suspect now tgat she has gone full time, she may now get the RFO in the next year of two.
Reply With Quote
  #1180  
Old 12-06-2017, 08:45 AM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: pinner, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,541
It may well be that Charles lll wishes to award the RFO to his Daughters-in-Law and possibly his Nieces ? Nothing so terribly shocking about that imo...
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
orders and decorations, protocol, royal family order


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Popular Tags
"chinese gordon" biography camilla chris o'neill cristina crown princess victoria current events family fashion general news germany gloucester grandchild grand duchess maria teresa grand duke jean guillaume harry and meghan hereditary grand duchess stťphanie hereditary grand duke guillaume infanta cristina infanta leonor infanta pilar infanta sofia iŮaki urdangarŪn jacobite juan carlos king felipe king felipe vi king philippe king willem-alexander letizia meghan markle news osborn porphyria prince prince charles prince charles; biographies; tom bower prince daniel prince gabriel prince harry prince harry of wales prince nicholas prince oscar princess claire of luxembourg princess diana princess eleonore princess estelle princess leonore princess madeleine princess of asturias princess sibilla princess victoria queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima royal royal ancestry royal family royal geneology royal wedding shaikh zayed bin hamdan bin zayed al nahyan sofia state visit stephanie sweden swedish royal family victoria visit from sweden wedding



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:56 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2018
Jelsoft Enterprises