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Old 07-13-2017, 10:49 AM
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Why didn't he wear the sash last night, then?

And did anyone see Andrew with a Spanish order? If Harry has received one for accompanying Felipe and Letizia, Andrew must have received one too.
I don't know if Andrew did but he and Edward were both wearing three star shaped orders last night whereas before I'm sure I've only ever seen them wear 2.
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:19 AM
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Both Andrew and Edward have the Garter, and in the video it looks like they are wearing the blue sash of the Garter:

It makes no sense for Harry, Andrew and Edward to receive a Spanish order and not wear it to the State Dinner.
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:24 AM
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He could wear both, and in any case he was supposed to wear his highest Spanish order last night no? The others were extra, so to speak.
The fact that he didn't wear a sash last night and that the Spanish Gazette hasn't published anything makes me wonder what is going on.

I fully agree with you! It all becomes more and more confusing... Harry being awarded, but the other Royals, including his ELDER brother, not. Then wearing no sash (never seen it before - a sash always seems to be worn for this specific order).
The Queen of the UK (whom I truely love and admire since my childhood days!) stubbornly keeping on awarding only MALE consorts (although being "only" HRHs) and no female. Clearly a publicly performed male preference - and that in the year 2017! I do hope the next King will change this right away.
Then that "Catherine still has not the RFO"-thing... It´s all irritating and untransparent. You don´t understand why this and that (odd) decision is made - or if there was one at all. It has no guiding line, no concept, comparing to the other Royal Houses where you just exchange and receive orders according to ones own position and rank in the monarchy as a token of politeness and a mark of diplomatic entante, and that´s that. No fuss no "???"
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:44 AM
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Both Andrew and Edward have the Garter, and in the video it looks like they are wearing the blue sash of the Garter:

It makes no sense for Harry, Andrew and Edward to receive a Spanish order and not wear it to the State Dinner.
Upon closer inspection I discovered the other thing they are wearing are their medals and the other two things are, I'm assuming, the KCVO and Garter star.
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:58 AM
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I fully agree with you! It all becomes more and more confusing... Harry being awarded, but the other Royals, including his ELDER brother, not. Then wearing no sash (never seen it before - a sash always seems to be worn for this specific order).
The Queen of the UK (whom I truely love and admire since my childhood days!) stubbornly keeping on awarding only MALE consorts (although being "only" HRHs) and no female. Clearly a publicly performed male preference - and that in the year 2017! I do hope the next King will change this right away.
Then that "Catherine still has not the RFO"-thing... It´s all irritating and untransparent. You don´t understand why this and that (odd) decision is made - or if there was one at all. It has no guiding line, no concept, comparing to the other Royal Houses where you just exchange and receive orders according to ones own position and rank in the monarchy as a token of politeness and a mark of diplomatic entante, and that´s that. No fuss no "???"
It's not only confusing and frustrating but, when one recognizes the large amount of unfairness and lack of transparency, some folks make it seem like you're the one that's crazy and have no right to express concern and skepticism of The Queen's odd system on awarding the family order. After six years this stuff is bound to come up.
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I don't know if Andrew did but he and Edward were both wearing three star shaped orders last night whereas before I'm sure I've only ever seen them wear 2.
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You must be a Knight Grand Cross to wear the badge of the order on a sash. If Harry had been awarded the order at the grade of Knight Commander, he would wear the badge on a necklace and the star on the chest. The thing is though that he was clearly wearing his own British KCVO badge around the neck and it wouldn't make sense for him to wear the star of a Spanish order on the chest and not wear the badge on a necklace or a ribbon. The lower grades of the order on the other hand wouldn't get a star, would they ?
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:59 PM
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According to this The British Royals Message Board: Re: While on the subject of orders -- Prince Harry

Harry, Andrew and Anne were given the Order of Isabel la Católica. If true, it would be a thank you because the three of them are accompanying the King and Queen at different events during the State Visit. But still doesn't make sense why Harry and Andrew didn't wear their Spanish orders last night. I haven't seen a good picture/video of Anne.
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:08 PM
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According to this The British Royals Message Board: Re: While on the subject of orders -- Prince Harry

Harry, Andrew and Anne were given the Order of Isabel la Católica. If true, it would be a thank you because the three of them are accompanying the King and Queen at different events during the State Visit. But still doesn't make sense why Harry and Andrew didn't wear their Spanish orders last night. I haven't seen a good picture/video of Anne.
I saw Princess Anne on the video. I'm pretty sure she was wearing the blue sash of the Order of the Garter (which is easy to differentiate from others as it is worn on the left shoulder !). And Harry, I'm also pretty sure, was wearing the badge of KCVO on his necklace.



If Anne was really made a Grand Cross and Harry a Commander in the Order of Isabel la Católica , Anne should have worn the corresponding (yellow ?) sash with the Spanish badge attached thereto and Harry, I suppsose, should have worn the Spanish insignia on his neck. So, either the board is wrong, or maybe the Spaniards haven't delivered them the full insignia yet, which would be very amateurish if it did happen.


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And BTW, why was Harry wearing a miniature order (or whatever that was) on a visit to Westminster Abbey, which I wouldn't normally consider an order event ?
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:21 PM
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I saw Princess Anne on the video. I'm pretty sure she was wearing the blue sash of the Order of the Garter (which is easy to differentiate from others as it is worn on the left shoulder !). And Harry, I'm also pretty sure, was wearing the badge of KCVO on his necklace.

If Anne was really made a Grand Cross and Harry a Commander in the Order of Isabel la Católica , Anne should have worn the corresponding (yellow ?) sash with the Spanish badge attached thereto and Harry, I suppsose, should have worn the Spanish insignia on his neck. So, either the board is wrong, or maybe the Spaniards haven't delivered them the full insignia yet, which would be very amateurish if it did happen.
The sash is white and yellow. The Peruvian First Lady wears it in this picture

I can't imagine King Felipe and his staff bringing the lapel pin that Harry was wearing today and the "stars" that they wore last night and forgetting the sashes. All these things go in the same box
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The sash is white and yellow. The Peruvian First Lady wears it in this picture

I can't imagine King Felipe and his staff bringing the lapel pin that Harry was wearing today and the "stars" that they wore last night and forgetting the sashes. All these things go in the same box
In any case, it would be very awkward for the King of Spain to bestow orders on Harry, Anne and Andrew, and give nothing to Camilla, William and Catherine, who have higher precedence. Camilla, in particular, escorted the King and the Queen to Horse Guards and received them for tea at Clarence House, so she was as much a part of the official program as Harry, Andrew, or Anne. As for William and Kate, I don't think it is their fault that the Queen didn't ask them to play a greater role in this particular state visit.

This order "blunder", including the British royals not wearing the proper insignia at the state dinner, is something that one would not expect in a visit from the King of Spain to the British monarch. I must say I find it difficult to understand.


EDIT: According to another forum, Richard Palmer has confirmed that Anne, Andrew and Harry have indeed received the Order of Isabella the Catholic. As the royal decree awarding the orders has not been published yet, I assume it must have been a last-time, rushed decision, which might explain the confusion at the dinner with the insignia they were wearing. In any case, it doesn't look good on the Casa del Rey or the Windsors, or both (I'm not sure yet !).
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Old 07-13-2017, 02:17 PM
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We'll see what order Anne wears tonight
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Old 07-13-2017, 02:27 PM
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I can't imagine why they wouldn't wear the orders if they were given them unless it was not announced in advance so they did not know and decided not to change their pre-planned orders/ ribbons etc at short notice? Even I admit its pretty lame but still...
I don't get the fuss about Anne, Andrew and Harry getting orders while the others do not, if true then the King has obviously decided to reward/recognise those involved in the official programme of their visit. The other royals simply turned up at a banquet. As for Charles and Camilla, well Charles has the highest orders he can until turning King. Camilla will most likely get an honour when Queen (same goes for William and Kate - they will have opportunities as PsoW and Sovereigns to get honours).

I agree with AnaC, tonights banquet may be the test. If Anne has the order she has had plenty of time for tonights banquet to get the sash ready.

Edit - Could it be that as they are wearing the star they are also wearing the Sash of their highest UK order? the order of splendour talks about how to wear orders and in one picture King Harald of Norway is wearing the collar of the Swedish order but the sash of his highest Norwegian order? Not sure how it all works but maybe they were doing what they thought was the right thing?
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Old 07-13-2017, 02:36 PM
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Anne is wearing the Garter tonight. https://twitter.com/citylordmayor
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Anne is wearing the Garter tonight. https://twitter.com/citylordmayor

The mystery thickens ! I am beginning to believe that someone in Madrid forgot to pack the sash of Isabella the Catholic .
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The Royal Family Order (RFO) and other Royal Orders and Decorations

Philip and Charles had Spanish sashes on instead of their Garter. So they weren't wearing a U.K. sash since they had a Spanish one. Harry doesn't even have a U.K. sash to wear
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Philip and Charles had Spanish sashes on instead of their Garter. So they weren't wearing a U.K. sash since they had a Spanish one. Harry doesn't even have a U.K. sash to wear
Philip and Charles received their Spanish orders in the 1980s. Harry doesn't have a British sash to wear, but, as I explained, as a Knight Commander in the RVO, he wears the badge of the order on a necklace, as he did yesterday. If he received a Commander grade in the Order of Isabella the Catholic , he should have worn the Spanish badge around his neck (which he didn't) and the Spanish star on his chest (which apparently he did). It doesn't add up.

Anne, reportedly as a Grand Cross of the Order of Isabella the Catholic, should on the other hand have worn the Spanish sash yesterday and should be wearing it today.
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Old 07-13-2017, 02:57 PM
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Skippyboo, also Queen Elizabeth was wearing a Spanish order instead of a British one (although she could have worn both of her Spanish orders and only wore one). But multiple reporters have announced that Anne, Andrew and Harry have received a Spanish order.

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The mystery thickens ! I am beginning to believe that someone in Madrid forgot to pack the sash of Isabella the Catholic .
I do not think this is possible since the sash, the miniature, the star, the pin...all goes in the same box that is presented to the person receiving the order.
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Oh heck maybe they just ran our of ribbon in the right colour then? ;-)
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Skippyboo, also Queen Elizabeth was wearing a Spanish order instead of a British one (although she could have worn both of her Spanish orders and only wore one). But multiple reporters have announced that Anne, Andrew and Harry have received a Spanish order.
King Felipe BTW was wearing the necklace insiginia of the Spanish Order of the Golden Fleece (probably the Sovereign's necklace insignia actually) and the sash and star of the Order of the Garter, isn't that right ?
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That's right! (Although I don't think there is a Golden Fleece specifically for the Sovereign, there are grander and more bejeweled insignia than the one he usually chooses for State Visits, including yesterday's. Unlike his wife, he didn't dress up )

He could have chosen to add the star of the Charles III order, like his father used to do with foreign orders, and like he has done in the past. But like choosing smaller and less bejeweled versions of the Golden Fleece insignia, lately he only wears the sash/collar of the foreign order without the extra star of his Spanish order.
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