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Old 08-30-2015, 09:12 PM
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Why does this thread ask why she has received it when she hasn't? Anyway there really is no surprise why she wasn't given one. She lasted only 6 yrs and has been a frequent embarrasment to the RF.
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:22 PM
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Why does this thread ask why she has received it when she hasn't? Anyway there really is no surprise why she wasn't given one. She lasted only 6 yrs and has been a frequent embarrasment to the RF.
The question is this. Sarah did not receive. I wonder why.
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:24 PM
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The fact is we don't know whether she received it or not. what we do know is that there are nopictures of her wearing it.

In the same way Catherine could have had the RFO for that last 18 months but we don't know because there are no pictures.

most royal pundits say Sarah never received it; they are the same people who say Catherine "will" receive it and wear it to the Chinese State Banquet which she has not been confirmed as attending by BP.

It is within the personal gift of the monarch. there is also a school of thought that says it is given to princesses of the blood, usually when they are young. Looking back, research shows that, so Beatrice and Eugenie may have it. Zara would not qualify.

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Old 08-30-2015, 09:26 PM
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Sarah started being an embarrassment to HM within a year of her marriage to Andrew, a year before the birth of their first child. Scroll down to the fourth picture. Fergie and Di poke umbrellas | Lisa's History Room
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:28 PM
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The fact is we don't know whether she received it or not. what we do know is that there are nopictures of her wearing it.

In the same way Catherine could have had the RFO for that last 18 months but we don't know because there are no pictures.

most royal pundits say Sarah never received it; they are the same people who say Catherine "will" receive it and wear it to the Chinese State Banquet which she has not been confirmed as attending by BP.

It is within the personal gift of the monarch. there is also a school of thought that says it is given to princesses of the blood, usually when they are young. Looking back, research shows that, so Beatrice and Eugenie may have it. Zara would not qualify.

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They can receive the RFO and never appear to use it?
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:33 PM
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It's such a high honour that I can't imagine someone not wearing it. For one thing, it would be an insult to the Queen not to. Plus, given the flamboyant character that Sarah is, I think she'd have worn it whenever she could.
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:38 PM
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Because in the eyes of the Queen she didn't deserve it. It's as simple as that. That's why Princess Michael didn't receive it either (and why the RVO was never awarded to Diana).
The RVO I find an odd one as Sophie was given a GCVO before Andrew and Edward. I know they had the previous RVO's but the fact that Sophie was given the highest one above her husband and brother-in-law was odd.

I guess we will never know why Sarah or Princess Michael never received the award. I imagine Princess Michael doesn't have it as she doesn't technically do "royal jobs", whereas the other female family members do.

Does anyone think that Beatrice and Eugenie (and even Zara or Louise when she is older) have the order? Of course we will never see them wearing it unless they suddenly attend a state occasion, but is it likely they would ever receive it?
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:01 PM
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The RVO I find an odd one as Sophie was given a GCVO before Andrew and Edward. I know they had the previous RVO's but the fact that Sophie was given the highest one above her husband and brother-in-law was odd.

I guess we will never know why Sarah or Princess Michael never received the award. I imagine Princess Michael doesn't have it as she doesn't technically do "royal jobs", whereas the other female family members do.

Does anyone think that Beatrice and Eugenie (and even Zara or Louise when she is older) have the order? Of course we will never see them wearing it unless they suddenly attend a state occasion, but is it likely they would ever receive it?
Well, it was odd, but I guess that's due to the very close relationship Sophie and The Queen have.

I'm not sure Beatrice & Eugenie will get it.

We can direct the conversation to this thread:
The Royal Family Order (RFO) and other Royal Orders and Decorations
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:46 PM
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Isn't it the norm that the orders are only worn for very specific events such as state dinners and such when all the bling comes out? Beatrice and Eugenie may very well have had theirs for years but as they've never really attended an event where it would be worn, we have no idea if they have or not.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:57 PM
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The Queen has a George V order and she was only ten when he died so it's possible that her female grandchildren could already have her RFO but they don't attend tiara type events where it would be worn. The only reason to believe that the younger royals don't have it is that the Queen has a reputation of being stingy with giving out honors. This I find interesting that it wasn't always like that with the previous reigns. Elizabeth and Margaret received their grandfather's RFO as a child. Her father made Philip a Knight of Garter on the eve of their wedding but the Queen hasn't made any Royal spouse a Garter member herself.


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Old 08-31-2015, 12:38 AM
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I would assume that the Royal Family Order is almost a given to those who are born into the Royal Family, like Beatrice and Eugenie- something that designates them as princesses of the blood and granddaughters of the Queen.

I think it's different with women who marry into the family- the Queen seems to wait until she feels like they've done some service to the family, or served the firm. I imagine a big part of Kate's getting it will be that she's had children that are the future of the monarchy.
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I imagine Princess Michael doesn't have it as she doesn't technically do "royal jobs", whereas the other female family members do.
I was under the impression that both Prince and Princess Michael do a lot of work on behalf of the queen.
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Old 08-31-2015, 01:13 AM
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Prince and Princess Michael occasionally attend major royal events such as Trooping the Colour and sometimes a garden party or state banquet but they don't do much else officially for the Queen. My count for the year is Michael 8 and Marie-Christine 6.


Beatrice and Eugenie are the only HRHs who have done fewer official engagements.
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Old 08-31-2015, 02:35 AM
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. Her father made Philip a Knight of Garter on the eve of their wedding but the Queen hasn't made any Royal spouse a Garter member herself.


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I think with the Garter it was different because it was a man who married into the RF and not a woman. When die Prince Albert receive hi? Also at his Wedding to Queen Victoria?
And the Garter was/is not given to female spouses except for Queen's who get it after their husbands became King.
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What happens to their orders when they die...do they go into safekeeping or to a family member (as a memento)?
Generally the more rare and valuable insignia has to be returned and the less valuable insignia can be kept by the family. For example, with the Order of the Garter, nearly everything has to be returned, but with the Royal Victorian Order the family can keep everything except the gold collar given to a knight grand cross.

The arrangements for the Royal Family Order are private, but given the number of diamonds on the badge I wouldn't be surprised if they were returned after the death of the recipient.

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When die Prince Albert receive hi? Also at his Wedding to Queen Victoria?
Two months before, actually. And Prince Leopold got his the same year he married Princess Charlotte.
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The badges of the Royal Family Order are made of precious material and encrusted with diamonds. When Sarah was around, Queen Elizabeth, the Princess of Wales, the Princess Margaret and Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester were alive. All of them were ladies with multiple RFO badges. So when these ladies died, nine of those little artworks became "available" for new distribution. At that time however, Sarah was already out of the picture.

HM Queen Elizabeth, the Queen-Mother with two badges (George VI and Elizabeth II):
see picture.

HRH The Princess of Wales with one badge (Elizabeth II):
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HRH The Princess Margaret with three badges (George V, George VI, Elizabeth II):
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HRH Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester with three badges (George V, George VI and Elizabeth II):
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Princess Michael never receive the Order of the Royal Family;
As far as I'm ware the only British decoration Marie Christine has received is the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal.
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Wouldn't the Queen Mother have received three badges, the same as her sister in law, Alice of Gloucester? After all, she was married to the Duke of York in 1923, nearly thirteen years before her father in law, King George V, died.
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The Queen Mother did have the George V RFO (which Wiki says was on a white ribbon, but looks light blue in most photos I've seen?) - see this image. I've read that after her daughter became Queen, the Queen Mother rarely wore all three RFOs she had, choosing to only wear her husband's (pink) and her daughter's (yellow).
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There are currently more deceased members than living members of the Royal Family Order of Queen Elizabeth II!


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Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother
Queen Mary, wife of King George V and grandmother of Queen Elizabeth II
Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon, sister of Queen Elizabeth II
Diana, Princess of Wales, daughter-in-law of Queen Elizabeth II
Princess Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood, aunt of Queen Elizabeth II
Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, aunt of Queen Elizabeth II
Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent, aunt of Queen Elizabeth II
Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone, first cousin twice removed and grandaunt of Queen Elizabeth II

Current

The Princess Anne, Princess Royal, daughter of Queen Elizabeth II
Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, daughter-in-law of Queen Elizabeth
Sophie, Countess of Wessex
Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy, cousin of Queen Elizabeth II
Birgitte, Duchess of Gloucester, cousin-in-law of Queen Elizabeth II
Katharine, Duchess of Kent, cousin-in-law of Queen Elizabeth II
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