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Old 01-21-2014, 10:08 PM
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I thought the Royal Victorian order was given for services to the Sovereign so why would Prince Michaels private secretary get it. I,m sure I saw in a previous honours list as well that Anne Frost one of the Princess' ladies in waiting got it too.
The Queen gives Royal Victorian Order for services to the Monarchy at large, meaning herself and her Royal family. Thus, courtiers and servants of members of the Royal Family, not only the Queen, are given this order as a sign of recognition of their work. For example, on the recent New Year's Honours, Stephen Joseph Towers has been awarded the Royal Victorian Medal for his service as chauffeur within the Duke of Kent’s Household.
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Great George:
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I couldn't help but to post this beautiful work of art. I know it must be heavy but I wouldn't mind seeing either Charles, William, Camilla or Catherine wearing this piece someday during the Garter service.
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Old 03-09-2014, 08:17 PM
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I couldn't help but to post this beautiful work of art. I know it must be heavy but I wouldn't mind seeing either Charles, William, Camilla or Catherine wearing this piece someday during the Garter service.
Isn't this the "George" that hangs on the chain of office? The minor George on the "bottom" of the sash? Question marks cos I am checking
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I'm putting this here, as the Order of the Garter thread is under jewelry - and this is not a jewel question.
Royal Members of the garter have no limit, right? There can be only 25 knights, but can the sovereign do as they like with royal family?

And how often do in laws often count as "family" in the Order? I'm just asking - don't shoot me. The Duke of Edinburgh is a Royal Member, have there been many more?
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:41 PM
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Te li it of 25 is for actual members. There appears to be no limit for royal members or "stranger" members.

royals members have been limited but the reaso ing behind it lies in the head of the Monarch. for example HMQ eventually gave the Garter honour to all her children, but P Margaret never got it. HMQ gave the honour to her husbandand Charles will give the Garter to Camilla and so on.

Stranger knights - will the Queen giv another to Netherlands? She should IMO. Or Luxembourg? Or is there ahidden rule it is one per country. spouses of foreign sovereignsdo not get our highest honour.

i am on an ipad so aorry for typos
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Actually George VI gave the garter to Philip the day before his wedding to Elizabeth.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:59 PM
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I'm putting this here, as the Order of the Garter thread is under jewelry - and this is not a jewel question.
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:01 PM
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I just want to apologise for the absolutely rubbish typing for my message #265 from my Ipad.

That deserves a detention, extra homework and cleaning up my room in double quick time. so sorry!
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Order of the Garter

I understood that the Order consisted of The Sovereign, The Prince of Wales, no more that 24 "regular" Knights plus "Stranger or Extra" Knights and the Officers (of which there are 6 - some of whom may be members).

I think that the only restriction is on the "regular" Knights and the "extra" Knights are just that....extra. I think there are currently 15 extra or Stranger Knights (I think the more proper term)

I have seen "Royal" Knights which are members of the British Royal Family shown separately, but I think they may just be a category of Stranger Knights - i.e. not 1 of the 24 "regular" Knights.

There are currently 8 Royal Knights
D of Edinburgh
The Princess Royal
D of Kent
D of Gloucester
Pns Alexandra
D of York
E of Wessex
D of Cambridge

And 7 further foreign Royal Knights
GD Jean of Luxembourg
The Queen of Denmark
The King of Sweden
The King of Spain (Juan Carlos)
Princess (formerly Queen) of the Netherlands (Beatrix)
The Emperor of Japan
The King of Norway

As to cepe's question -

The GREATER George (as it is called) is the (often) heavily bejewelled pendant that hangs from the Collar of the Order. The LESSER George is the badge medallion that falls at the hip from the bow of the sash.


I have added a picture of HM's Lesser George (also quite bejewelled!)

Pictures - HM Greater George / a Lesser George / HM's Lesser George
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Just read this on Twitter. Wonderful news!


The Duchess of Cornwall appointed Dame Grand Cross to the Royal Victorian Order by Queen Elizabeth II
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Old 12-21-2014, 10:02 PM
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According to the DM she was given this award as a wedding anniversary gift in April, 2012


Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall made Dame Grand Cross of Royal Victorian Order by Queen | Daily Mail Online




Wikipedia also dates that award to her wedding anniversary in April 2012.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camilla...ss_of_Cornwall


Maybe the twitterer meant Kate rather than Camilla and put down the wrong title.
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According to the DM she was given this award as a wedding anniversary gift in April, 2012


Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall made Dame Grand Cross of Royal Victorian Order by Queen | Daily Mail Online




Wikipedia also dates that award to her wedding anniversary in April 2012.


Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Maybe the twitterer meant Kate rather than Camilla and put down the wrong title.
Thanks for the clarification. It could indeed be Kate ... we shall see.
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If it is Kate- wonderful! Well deserved!
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Thanks for the clarification. It could indeed be Kate ... we shall see.
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If it is Kate- wonderful! Well deserved!
I think it is a bit early for Kate. She has not yet been seen with an RFO, so this could be some time away.
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If it is Kate- wonderful! Well deserved!
She has got married and had a child - how is that deserving of an honour?

Let's be frank, the only people in the Royal Family who have "earned" their honours in the way any other person in the Commonwealth does are Zara Phillips, Mike Tindall and Tim Lawrence (his CBE). I adore Camilla and Sophie and admire Charles and Anne but they have hardly earned the multitude of honours they hold when you compare what non-Royals do to earn their awards.
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Old 12-24-2014, 10:17 PM
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What Catherine has done for her charities, especially those connected with children , to me deserves recognition. Mods move if this is not the correct thread.
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Old 12-25-2014, 04:57 AM
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Camilla had to wait 7 years and Diana never got it - both worked more for their charities than Kate has done so far - so she hasn't done enough to earn it. She may do enough in time but other royals have had to work for a lot longer than barely 3 years to get this honour e.g. neither Charles nor Philip have it - yet.
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Camilla had to wait 7 years and Diana never got it - both worked more for their charities than Kate has done so far - so she hasn't done enough to earn it. She may do enough in time but other royals have had to work for a lot longer than barely 3 years to get this honour e.g. neither Charles nor Philip have it - yet.
I got a bit curious and went digging for information. According to the sources I've read, Philip is not only GBE, but is also the Grand Master of the Order after the Queen. I know its Wikipedia but...

Current Knights and Dames Grand Cross

Sovereign: Queen Elizabeth II
Grand Master: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
King of Arms: Admiral Sir Peter Abbott, GBE KCB

The Duke of Edinburgh KG KT OM ONZ GBE AC QSO GCL CC CMM PC ADC(P) 1953
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Old 12-25-2014, 05:33 PM
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You are looking at a different order - the GBE - is the Order of the British Empire.


I am looking at the Royal Victorian Order - RVO - which Philip doesn't have.


Anne is the Grand Master of the RVO.
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You are looking at a different order - the GBE - is the Order of the British Empire.


I am looking at the Royal Victorian Order - RVO - which Philip doesn't have.


Anne is the Grand Master of the RVO.
Prince Philip is a member of Order of the Garter since 1947. It is the highest order of chivalry. Next award is higher than previous, the British honours system works only this way. That's why the Queen didn't award prince Philip with RVO.
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