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Old 06-11-2013, 03:41 PM
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The Duchess of Kent was never awarded this order either. I am sure with all the orders Camilla is going to rank up as the Sovereign's spouse, she can let have her dedicated sister-in-law just have that one!
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Old 06-11-2013, 09:58 PM
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Why does Sophie have the Order of St. John but Camilla doesn't?

According to Wikipedia Sophie has the Dame of Justice of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem (DStJ) but Camilla does not. Sophie received hers in 2005, after only 6 years of marriage.

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Camilla's maternal grandmother, Sonia Keppel Baroness Ashcombe was ordered an OBE (Order of the British Empire) and a DStJ what's according to Wikipedia stands for Dame of The Most Venerable Order of St. John of Jerusalem. This distinction is given to people who perform services and charitable organizations having to do with healthcare or illness. It's membership is limited to 35,000. . The Sovereign appoints to people to order.
I'm not familiar with all that the Countess of Wessex does but I think she has done a lot of work in these areas. The Queen felt she deserved recognition.
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:11 AM
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Imho...

I have just read through all 13 pages of this thread and as much as we can speculate on who will get what...I, for one, am happy enough to leave it up to the one person who has the best insight, intuition and understanding of the nuances of such things - HM The Queen. My thinking is that she is in the best position to judge such things and has so for, IMHO, not gone wrong yet.

It is my understanding that (royal) Garters only go to princes and princesses of the Blood Royal (excepted for Queens Consort)...therefore not to the Duchesses of Kent or Gloucester, Sophie, RA Laurence etc

As for earning vs bestowing such honours, HRH The DofE has twice declined Canadian honours because he felt that he had not eaned them. He just recently received/accepted the Companion of the Order of Canada (see below) and Commander of the Order of Military Merit based on substantive merit as opposed to honourary status. I think that many menber of the BRF would take the same approach.

Also, please keep in mind that many members of the BRF hold honouray positions in various armed forces of the UK and the Realms. It is because of this service and dedication that they are able to be acknowleged by the variours service arms. So, while the Princess Royal or say the Earl of Wessex may not have actively 'served', they have worked very hard for their associated services branches and my guess is that the members and veterans of these units are more that happy to see their Royal Colonels (etc) wearing their uniforms and decorations.
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:59 AM
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The DoE didn't decline the Canadian honours because he felt he hadn't earned them, he declined them because he felt that the way they were being offered wasn't acknowledging his position.

The first time he was offered the Order of Canada it was the position of honourary Companion, which he declined on the grounds that a the spouse of the monarch he was a Canadian citizen and consequently entitled to a real appointment. The second time it was offered, in 1993, the Advisory Council proposed changing the Order so that the spouse of the monarch was automatically a Companion, while the DoE believed that he should be appointed (if appointed at all) based on merits not simply his marriage.

His recent acceptance has been because changes have been made to allow members of the royal family to hold substantive appointments based on merit within the order. He had always earned them, that's why the first offer was given to him in 1982, but it took the Advisory Council 30 years to figure out how to appoint him in a manner that wasn't also an insult.
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:41 AM
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Upclose Picture of HRH The Duchess of Cornwall's Royal Family Order of Queen Elizabeth II:
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A very nice looking Order.
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:01 AM
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A very nice looking Order.
Now that is really beautiful!
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:23 AM
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I agree, it's very nicely crafted.
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:45 AM
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I'd love to see close ups of several of the orders next to one another to see how similar/different they are. Queen Elizabeth has reigned so long, that if these are made to order, they may have been painted by different craftspeople. And likely the settings made/stones set by different people over the years. And I have also wondered if the stones are new or recycled?

I don't know that anyone knows how the family orders get made. One assumes it is the same craftspeople that make the OBEs etc., but maybe not.

Finally - can anyone ID the dress Elizabeth wears for her likeness on the order?
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A very nice looking Order.
It's lovely. I know that I'd likely never be this close to one so thank you for the photo.
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Old 11-17-2013, 11:17 AM
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I answered my own question, sort of. The image for the family order is taken from the 1952 sitting with Dorothy Wilding. The dress, gems and look are the same, except that the head on version and the print of the dress are different.
The dress print was probably changed to make it paint-able in small size.
I'd guess that the image, relaxed and friendly as it was, was chosen by the queen for personal use.
FYI - here is what Wilding looked like - bless, her, cigarette and all!
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It's lovely. I know that I'd likely never be this close to one so thank you for the photo.
You're welcome, I think Camilla has the First Class Order. I'm guessing Catherine has received hers or will soon. It's a personal gift from The Queen.
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I didn't think the Royal Family order was split into classes anymore.
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Nick Chance, LVO, JP, Private secretary to Prince Michael of Kent, was awarded Commander of the Royal Victoria Order for his service. What JP means?
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Nick Chance, LVO, JP, Private secretary to Prince Michael of Kent, was awarded Commander of the Royal Victoria Order for his service. What JP means?
JP normally means Justice of the Peace. Justice of the Peace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Has Princess Michael the Victorian Order ? (blue Sash)
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Has Princess Michael the Victorian Order ? (blue Sash)
Princess Michael holds no honours that I am aware of.
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I thought the Royal Victorian order was given for services to the Sovereign so why would Prince Michaels private secretary get it. I,m sure I saw in a previous honours list as well that Anne Frost one of the Princess' ladies in waiting got it too.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:24 AM
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Edward and Sophie's assistant private secretary and her lady-in-waiting has received honours this year, and their other staff members have done as well. The RVO includes services to the Sovereign and her family, as well as the public as Sophie's GP received one when Louise was born. A few other doctors who were part of her life saving surgery were awarded, but the GP had nothing to do with but he still received an LVO for his services to General Gractice.
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That's strange. If all these functionaries and government workers receive honours, why doesn't a Royal Highness receive them too?
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Old 01-08-2014, 01:22 AM
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Royal Highnesses do:

e.g. KG - or Knight of the Garter - the highest honour the monarch can award is currently held by the following Royal Highnesses:

Philip, Charles, William, Andrew, Edward, Anne, Richard, Edward and Alexandra.

A full list of honours from the UK and elsewhere (or almost a full list) List of honours of the British Royal Family by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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