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Old 02-22-2012, 01:03 AM
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Her Maj: 60 Years of Unofficial Portraits of the Queen | Cartoon Museum | Too Gentle on the Queen? | By Richard Holledge - WSJ.com

To celebrate her 21st birthday in April 1947, the British magazine Punch commissioned a cartoon of Princess Elizabeth. Drawn by E.H. Shepard, better known for his whimsical illustrations of Winnie the Pooh, she is in a summery dress, clutching a bouquet from her grateful subjects—an array of fairies with messages reading Happiness, Peace, Prosperity. In its sweet way it was a breakthrough. It was the first depiction of the future queen in cartoon form and reflects a respect for the monarchy that would be inconceivable today.

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Old 05-28-2012, 02:39 PM
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Those are wonderful caricatures I've never seen before. They really brought a smile to my face today. I especially liked the caption on Philip's medals saying "I'm bloody 85 years old y'know"!

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Carole Malone asks what is the point of work-shy Prince William and his EU opinions? - Carole Malone - Mirror Online
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I'd sum this past week as a giant spit ball of "we're not going to take it and we are shooting back" that has been hurled by the press at the Duke of Cambridge.

My question is - what do the press hope to gain by this? The obvious, readership. But in the past they did that with his excellent looking wedding, family, job as a rescue/hero? Why the sudden reversal of fortune?
Another way to ask this would be to our Forum members in the UK, did everyone there started hating on Wills lately and why? I get it that Kate's eyebrows have tilted the earth on its axis. But why hate the Duke OC for that? Or does the populous feel about him as they always have and this is just a new press foray.
Or is forcing the public to see the royals as aligning with the EU a way to scupper both the royals and the EU? Because that's how it looks to my US eyes. Deep waters. But I am just guessing.
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Old 02-20-2016, 06:39 PM
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Copied and pasted directly from Emily Andrews almost word for word, no new research or “source". The only thing she changes to avoid plagiary is to give William a verbal beating for decisively supporting the EU, even though he has shown himself to be completely neutral on the subject. That explains why she doesn’t bother to do independent research, she’s not very good at it.
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Old 02-20-2016, 07:07 PM
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I'd sum this past week as a giant spit ball of "we're not going to take it and we are shooting back" that has been hurled by the press at the Duke of Cambridge.

My question is - what do the press hope to gain by this? The obvious, readership. But in the past they did that with his excellent looking wedding, family, job as a rescue/hero? Why the sudden reversal of fortune?
Another way to ask this would be to our Forum members in the UK, did everyone there started hating on Wills lately and why? I get it that Kate's eyebrows have tilted the earth on its axis. But why hate the Duke OC for that? Or does the populous feel about him as they always have and this is just a new press foray.
Or is forcing the public to see the royals as aligning with the EU a way to scupper both the royals and the EU? Because that's how it looks to my US eyes. Deep waters. But I am just guessing.
tHe UK doesn't hate/dislike William for what he is doing. He is still a v popular Royal.

I want to answer yr question but I'm cutting across the media relationship thread which is at the heart of the issue. Apologies to mods.

The Sun report has been repeated in effect in 2 other tabloids - Mirror and Mail. I can only assume this is because word got out that theSun got lots of hits on its report.

There is nobacklash, or anti William lobby except by some of the tabloid press (not the media in general). This is not about William being workshy this is about Williams relationship with some of the press.

Fully understand if this gets moved but wanted to answer the question.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:08 PM
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I agree that this is about William's relationship with some parts of the Press. These are national newspapers however, and the important relationship between him and these papers seems to have severely broken down. It is not good when any senior member of the BRF comes under sustained attack like this and the relationship is going to have to be patched up.

It's a two way thing, and not just the fault of the tabloid press that things have come to this. William has to realise that these newspapers aren't just moulders of British public opinion. Sometimes they give voice to what many ordinary Britons are thinking.
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It isn't simply the 'tabloids'. They get away with these stories. Look at the comment sections of these papers. There is certainly less good will for the couple than some people would have you believe. And whether they are tabloids or not, they have a major readership both in the UK and abroad online.

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Just hoping William abdicates. Total waste of space and his lazy wife.
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He should stop abusing his position to steal the plum jobs and get a normal job that someone else with his qualifications would do (and he should have to go through the normal recruitment procedures to get it instead of relying on nepotism and having someone in the right position make a phone call to the right person to secure the role).
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To put it quite simply, he like many of the other royals enjoy the trappings and the wealth but doesn't like the work. It seems William and Kate have now joined the royal lazy squad. It seemse only the Queen, Prince Phillip, and Ann and Charlie do anything worthwhile. The Scrounging pack gets larger and larger
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Mark my words, within the next 10 days, after this article and the damning story on Kate's little helicopter jolly, Jason Knauf will twist Willnot and Cannot Middleton's arm to release some new photos of their children.This will be a PR attempt to do damage control now the public are beginning to realise what a pampered, immature and arrogant couple Bill and Cathy truly are.The bottom line is William is more Middleton than Windsor and the couple live their lives in a suspended state of adolescence, playing house and enjoying all the perks of their positions without any of the hard work required. They have no sense of Noblesse Oblige whatsoever, film premieres, football matches, sailing regattas, wine tasting, white water rafting and other mindless 'working' engagements such as these are not the makings of a future King and Queen Consort. What a disappointment they have turned out to be. The Queen, the Country and the Commonwealth deserve better from this ManChild and future King.
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i agree its time for william to either reject or embrace the fact that some day he will be king..... as far as camilla and charles go i wish them nothing but the best.....quit blaming charles for dianas dying cause you know what she is the one who refused protection she is also the one who got in to a vehicle with a drunk at the wheel ...and william i was way younger than you when my father died so suck it up princess and grow up
Yes there is still a great deal of support, but the growing antipathy towards them cannot be ignored either. The tabloids may be fanning it but its there. And just ignoring the articles because 'its only tabloids' wont help the matter.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:14 PM
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A relationship has to work both ways. The royals are public servants, they don't serve the whims of tabloids. Not a week goes by without some paper writing a negative story about a royal.

Either it's the York girls, Charles with his 'meddling' or the younger generation not pulling their weight. It just goes with being royal

When William took up this job last April, YouGov conducted a poll and only 10 percent of people thought William should focus solely on royal duties.

76 percent thought he should fly an air ambulance in addition to royal duties. So its clear there isn't any revolt.

In fact just last October, Sky News and Ipsos Mori did a poll on the monarchy and it was as popular as ever.

As I said, a relationship works both ways. It's not the job of the royals to jump ever time a tabloid writer says so.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:34 PM
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A relationship has to work both ways. The royals are public servants, they don't serve the whims of tabloids. Not a week goes by without some paper writing a negative story about a royal.

Either it's the York girls, Charles with his 'meddling' or the younger generation not pulling their weight. It just goes with being royal

When William took up this job last April, YouGov conducted a poll and only 10 percent of people thought William should focus solely on royal duties.

76 percent thought he should fly an air ambulance in addition to royal duties. So its clear there isn't any revolt.

In fact just last October, Sky News and Ipsos Mori did a poll on the monarchy and it was as popular as ever.

As I said, a relationship works both ways. It's not the job of the royals to jump ever time a tabloid writer says so.
It's funny to imagine an alternate universe where the BRF did everything the tabloids told them to do.

The Queen would have abdicated. William would have dumped Catherine and romantically pursued Princess Madeleine or a daughter of a Duke. Harry would have proposed to Cressida in 2014. Charles would have never married Camilla. Harry would have never quit the army. Andrew would have been disowned from the royal family. Anne would have divorced Tim and taken up with Andrew Parker-Bowles. Anne also would be the next monarch instead of Charles. Charles would have given Harry a public paternity test and announced the results at a press conference. Beatrice would have been forbidden from ever traveling again. Eugenie would have been forced to lose weight. Prince Edward would be living life as a gay man. William and Madeleine's children would be having weekly photocalls. And the Kents and Gloucesters would be put in some seaside retirement home.
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Considering the sexist, racist, homophobic comments I frequently see in comment sections (especially the Daily Mail) I hope those are not reflective of the British public.
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It's very difficult to explain the influence of the national tabloids on British public opinion to those who do not live in Britain. However it is real, and the Cambridges (especially William) are going to have to make some concessions in the future or the relationship will remain fractious, with what results we will have to wait and see.
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I've said it a hundreds times, if the comment sections of tabloids represented the real world, it would be a dismal place indeed.

As an experiment, click on any article in the DM other than royal related. The comments are the same. Just bitter and twisted people spewing bile from behind their keyboards.

I don't know a single person who comments on Mail Online
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:52 PM
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The current anti-William campaign has nothing to do with public opinion and everything to do with his relationship with the press.

If you asked the public if they think that William is doing a good job being an air ambulance pilot, the majority would say yes.

If you asked them is it better for him to be an AA pilot or attend a celebrity bash (ie BAFTA) there is no competition - pilot.

this is press royal journos fighting for survival, not the monarchy
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The current anti-William campaign has nothing to do with public opinion and everything to do with his relationship with the press.

If you asked the public if they think that William is doing a good job being an air ambulance pilot, the majority would say yes.

If you asked them is it better for him to be an AA pilot or attend a celebrity bash (ie BAFTA) there is no competition - pilot.

this is press royal journos fighting for survival, not the monarchy
I hope they signed a DNR.
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It's very difficult to explain the influence of the national tabloids on British public opinion to those who do not live in Britain. However it is real, and the Cambridges (especially William) are going to have to make some concessions in the future or the relationship will remain fractious, with what result we will have to see.
I lived and worked in the UK for 15 years. My wife is English and my children were born there.

There is no denying the fact, newspaper are in decline. Just last week the Independent ceased print operations. The Guardian is streamlining to cut costs and the Express may be sold.

On another thread you mention the Sun has 1.9 million subscribers. Seems like a lot.

In 2011, the year William and Catherine were married, the Sun had 3.1 million subscribers. A huge drop

In fact, in 2011, the Sun, Mirror and DM all had at least 2 million subscribers. Today not a single national daily newspaper has 2 million.

If people aren't buying what the tabloids are selling, its difficult to 'shape' public opinion, if indeed they ever did.

Regardless though, the royals aren't politicians. They don't pander for votes or give glib interviews.

When W&C celebrate their 5th anniversary in April or when Charlotte turns one in May, the papers will cover it wall to wall. No worries
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I'm not saying the British monarchy is fighting for survival nor denying that print media as a whole is in decline. I'm saying that William's relationship with national newspapers that are more popular with the public than broadsheets is fractured and is going to have to be mended; for the sake of him and the BRF as well as the tabs there should be a bit of give and take on BOTH sides.

As for the media covering anniversaries and the children's birthdays wall to wall, it depends on how much of the celebrations the press etc is allowed to see. Is there going to be a photo opportunity at these important markers, are official photographs by a professional photographer going to be taken and released, an interview on the wedding anniversary etc? It will be difficult to cover anything if it's all going to be behind closed doors.
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As for the media covering anniversaries and the children's birthdays wall to wall, it depends on how much of the celebrations the press etc is allowed to see. Is there going to be a photo opportunity at these important markers, are official photographs by a professional photographer going to be taken and released, an interview on the wedding anniversary etc? It will be difficult to cover anything if it's all going to be behind closed doors.
I know it's not intentional but it sounds like you're making a pornographic suggestion.
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Charlotte is going to be on the front pages when she turns one. It doesn't matter who takes the photos. I can take the pictures and the papers will still buy them

Maybe it's just me but I don't know anyone who says "well I'm not looking at Charlotte's photo unless if it's taken by a press photographer"

When Catherine was at the Gallipoli service, a veteran said to her how much he liked George's school picture. He didn't care if Kate took the photo
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