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Old 05-03-2018, 01:16 PM
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He's not restricted access when he's working. However, this is a private affair that they have the right to control access just like how we see photos of the Cambridge children. and there will be more than one set of camera in the church. There will be four or five photographers seeing them coming out of the church, so we will get multiple angles. And in this case, they could actually work out the better angles rather than pack everybody so close together and hope for a good shot.
His marriage is not an entirely private affair as the queen had to grant permission for him to marry (and whether any children have succession rights also depends on this official permission); without it, he would be out of his job
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:19 PM
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His marriage is not an entirely private affair as the queen had to grant permission for him to marry (and whether any children have succession rights also depends on this official permission); without it, he would be out of his job
At one point, the Queen had to grant permission to EVERYONE in line to the throne, never meant that everyone requiring her permission can't have a private wedding. This wedding has been classified as such, hence no bank holiday and no foreign dignitaries at all.
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:22 PM
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The flour or five photographers thing came from the NYT. The press and photographers in the U.K. have already said it will be just the PA outside in front of the church.

Photographers from other agencies are on the sides or along the route. Look back to when the Cambridges exited WA. There were all kinds of photographers there from all agencies not just one.
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:27 PM
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The flour or five photographers thing came from the NYT. The press and photographers in the U.K. have already said it will be just the PA outside in front of the church.

Photographers from other agencies are on the sides or along the route. Look back to when the Cambridges exited WA. There were all kinds of photographers there from all agencies not just one.
Does PA have only one photographer or something? Because there was quite a bit of chatter about how we won't get it from different angles and blah blah blah blah. So there goes that argument. Public isn't loosing out here. And again, public street and castle grounds are not the same thing. There are ways for the photographers to set up as soon as they get on street. If you can't stop them, manage them. And why does Harry have to give as much access as William? I seem to recall people saying he's not that important. Then fine, don't expect as much access.
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:33 PM
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Does PA have only one photographer or something? And again, public street and castle grounds are not the same thing. There are ways for the photographers to set up as soon as they get on street. If you can't stop them, manage them. And why does Harry have to give as much access as William? I seem to recall people saying he's not that important. Then fine, don't expect as much access.
The streets were closed off in 2011. No different from the castle grounds. I donít know why you keep saying public street as if people were coming and going.

Anyone outside WA was accredited and in designated press areas. Not just anyone could be there.
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Old 05-03-2018, 02:20 PM
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I think the crux of the matter lies in one simple sentence. When it comes to Harry and Meghan's wedding, *any* access at all is a privilege and not a right.

Its their day. They're planning it. They're going to be the ones getting married and who they invite to the wedding is their choice. Everyone else is basically a bystander with an interest in this couple tying the knot.
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Old 05-03-2018, 03:08 PM
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A media question about People's report that Tom Sr. is coming to the wedding. Sam and Jr have been going back and forth about their dad being invited. They recently landed on no. If the half sibs knew all along Dad was going and told the tabloids the opposite ( and took their money) how much exposure do DM and others have to a defamation lawsuit from KP?
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The streets were closed off in 2011. No different from the castle grounds. I donít know why you keep saying public street as if people were coming and going.

Anyone outside WA was accredited and in designated press areas. Not just anyone could be there.
So, no one can go to a different building and take pictures from there? Bottom line is to close a public street, there has to be special requirements, and the crowds are very much near WA with a good view. There is simply no way to deny access there.
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Old 05-03-2018, 03:11 PM
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A media question about People's report that Tom Sr. is coming to the wedding. Sam and Jr have been going back and forth about their dad being invited. They recently landed on no. If the half sibs knew all along Dad was going and told the tabloids the opposite ( and took their money) how much exposure do DM and others have to a defamation lawsuit from KP?
They wouldn't as they simply printed what was said by them. Saying their dad isn't going to the wedding doesn't come in the realm of defamation.
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Old 05-03-2018, 03:21 PM
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I seem to recall people saying he's not that important. Then fine, don't expect as much access.
You keep repeating this like everyone kept saying this which is untrue. At best it was a few people that said that and most did not agree with that stance.
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Old 05-03-2018, 03:34 PM
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@jacqui - even tabloids can be sued for reckless disregard to the truth and some have been. They still have some responsibility to make sure what they put out is accurate, i.e. vet your sources for credibility, especially when they make contradictory statements publicly.
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Old 05-03-2018, 04:21 PM
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At one point, the Queen had to grant permission to EVERYONE in line to the throne, never meant that everyone requiring her permission can't have a private wedding. This wedding has been classified as such, hence no bank holiday and no foreign dignitaries at all.
I know but recently they changed the rules and decided that Harry is in a position in which the Sovereign's involvement (and therefore the government's involvement) is required.

Moreover, Windsor wouldn't be completedly locked down to allow for a procession for a 'private wedding' nor would people all over the country be invited (by officials!) to join the celebrations at Windsor Castle if this was a private family event.
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Old 05-03-2018, 05:23 PM
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I know but recently they changed the rules and decided that Harry is in a position in which the Sovereign's involvement (and therefore the government's involvement) is required.

Moreover, Windsor wouldn't be completedly locked down to allow for a procession for a 'private wedding' nor would people all over the country be invited (by officials!) to join the celebrations at Windsor Castle if this was a private family event.
Again, just because sovereign’s involvement is required, doesn’t mean this is anything other than a private event.

You can invite and not invite anyone you wish to a private event. And last I checked, you can only get in the ground of Windsor Castle that day by invitation. It’s not that anyone can just show up without an invitation and be let in. The officials were asked to select the individuals. The ultimate invite came from the couple. It’s not like the public officials can just invite people on their own.

Like someone said earlier, the choice to share this day with public is their voice. No one is entitled to it.
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Old 05-03-2018, 06:20 PM
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Again, just because sovereign’s involvement is required, doesn’t mean this is anything other than a private event.

You can invite and not invite anyone you wish to a private event. And last I checked, you can only get in the ground of Windsor Castle that day by invitation. It’s not that anyone can just show up without an invitation and be let in. The officials were asked to select the individuals. The ultimate invite came from the couple. It’s not like the public officials can just invite people on their own.

Like someone said earlier, the choice to share this day with public is their voice. No one is entitled to it.
Happy to disagree on whether the sovereign's and government's involvement makes this marriage more than a private event (repeating 'again' your stance doesn't make it right (nor does me repeating my stance make my view the one and only right one)). To me it does, you apparently argue that this marriage is just like any other private event. The difference stems probably from the number of categories applied; to me there is more than '(semi) state wedding' and 'private wedding'; this one is clearly an in-between. If it wasn't, they should have approached it completely differently.

I agree that no one is entitled but the fact that they use public officials means that this no longer is a private wedding. A private couple would not be able to use public officials...

If they wanted the wedding to be private (which I am sure would have let to an outcry - so, it's far better for everyone involved that they don't make it a completely private wedding) they should not expect public officials to do the work for them nor expect all of Windsor to yield to their festivities just because they happen to marry at a private property.
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Old 05-03-2018, 06:59 PM
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IMO, this is Harry and Meghan's wedding and the Queen has given them the leeway to have exactly the kind of wedding they want. The decisions have been made and if some part of the media aren't happy, then they are quite welcome to give up their spots and don't turn up at the wedding.

But I think we all know that's not going to happen because they will still make money regardless!
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:25 PM
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Having searched back there were no "visible" private photographers in Westminster Abbey when William and Catherine got married and, to my mind, anyone with a lick of sense would know that allowing unlimited access in the church would just plain ruin the wedding.

As for outside coverage, walking out the door of the Chapel and being blinded by camera flashes used by photographers from all over the world sounds like the ultimate nightmare. I remember Meghan's "calm" deserted her on her first engagement with Harry when the got out of the car to a barrage of flashes. Even with red carpets and appearances for the show, she had never experienced anything anywhere like it and she grabbed onto Harry's arm like a limpet, totally disoriented.

Now think of exiting the chapel to that. Not going to happen. It was reported there would be four photographers immediately outside the chapel which is sensible and will allow them to get some good shots and not startle the horses! The fact that there will only be the one carriage will enable photographers along the route to get some really great shots.
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Old 05-03-2018, 09:03 PM
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Except a photographer who has covered royal weddings at St. Georges before have said there wasn't an issue of space at those weddings.
Things change, at least from how I view life. Rest assured not every photog who wanted to be at ANY royal wedding in the last 50 years was guaranteed to be let into the church.

Photogs who work for major press organizations are more likely to be given access. Either in church or outside. But the photog for my local paper will not be given space.

Stringers, or the photogs who do not work for a newspaper, but regularly sell to news outlets have always had limited access to royal weddings. The snappers who work to get photos that show the BRF in a bad light will be the first turned down. And stringers only make money off their own photos. Not all are Paps, but all are incentivized to get photos that will draw clicks (positive and negative photos). Stringers like Mark Cuthbert (just an example) take the high road, take favorable photos and make a very good living. Mark also understands how to use a camera and is an artist of sorts. JMO. There is a reason his photos are so often bought by newspapers.

Pool photographers are very normal for big BRF events. On overseas tours when access is limited, there IS ALWAYS A PHOTOG POOL (as well as a print reporter pool). It rotates about.

Stringers really are inventing an issue here. The public will get great photos from great photographers. This "issue" is fake news.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:17 PM
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I could be wrong but Arthur Edwards is the only royal photog I can think of that actually works solely for a newspaper. All of the ones Im familiar with via Twitter work for Getty, Rex Shutterstock, PA or are freelance. So photographers are being restricted for stories reporters are writing. Its odd IMO
The only change from William's wedding is that there is not a pen filled with photographers across the road from the door.

What a tremendously horrendous thing for Harry to do. Really? Harry has other things to worry about and TPTB do the best they can. Arthur is just a whinging creep who is incredibly disingenuous.

BTW: Which royal wedding did he cover at St Georges Chapel.
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Harry has other things to worry about and TPTB do the best they can.

BTW: Which royal wedding did he cover at St Georges Chapel.
What is TPTB?

Iím guessing Edward/Sophie and Charles/Camilla?
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:33 PM
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What is TPTB?

Iím guessing Edward/Sophie and Charles/Camilla?
And Peter/Autumn

Heís covered all seven major weddings since Ď81. Heís worked for The Sun since 1977.
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