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However, if there is too much private life and too little public then then the British public will lose interest. Queen Elizabeth once said, didn't she, that she had to be seen to be believed!

I think it was a very thoughtful article by Richard Palmer. Of course the media wants a touch of drama, of fireworks, but they and their readers also want to regularly see the younger generation of royals performing interesting engagements, interspersed with items from their private lives while they remain youthful, glamorous etc.

The Cambridges just need to realise that Royal children should be seen occasionally in the sort of videos that the Wales family did when William and Harry were small as that was very sweet; that family life with young children is seen as appealing, it connects with the public in a good way.

I think Palmer wishes the BRF well, and is just pointing out, from his perspective, where mistakes have been made over the past year. I don't think he's in any way a republican or enemy of the BRF, just rather worried because the younger royals' image has become rather blah and isn't selling newspapers as it once did.

And after all, much as we deprecate the tabloids at times they are a vital link between the royals and the public. (After all the Daily Fail's photos are superb!) And the relationship between the British media and royals should be a good one and not reliant on the Internet.
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We just saw pictures of George in January for his first day of school. There has been slightly more photos of Charlotte this past year compared to George's first year. Just like George will probably she more of her after she turns one. Both will probably be on the balcony and polo fields this summer.


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You do get a completely different view of children when they are laughing, running, talking and connecting with others though, than you do from a still photograph obviously, however nice the photo is.
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The fact that it was Palmer who wrote that is irrelevant - its true. Hardly any UK media mentioned Catherine's charity work this week and the Times only showed some tennis pix (photo-opportunity). Charles is supporting pub is the hub to keep rural communities alive - no mention apart from he fact he offered to buy a round for everyone. Camilla is championing literacy (fantastic) - absolutely no coverage. It isn't considered news by editors. Many of the journalists go on the UK trips, write pieces and they are never published. One sees Twitter comments but nothing in the press.

Its a shame but its a fact. Controversy sells, bad news sells and good news doesn't (unless one has overcome huge adversity).

We are interested but the majority aren't unless its scandal. And therefore in drawing a line, the Cambridges cease to be interesting.

I'm not saying I agree with it because I don't. But that is how here in the UK it is viewed - not by Richard or Camilla or Emily or Rebecca but by their Editors and Owners.
The question in my mind is that with all of the good they accomplish, and I do think that the Royal Family in Britain DOES a tremendous amount of good, how do they make the public aware just on social media? People who have an active interest (very few, really), will seek it out, but will the masses? If I'm not interested in the BRF, I don't follow any of their doings on Twiter or like or follow their Facebook. How does the average person (who makes up the majority of the public) remember why he/she wants a royal family?

These are honest questions. In this day and age perception is always more important than reality. Camilla can fight illiteracy day and night but unless there is proper coverage she gets no credit. Same with Kate and mental illness, etc, etc.
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A couple of random thoughts:

I am totally fine with the media reporting an annual tally of engagements and pointing out that the older royals work more than younger royals, I am OK with reporting that royals are transported to some of their engagements in helicopters, I am fine with reporting on a insider tip received about how much William works at EAAA. I think that the royals should have privacy and dignity in that their phones should not be tapped, hidden cameras should not be set up to spy on them nor should phalanxes of photographers be allowed to get in their and their nanny's personal space.

I am very much in the camp that royals should be visible but there is something about Richard Palmer's perspective that seems like a perversion, or maybe it isn't and it's just an inconvenient truth. He is basically saying that the model British Royal Family is one where young ones are expected to be glamorous and scandalous and, as if that is not enough, they need to make their kids available for photo ops, or better yet when some lucky photographer gets pictures of the kids out and about with the nanny, don't object to those pictures being on the front page of all the newspapers. However the young ones and the older ones should have charitable interests so that everyone involved in this scheme can feel good about themselves. To me this is adding up to the Beckhams being the model modern royal family.
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:52 PM
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A couple of random thoughts:

I am totally fine with the media reporting an annual tally of engagements and pointing out that the older royals work more than younger royals, I am OK with reporting that royals are transported to some of their engagements in helicopters, I am fine with reporting on a insider tip received about how much William works at EAAA. I think that the royals should have privacy and dignity in that their phones should not be tapped, hidden cameras should not be set up to spy on them nor should phalanxes of photographers be allowed to get in their and their nanny's personal space.

I am very much in the camp that royals should be visible but there is something about Richard Palmer's perspective that seems like a perversion, or maybe it isn't and it's just an inconvenient truth. He is basically saying that the model British Royal Family is one where young ones are expected to be glamorous and scandalous and, as if that is not enough, they need to make their kids available for photo ops, or better yet when some lucky photographer gets pictures of the kids out and about with the nanny, don't object to those pictures being on the front page of all the newspapers. However the young ones and the older ones should have charitable interests so that everyone involved in this scheme can feel good about themselves. To me this is adding up to the Beckhams being the model royal family.
I think Palmer is given a realistic view of UK press and what sells - that's not his "perversion" as you call it.

What he is saying is that insight into private lives sells. And in the same way it applies to celebrities, it also applies to the BRF. His publishers are in business to make money - it isn't anything else but a business. Look at some of the threads on here - past relationships; lovers; divorce; children outside marriage; fraud in Spain etc etc. People are interested.

He is frankly being incredibly honest about how it works in a business that isn't known for honesty. And ultimately it is about what many of the British public want to know about and its gossip and scandal.
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Old 02-26-2016, 10:33 PM
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I think Palmer is given a realistic view of UK press and what sells - that's not his "perversion" as you call it.
My full sentence was, ""

What he is saying is that insight into private lives sells. And in the same way it applies to celebrities, it also applies to the BRF. His publishers are in business to make money - it isn't anything else but a business. Look at some of the threads on here - past relationships; lovers; divorce; children outside marriage; fraud in Spain etc etc. People are interested.

He is frankly being incredibly honest about how it works in a business that isn't known for honesty. And ultimately it is about what many of the British public want to know about and its gossip and scandal.
My full sentence was, "I am very much in the camp that royals should be visible but there is something about Richard Palmer's perspective that seems like a perversion, or maybe it isn't and it's just an inconvenient truth. "

I agree that he is being incredibly honest but just because Palmer is being honest that doesn't mean that his perspective has to be embraced, or if it is let's recognize it for what it is which is coverage of the royals is a sub-set of celebrity reporting, which you also implied and why I also mentioned that this is adding up to the Beckhams being the model modern royal family.


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The question in my mind is that with all of the good they accomplish, and I do think that the Royal Family in Britain DOES a tremendous amount of good, how do they make the public aware just on social media? People who have an active interest (very few, really), will seek it out, but will the masses? If I'm not interested in the BRF, I don't follow any of their doings on Twiter or like or follow their Facebook. How does the average person (who makes up the majority of the public) remember why he/she wants a royal family?

These are honest questions. In this day and age perception is always more important than reality. Camilla can fight illiteracy day and night but unless there is proper coverage she gets no credit. Same with Kate and mental illness, etc, etc.
Do you buy The Sun? the Daily Express? I am guessing no since you are based in the United States. I get my royal news mostly from this site and the Daily Mail Online. While you may not follow social media there are people who do and then post their findings here. I think that the grievance being expressed is that Kensington Palace has their own social media presence and distributes to the masses via social media which cuts out the middleman, aka royal reporters. The question is why are these reporters truly put out, is it because there is something truly wrong with royals using social media, or is it because in doing so it undermines their livelihood, but not in a nefarious way, rather this is the way things are done in the 21st century.
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:03 PM
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The Royal reporters are using social media too. So it seems a bit hypocritical for one to complain about the royals using social media.




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I'll be interested to see how many Britons interest themselves in the BRF when newspapers are gone and social media rules the roost. As Cepe said unless you're interested in royalty you don't seek it out, and Facebook, Twitter, various Royal sites are going to be the haunt of a small percentage of the population.

At least with newspapers the royals are there sometimes, on Page 3 or wherever, and people can read the article or not, look at the photos or not. Magazines are also dying, so there'll be no comfort there for anyone at KP who would like to plant a human interest story with photos.

The royals will be confined to documentaries on TV, and not so many of them, and sound bites of a few minutes on the news if they do anything of interest. A brave new world indeed, and one in which the royal family may well be almost invisible.

Perhaps that's what some royals want, but a near-invisible royal family could well turn into a 'Well, we never see them anyway so what's the odds if they go' family within a generation.
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As a little boy, he would have learnt that his mother threw herself down the stairs when pregnant with him.

That her marriage to his father was so miserable that she developed bulimia and began cutting herself with razor blades.

When most children are dealing with nothing more complex than times tables, he would have been dealing with the fact that both of his parents were having affairs.

He must have known, mustn’t he? Because we all did.
As a teenager, his parents would be involved in an incredibly bitter and public divorce. Both of them would appear on national television admitting to infidelities.

At 15, he would have to walk behind his mother’s coffin in front of two billion people after she was killed in a car crash that many crazy conspiracy theorists would blame on his family.

Like it or not, the Royals are the beating heart of this country – and I’m completely thrilled that they are now represented by a young family comprised of a stay-at-home dad and a mum who goes out and does most of the work. (I mean, come on, the Duchess of Cambridge is *everywhere* at the moment.)

We should be impressed that Prince William is standing his ground and ensuring that Prince George and Princess Charlotte have the kind of childhood he didn’t. He is a king I will one day be proud to have.
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Old 02-27-2016, 10:15 AM
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From the article, I think this section has impressed me the most.

"Like it or not, the Royals are the beating heart of this country – and I’m completely thrilled that they are now represented by a young family comprised of a stay-at-home dad and a mum who goes out and does most of the work. (I mean, come on, the Duchess of Cambridge is *everywhere* at the moment.)"

Ok. So many people can read this and shout "workshy!" "doesn't want his royal responsibilities!" and lets Kate go running wild around the country doing her thing. This is not what I see. What I see is teamwork. This is a family that rightly puts the home and children first and William isn't above staying home with the kids when Kate is needed to bring attention to the issues she's involved in.

What better example of promoting mental health for children than practicing what they preach and ensuring that a parent is never away for long from their children? How many young parents are going to look to W&K and see what works for their family and strive to do likewise? Sure, there will be times when both parents are needed and away (the India trip for example) but I am sure both George and Charlotte will "see" their parents daily by the wonders of Skype or other means.

This couple have a very active life but to me, they're doing a pretty good job of balancing home life, professional life and royal life. That's quite a juggle in my book. We really don't see 85% of it and base our diatribes against this couple on the small percentage of what is known in the public venue and by the rantings of the media.
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Yes, I rather like the expression of a 'stay at home dad'. Why shouldn't he be a parttime parent together with his wife, they can afford it. My husband lamments the fact that he can't spend more time with his children because he has to work to pay the bills.
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According to reports, he puts in a paltry 20-hour week as a pilot with the East Anglian Air Ambulance service. To make matters worse, last year he carried out just 122 engagements, compared to his grandmother’s 341 and his father’s impressive 527.

Kensington Palace sources blamed this on Civil Aviation Authority rules, which dictate that pilots need a certain amount of rest days – but the CAA quickly rubbished this, by saying that pilots are free to do whatever they want on these days as long as it doesn’t involve flying.

Even so, he snubbed this month’s glittering Bafta show, despite being president of the organisation. “A lot of people, particularly the Americans, couldn’t believe he wasn’t there,” a guest at a Kensington Palace nominees party told Vanity Fair. “I heard Angela Bassett say, ‘Where’s William? This is his house. Isn’t he coming?’ She was pretty disappointed. Most of the guests I spoke with thought William would at least pop in.” Poor Angela!

Call me a giant softie, but if the worst the Duke does in life is stick two fingers up at a bunch of pampered primadonnas so he can stay at home with his wife and young children, then, frankly, fair play to him.

Because if I had even a smidgeon of his experiences as a child, I can tell you now that I would be riddled with fear and self-loathing – with several thousand spells in rehab under my belt.

I certainly wouldn’t have settled down with a nice woman who works tirelessly to champion children’s mental health charities, and nor would I have produced two sweet, smiling kids. I would have locked myself away in a room full of money, cocaine and prostitutes before shrieking: “To hell with this cruel, dark world – there’s no way I’m bringing children into it!”

This is why I will forgive Prince William and his brother Harry almost anything. I will forgive the Nazi fancy dress costume, and the nights of partying in Las Vegas. I will forgive William’s alleged hatred of the press because… well, I think I would hate the press, too, in his shoes.

And it is why I wince when I hear commentators say that they both need to grow up and move on from their mother’s death, because why on earth should they?

She was their mother, their actual living, breathing mother who they only got to reach out and touch for an astonishingly short period of time, all things considered. (William is now really not that far off the age that Diana, Princess of Wales was when she died.)

To them, she wasn’t just a mad old royal they read about in Hello! magazine. She was mum.

As the Queen’s 90th birthday approaches, I fear that criticisms of the young royals will only increase. But it is important to remember that, as brilliant as our monarch is, she has had to make huge personal sacrifices along the way.

When Prince Charles was a boy, Her Majesty was absent so often that he is said to have not recognised her when she returned from one particularly lengthy trip. Can you really blame William if he doesn’t want that for his own children?
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Excellent article...(eta not sure why it didn't quote)....and to put it further if he was gone all the time working both jobs people would be criticizing him for abandoning his family! Just like they did Charles. You can't make everyone happy..I'd tell them all to Naff Off and do as I liked.


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Excellent article...(eta not sure why it didn't quote)....and to put it further if he was gone all the time working both jobs people would be criticizing him for abandoning his family! Just like they did Charles. You can't make everyone happy..I'd tell them all to Naff Off and do as I liked.


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Basically, that's what I see them doing. Going about their lives and doing what follows their plan and paying very little attention (if any) to the constant barrage of media articles about every aspect of their lives. The only input they take into serious consideration comes from the higher powers that be in the Firm. As William once said “As I learned from growing up, you don't mess with your grandmother."
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^^^Good post Osipi. IMHO the Cambridges and Harry have known that like the brothers' parents, grandparents and other relatives, they would one day be on the receiving end of less than pleasant press coverage. Royal reporters have been grumbling for several months now so I believe they knew if was coming, though I do believe that the tabloid's insistence that William's Foreign Office signaled support for the EU took them by surprise. (Especially since the text of his speech revealed that he never mentioned Europe.)
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^^^Good post Osipi. IMHO the Cambridges and Harry have known that like the brothers' parents, grandparents and other relatives, they would one day be on the receiving end of less than pleasant press coverage. Royal reporters have been grumbling for several months now so I believe they knew if was coming, though I do believe that the tabloid's insistence that William's Foreign Office signaled support for the EU took them by surprise. (Especially since the text of his speech revealed that he never mentioned Europe.)
Even if he had mentioned Europe explicitly, he would not have been the first royal to take a pro-EU position. Both Queen Beatrix and King Albert II are known for example for having come strongly in favor of European integration and against local right-wing isolationist parties in their televised, end-of-year messages.
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