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Old 08-22-2014, 01:58 PM
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So there is no proof that she will be princess consort...just the same old stuff that was bandied about before their marriage.
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Old 08-22-2014, 02:51 PM
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We'll see how everything goes once that big event gets here. It's going to be interesting though.
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So there is no proof that she will be princess consort...just the same old stuff that was bandied about before their marriage.
It comes straight from the official website

Will The Duchess become Queen when The Prince becomes King?
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As was explained at the time of their wedding in April 2005, it is intended that The Duchess will be known as HRH The Princess Consort when The Prince of Wales accedes to The Throne.
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Old 08-22-2014, 03:19 PM
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It comes straight from the official website

Will The Duchess become Queen when The Prince becomes King?
Shouldn't that settle it, then? It would not be a good move for Charles' first act as monarch to be going back on his word. (If that sentence is ungrammatical, forgive me, and correct me. Thanks.)
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Old 08-22-2014, 04:16 PM
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The Monarchy under Charles

This issue has been debated heavily already, and even has its own thread - Will and should Camilla use the title of Queen when Charles becomes King?

To recap - it has been said that Camilla will be Princess Consort. This isn't because of her desire to not be Queen but rather an attempt to appease the masses when the wedding happened - people had their Diana fanaticism and their Camilla hatred. Things have changed in the time since then.

In order for Camilla to not be Queen legislature has to be passed in order to strip her of the title. If Charles wants to issue LPs making her a Princess in her own right he can, but unless Parliament decides to strip her of the title - which has wonderful implications doesn't it? - then she will be Queen.
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Old 08-22-2014, 04:36 PM
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Reading between the lines, it does seem that some folks on this board don't want Camilla to be Queen. How silly. Good reason for Camilla to call herself Duchess, but no reason at all not to be Queen.

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Old 08-22-2014, 05:13 PM
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Reading between the lines, it does seem that some folks on this board don't want Camilla to be Queen. How silly. Good reason for Camilla to call herself Duchess, but no reason at all not to be Queen.

Thank you, Ish.
Yes, there are some who don't want her to be Queen. I think she'll make a good consort no matter if she's called Her Majesty or remain Her Royal Highness.
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:32 PM
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It's not about whether or not she'll make a good consort. We already know she'll make a good consort as she's done a good job as his wife so far. What people are questioning is her suitability to be Queen - there are people who can't get beyond her being the Mistress and Diana being the wronged woman.

There are huge problems with Camilla being the Princess Consort. The two biggies:

1. Legislature is required, and possibly in multiple realms - is the King of Canada's wife automatically Queen of Canada? If so, then she has to be stripped of that title too, and so on through all the realms. Do these parliaments really need to spend time on the issue of stripping one woman of a title on the grounds that she was once a mistress?

2. There is absolutely no tradition of morganatic marriage in Britain. While times and traditions change, it is absolutely ridiculous for Britain in the 21st century to decide to introduce morganatic marriage when other realms are moving away from it as it's archaic.
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:42 PM
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More simply put, if I may Ish?

A woman always takes all her husband's names, titles etc. Camilla is doing that now as the Duchess of Cornwall - the title Charles has held since 6th February, 1952 (while he wasn't created Prince of Wales until 1958).

For her not to be The Queen is to deny her the same right as every other woman and that is not only against tradition but no other woman would be asked to not take her husband's titles - even if she has a higher one in her own right e.g. Princess Alexandra is also Lady Ogilvy and is referred to as both in the CC.

In some realms it may even been illegal to deny a woman her husband's titles and styles - it would be the same as saying to a woman 'you have married Mr John Smith but you can't call yourself Mrs John Smith for xxx reason'.

The sooner they drop that reference on the website the better - just to an update of the website and not include that question and answer.
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:45 PM
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Beautifully put, Bertie. I always love when you expand on and clarify things.
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:49 PM
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More simply put, if I may Ish?

A woman always takes all her husband's names, titles etc. Camilla is doing that now as the Duchess of Cornwall - the title Charles has held since 6th February, 1952 (while he wasn't created Prince of Wales until 1958).

For her not to be The Queen is to deny her the same right as every other woman and that is not only against tradition but no other woman would be asked to not take her husband's titles - even if she has a higher one in her own right e.g. Princess Alexandra is also Lady Ogilvy and is referred to as both in the CC.

In some realms it may even been illegal to deny a woman her husband's titles and styles - it would be the same as saying to a woman 'you have married Mr John Smith but you can't call yourself Mrs John Smith for xxx reason'.

The sooner they drop that reference on the website the better - just to an update of the website and not include that question and answer.
They've updated the website before but that fact remains that when Charles becomes King, Camilla will be titled HRH The Princess Consort. It's not only pointed out on Charles's official website but also on the official website for the British Monarchy as well. I think if that plan change, it'll be closer to the Coronation.

HRH The Princess Consort have a nice ring to it though.
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:54 PM
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Dman, do you even bother to read the well constructed reasoning for why the title is a problem before you tell us how the Princess Consort title sounds good and it doesn't matter because Camilla will do a good job either way?
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:59 PM
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Dman, do you even bother to read the well constructed reasoning for why the title is a problem before you tell us how the Princess Consort title sounds good and it doesn't matter because Camilla will do a good job either way?
Yes, but I just go by what's officially stated.
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Old 08-22-2014, 06:01 PM
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This Princess Consort thing is an aberration. A spit in the face of tradition.
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Old 08-22-2014, 06:18 PM
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HRH The Princess Consort have a nice ring to it though.
Just for Camilla or does it have a nice ring to it when applied to Catherine also? If the law and/or tradition is to be changed then it has to be a consistent application.
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Old 08-22-2014, 06:20 PM
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What is officially stated is that "it is intended" that she will be known as Princess Consort. Intentions do not always convert to actions.
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Old 08-22-2014, 06:25 PM
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So true Cinrit.

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Just for Camilla or does it have a nice ring to it when applied to Catherine also? If the law and/or tradition is to be changed then it has to be a consistent application.
It's has nothing to do with Catherine because the reasoning don't apply to her.

I just like the sound of the title though.
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Of course it should apply to Kate if they are going to change the law then it needs to be for all future consorts and not just one - both male and female.
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Of course it should apply to Kate if they are going to change the law then it needs to be for all future consorts and not just one - both male and female.
Catherine isn't in the same position as Camilla. Camilla's past is totally different from Catherine's past. So, no, none of this applies to Catherine.
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