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Old 02-24-2014, 02:07 PM
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Recently thinking about Charles as King. I personally think that the under his rule, the Royal Family [including all the nieces, nephews, aunts & uncles] will be drastically cut to the bare bones when it comes to public events and money spent by them from the till. Privately, they will all still be family and enjoy certain perks, but certain activities by younger family members will not be favored and he will turn his back publically. I truly believe he will run a tight ship.
That can't be a bad thing. A smaller, more focussed family, with clearly identified roles.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:06 PM
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Given the 1000s of invitations to do things that are already turned down due to not being enough time to cover them even more invitations will be turned down and they only do around 4000 a year between 15 working members now (or an average of 266 per year which allowing for normal holiday periods and weekends words out at fewer days per year than school kids spend at school). An engagement can be as short as half an hour.

To cut back further those who are working and realises that due to the amount of preparation we are told goes into those engagements - and for a half hour - 'received in audience xxxx on the occasion of them relinquishing their position as yyyy' which is a very formal occasion doesn't take much more than half an hour of briefing first.

As the Sovereign Grant is expected to cover the expenses of official engagements of all members of the royal family - having fewer members would mean getting less value for money and would also mean a lot of the smaller organisations and events who get a lot of pleasure out of seeing a minor royal would lose out.

I don't see a role for Beatrice or Eugenie but I do think Charles will need to keep on his brothers and sister along with the Gloucester's but I do expect to see Harry leaving the army sooner rather than later and for him, his wife and the Cambridge's will need to be doing around 500 each a year, which is only being done by Anne and Charles these days.

There is no replacement coming through for another 25 or so years - and I don't see George being able to spend his 20s having a life as William has had as he will be needed at a much younger age and even earlier if Charles cuts out his siblings.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:18 PM
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The "Firm" at the moment is just too big, IMO. The main focus should be on The Queen & Duke of Edinburgh, the Prince of Wales & Duchess of Cornwall, Duke & Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry of Wales. I totally understand the roles other members of the royal family play but I think the focus needs to be on the major players within the royal family.

I think once the focus of the "Firm" is trimmed, then they can bring a new vision to the official British Monarchy Website as well. I think at the moment the website lacks vision, focus and it's not updated in the way it should be. I think it really reflects the way the "Firm" is currently setup. I just think some changes are needed and pretty much overdue for the royal family.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:35 PM
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The "Firm" at the moment is just too big, IMO. The main focus should be on The Queen & Duke of Edinburgh, the Prince of Wales & Duchess of Cornwall, Duke & Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry of Wales. I totally understand the roles other members of the royal family play but I think the focus needs to be on the major players within the royal family.

I think once the focus of the "Firm" is trimmed, then they can bring a new vision to the official British Monarchy Website as well. I think at the moment the website lacks vision, focus and it's not updated in the way it should be. I think it really reflects the way the "Firm" is currently setup. I just think some changes are needed and pretty much overdue for the royal family.
I think Charles will let nature take it's course. IT will cause upheaval if he ascends the throne and then tells 100's of charities, we aren't going to support you. He is already making adjustments to his own patronages but in a very low key way.

If he can get some decent advisers in to manage the Duchy of Lancaster as he did with the Duchy of Cornwall, he could afford to pay for the extended family.

I've noticed that the Wessex's are travelling overseas a lot re Duke of Edinburgh scheme and that the organisation is extending its fund raising. Sophie specifically is raising her profile.

As for the web site grrrrrr! That's got nothing to do with the family but the restructuring of the staff. As with many organisations going through change, performance drops and then comes back stronger. I understand it, but that doesn't mean I like it.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:37 PM
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How is the focus of the Firm not on the main line and Harry right now? Further more, why should the focus right now not also extend to the Queen's children, who do far more than Charles' children?

I tend to side with Bertie on this; forcibly downsizing the Firm isn't going to actually benefit the institution of the BRF as it means that they'll be able to do considerably less. I do think that in the future, as the Gloucesters and Kents do less, we'll see more of a role for Beatrice and Eugenie develop, but I don't believe that they'll ever play such a role that they'll steal focus from the main line. Furthermore, I can't see what William or Harry have done so far that justifies why the focus should be on them more than on someone like Anne, who has done far more to dedicate her life to the Firm.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:40 PM
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The focus is on the main line but that doesn't mean we have to cut out the supporting cast.

Why should Harry be a focus when he is only in the same position as Andrew, Edward and Anne - a younger child? Or why should they be thrown out when they are no longer the children of the monarch but merely the siblings?

The cousins of The Queen are aging, particularly the Kents with the Duke 80 next year and Alexandra the following year so they won't be around forever but that is over 200 engagements right there that would have to be picked up by someone else or a lot of people would be disappointed at missing out on a chance to meet a Prince or Princess.

The Gloucester's are the same age as Charles and Camilla give or take a year or so. Throw them out and there is another 500 engagements not being doing and a lot more disappointed people.

The Kent's and Gloucester's often go to the smaller places and even realms on behalf of The Queen which allows the mainline to concentrate on the bigger realms and not have the smaller ones feel left out.

Anne, Andrew and Edward with Sophie do about 1500 engagements between them annually so even more disappointed people if you cut them out.

Can William, Kate and Harry really pick up 2000 between them and then add in the 400 that The Queen and Philip do and you see why Charles' sibling will still be needed.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:53 PM
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While some people may grumble at how large The Firm is going by the numbers Iluvbertie has mention the extended family is needed to prop up those at the top, unfortunately it doesn't appear that the younger generations are remotely interested in doing royal duties but perhaps that would change once Charles is on the throne.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:04 PM
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I'm 100% with Ish and Iluvbertie on this.

Charles is far from stupid and he will take things very slowly in the beginning. He will have 2 main objectives - both already in train. Camilla (enough's been said already) and royal finances. The financial issues he faces are serious and they wont be sorted out by getting rid of a few royals who are paid for anyway out of the Duchy of Lancaster budget. He has a gift for getting in good financial people and I should think he's already on the case.

As for the younger generation - some of you don't like it but we have been told what is happening there so we can't say we don't know. William is in a "transitional" year; Catherine is minding George; and Harry is still a full time soldier.

I am accepting what has been said by the Palace, but I expect a change come September.
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As for the younger generation - some of you don't like it but we have been told what is happening there so we can't say we don't know. William is in a "transitional" year; Catherine is minding George; and Harry is still a full time soldier.

I'm not trying to critique the younger generation here - the arguments on that have been made elsewhere and we don't need to go into it again.

The problem with the idea of focusing more on the main line and Harry than on the Queen's younger children or even her cousins isn't a case of "the Cambridges and Harry don't do much, so why focus on them" so much as others have done a lot and as such have earned recognition. The Cambridges and Harry will do more in the future and really will be the stars of the show, but we should be acknowledging those who have done a lot for the Firm in the past with significantly less recognition - the Queen's cousins - and those who continue to do a lot for the Firm now - her younger children and daughter-in-law. To simply shove them aside in favour of focusing on the Cambridges and Harry who haven't yet put the time in is rather disrespectful to the supporting cast.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:42 PM
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I'm not trying to critique the younger generation here - the arguments on that have been made elsewhere and we don't need to go into it again.

The problem with the idea of focusing more on the main line and Harry than on the Queen's younger children or even her cousins isn't a case of "the Cambridges and Harry don't do much, so why focus on them" so much as others have done a lot and as such have earned recognition. The Cambridges and Harry will do more in the future and really will be the stars of the show, but we should be acknowledging those who have done a lot for the Firm in the past with significantly less recognition - the Queen's cousins - and those who continue to do a lot for the Firm now - her younger children and daughter-in-law. To simply shove them aside in favour of focusing on the Cambridges and Harry who haven't yet put the time in is rather disrespectful to the supporting cast.
I agree - I was responding to Victorian-Dandy's comment.

Regardless of media verbage, for all we know Harry may stay a career soldier and only be part-time (like Duke of Kent); we assume he'll get married but even if he does, if the Cambridges are anything to go by she wont be active for the first 3-4 years.

There's an old military (artillary) expression about getting over heavy ground as lightly as possible. That is what Charles will want to do so I think keep what you know works (or should that be "who" works)
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I'm not saying The Queen or even Charles should drop off the other members of the royal family. I totally understand and appreciate the great work and dedication they've done for they're patronages, Charities and other organizations but I'm just saying that the focus should be on the main principle members of the royal family more.

The older royals work far much harder than the younger royals, so I think The Queen and the palace PR team got it right during the Diamond Jubilee. That Buckingham Palace balcony appearence set just the right tone on how the current face of the "Firm" should look like. The younger royals should be stepping up they're game.

I hope there's a new staff that will come in under Charles's reign. The official website for the British Monarchy needs a major makeover. If I was on the staff running the site, I would throw some fresh ideas in that would bring that site to life. I would also throw in the idea of the principle members of the royal family doing an official photo shoot (formal and casual) for the website. Those professional pictures would also be used in their official engagements page. There should be a real vision behind the website instead of just putting anything up there because they need one.
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Except for the failings in updating the CC the British monarchy website is fine - up to date photos of major engagements of the major royals most days with appropriate stories attached.

I am hopeful that the issue with the CC, which hasn't been updated for nearly a week now, will be fixed soon but...
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By younger members I meant those like Beatrice and Eugene who are a bit further down the ranks but who could replace the various cousins, aunts and uncles. I must admit I have very little knowledge of the more modern and younger royals since my main interest lies with the historical and older generations of the royal family.

Though I totally expect William, Kate and Harry to pick to the pace over the next year or so and even moreso once Charles is monarch
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Except for the failings in updating the CC the British monarchy website is fine - up to date photos of major engagements of the major royals most days with appropriate stories attached.

I am hopeful that the issue with the CC, which hasn't been updated for nearly a week now, will be fixed soon but...
I think the website has some major issues that needs to be worked out. I think some of the members of the staff are getting paid but sleeping on the job. The staff needs to get hip with the new age of technology. I'm talking about updated official pictures, more video content and even Live stream links. I'm just touching on the basics.
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I'm kind of with Dman on this one. I don't think royal.gov.uk is really the best site. It has an outdated feel to it. They'd be better off updating it do be something more along the lines of Charles' and Andrews' websites. I also don't think it'd be off base if Anne and Edward followed Andrew's lead with their own sites as well.
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They put up new photos most days when there are official engagements carried out so how more regularly would you like them put up.

They aren't celebrities and hence they don't stream - and many of their engagements involve rather boring things to stream anyway - such as the regular received xxxx on relinquishing their position as yyy and then received aaaa on taking up the position as yyyy. Small talk isn't interesting for the average person to watch.

I really don't know what they would stream - a speech, a receiving line, a walkabout where they meet the crowds, - rather boring really.
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I'm kind of with Dman on this one. I don't think royal.gov.uk is really the best site. It has an outdated feel to it. They'd be better off updating it do be something more along the lines of Charles' and Andrews' websites. I also don't think it'd be off base if Anne and Edward followed Andrew's lead with their own sites as well.
Yeah, the site should be updated and more content added. I think its a good idea for Anne and the Wessexs to have their own websites.
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We still need an overarching monarchy site - we mustn't lose that. A go-to place for engagements, how monarchy works, orders etc - the stuff that's on the existing one.

They dont need one each. They need a section within the single site. They could do what the Cambridges have done. Their own URL that takes you to their pages on the PoW site. Otherwise it will be a nightmare - and also time consuming for the royal office.
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They put up new photos most days when there are official engagements carried out so how more regularly would you like them put up.

They aren't celebrities and hence they don't stream - and many of their engagements involve rather boring things to stream anyway - such as the regular received xxxx on relinquishing their position as yyy and then received aaaa on taking up the position as yyyy. Small talk isn't interesting for the average person to watch.

I really don't know what they would stream - a speech, a receiving line, a walkabout where they meet the crowds, - rather boring really.
I think the principle royals should take official pictures for the site band for the pictures to be used in the future engagements lists. I think for some of their official engagements, there should be a live stream video. May not for all of their official engagements but for some special engagements. Trust me, some people will be watching the stream. The idea is allowing the people to see you on the job and meeting the people live .
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When Charles is King, he will be paying for Himself, Camilla, Harry +Harry Family, Andrew, Anne, Edward and Sophie. Plus the palace staff, hospitality and building repair and maintenance which it right now at a backlog. I am assuming that the Duke of Kent, Princess Alexandria and the Gloucesters retire from royal duties by the time of King Charles III.

I would think that Charles would do like the Queen is doing now with most of the engagements in the UK and short trips abroad. William and Kate would then do the long haul around the globe trips.
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