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Old 03-18-2013, 05:36 PM
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You obviously don't know much about this Prince. The Prince of Wales leads an outdoor lifestyle - that would account for his complexion. In all the years of people being negative about this man, no one has ever accused him of drinking too much.
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You obviously don't know much about this Prince. The Prince of Wales leads an outdoor lifestyle - that would account for his complexion. In all the years of people being negative about this man, no one has ever accused him of drinking too much.
Nor did I.
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Nor did I.
I know you didn't. I was just underlining the fact that his complexion is about his outdoor lifestyle; not roseacea or alcohol.
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There was a similar topic like this on another message Forum (Except it more abput the furutre of the English Monarhcy). This is what I wrote:

Sorry for this long post. t I wanted to add some stuff

1. I like Prince Charles. I have always like him but I have came to like him more over the last few years especially during the Diamond Jubilee last Year. I like the Documentary (Family Videos) he did and the Tribute he paid to his Mother at the Jubilee concert you could tell that Queen Elizabeth got a little emotions (genuinely moved) but she held back. You could tell he love his mother and that there is special bond there. I think Charles will make a Good King and will do a Good Job, his private life (The Diana/Camilla thing) should not get in the way of it or should not stop him. He is not the first King and will not be the last to have affairs and make mistakes before they came to the throne or after acceding. There are King who did much worst things then Charles ever did! I am not trying to open up another can of worms but Diana had her faults as well and cheated also let not forget (Diana was nice person but I never understood why some made her out to be some saint). obviously they both had their faults but Some peoples need to move on and let it be history. Camilla seem like a decent person to me. I have came to soften up to her more but not totally. I think Charles will make a fine King when it his time. He was raise by two Great Parents (Queen Elizabeth and Philip) The Queen was raised King George VI and The Queen Mother (Elizabeth) who I am sure prepared Elizabeth before she became Queen and The Queen Mother no doubt had a influence of her daughter up until the day she died and mostly likely had the same influence on Charles in preparing him. Charles is most trained Ready King you could have in my opinion. He has had his whole life to prepare. Whether peoples like it or not Charles will be King when The Queen dies even if he is 64 or 77 or even if He is only King for 1 years or 20 years. it won't matter because Charles is next in line not William And the first in Line to the throne to succeeds which it state in the Succession Law of the Act of Settlement .


2. There are some resisting Similarities/Parallels with Elizabeth/Charles and Queen Victoria/Edward VIII. The Mother (Victoria and Elizabeth) Having Long rein spanning more then 60 Years and then their heir/Oldest Son (Prince of Wales Edward and Charles) Being Party Animals (Mainly Edward) and having Mistresses, their Actions, causing scandals and embarrassment for their Mothers and putting the Monarchy Image at risk. Victoria blamed Albert death on her Son Edward Pretty much did not give him anything to do at all and did not share any information with him and he was pretty much in the dark so he went out and had affairs and Partied which did not make his Mother happy at all (As well as his actions and Countless Scandals he caused which she believe that he was trying to ruin the Monarchy after she ahs spent Years restoring it) and she believe that he did not have what it took to be A King and did not think that he was suitable to be king She loved her Son but he disappointed her at times. She did Question his suitability. Many people in Britain did not want Edward VII To be King either and did not thing he was suitable enough part of it had to do with his many mistresses, Scandals and partying ways. But in the End when Edward VII Came to the throne he proved his Mother and The Peoples of Britain wrong and he became a Successful and Popular King! Edward VII said that in order for the Monarchy to survive into the 20th century it had to change and Re-form it self. Victoria and Edward had a Difficult Relationship and she wasn't sure about the Future after she wads gone but in the End I think she would be Happy with what Edward did.

Same thing can be said with Elizabeth and Charles who at times over the years have been said to have had Difficult periods in their relationship (Mainly during the whole Diana thing). Elizabeth not allowing Charles to marry who he wanted and then the whole Charles-Diana-Camilla story. Charles and Diana Marriage falling apart, Cheating on each other then going to the press and airing their dirty laundry to the public/press, books and Leaked Taped Phone calls come out threatening the Monarchy. It was found out that Charles Had been seeing camellia for the entire marriage, Diana gives the infamous interview in 1995. Queen Elizabeth was not happy at all with what Charles and Diana were doing (Cheating, Airing Dirty Laundry in public/Press, Trashing each other, Playing Blame game, etc). She then told them to divorce. Diana was killed in 1997 and The Royal Family was Harshly and Unfairly Criticize I think! I think the queen handled that right. Diana was made to look like a Saint and Charles was made to look evil. Peoples blamed Charles which is not fair. The Monarchy Images was almost ruined but it survived and recovered! A lot of peoples do not want Charles to be King mostly because of what happened in the pass and Camilla. It had caused some problems between Mother and Son at certain times. Elizabeth has given Charles more to do and let him go out o his thing but not a lot. Elizabeth (Like Victoria) had been said to question Charles suitability as a King at times but in the long Run I think she believes he will do okay. I think some also question Charles suitability as King(Like Edward) and pretty much when ask why they dont want him to be King the Answer is because of Diana-Camellia. You have to better then that. Many, Many Kings over the years has affairs (Including Edward VII) and Beheaded their wives and they were still popular or successful. Charles will do good Job and Will make a King. He has been training for the job for more then 60 Years now and all you have to do is go back and look at what he has done. He will prove peoples wrong just like King Edward VII. Like Victoria Queen Elizabeth love her son but is not always happy at the choices he make or the things he does but I think every parent is like that at times.


3. think The British Monarchy will last for a long time. Charles will do a Good Job and William will be Popular. The British Monarchy in times of Controversy and Scandals always recovers and it image is never completely damaged or tarnished. It popularity may have dipped a bit at times but it always remains high and it recovers Eventually Like in the 1870s (Including what I said above about Edward and as well as the fact there was a Republican Movement going on in which Victoria became Unpopular because she would not be seen in public eventually she was forced to come out into the public and The Movement died down and Eventually she became very popular again) or in 1980s and 1990s with all the Scandals, Controversy, affairs, Divorces going on. The Popularity of the Monarchy has never fallen below 60% in the last 70 Years and today it still very Popular(Now above 75%) with lot of Support for it. Elizabeth is now more Popular then she has ever been( Much like Victoria was at the end of her rein) Charles Image has been improved. The British Monarchy is now Very Popular with strong supports and also stable again after the 1990s.

4. It would really take a Huge Scandal or a Massive Controversy or embarrassment to really knock down the British Monarchy and abolish it! The British Monarchy is still the Most Popular and famous Royal Family in Europe and in the World. It will be the last one standing of all the current Royal Families in the world( And Europe) and the last one to ever fall!

Remember they already abolished the Monarchy once in 1649 when Charles I was beheaded but was restored 11 Years later in 1660 with His Son Charles II.

Much Like Victoria-Edward VII-George V Which was In order Long rein, Short rein and Geroge V had a Long Rein (But still much shorter then victoria. Charles will be a short rein and William will be longer then Charles but much shoter then that of Elzbaeth.
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While there are similarities between Edward VII and Charles, I wouldn't say that history is repeating itself.

Victoria came to the throne at a very young age after the short reign of her uncle, William IV. She did not save the monarchy, that can be attributed to her uncle, she just provided her nation (and empire) with a stability in the monarchy. I would even go so far as to say a lot of the early successes of her reign can be attributed to the influence of her ministers and husband - Victoria was a woman who allowed herself to heavily influenced by both - while in some way the continued existence of the monarchy during Victoria's later reign can be attributed to the then Prince Albert-Edward, who gave the monarchy a presence in the UK while Victoria was in perpetual mourning. The idea that Prince Albert-Edward would not be a good king himself came from the fact that he was a playboy prince who was not trained for the role of monarch. In actuality, his short reign was very successful and he did a lot to establish the monarchy (and royal duties) as we know them today. Far more than his mother, he can be seen as having saved the monarchy.

Like her predecessor, HM came to the throne at a young age, and when combined with her own good health, that age can be attributed to her long reign. She has proven to be much better suited for her role than Victoria was, and despite some scandals during her reign she had proven to be a good monarch. Her son, whatever his personal issues have been, has been shown to be the most well trained heir apparent in the history of the British monarchy. There is little reason to believe that he will be an unsuccessful monarch (in contrast to the reason to worry about the success of the then Prince Albert-Edward), nor should we expect that his reign will be short - or that the reign of his son will be longer.

Despite HM's recent health problems, there is little reason to believe that she will not reign for another 10-15 years (at which point she will be 97-102). Assuming she reigns for another 15 years, Prince Charles will be almost 80 when he becomes king, but there's no reason to believe his life won't be long either - at that point his mother will have lived to be over 100, like his maternal grandmother did, his father has so far lived into his 90s (presumably with years to come). We have no reason to believe that Charles himself won't live to be 100 as well, giving him a 20 year reign. Right now he is older than Edward VII was when he became king, and in better health.

We don't really have reason to believe that William will live as long as his paternal grandmother (or as long as we can expect his father to live). Yes, paternally William's family has been long lived, but both his maternal grandparents died before their 70th year. Furthermore, unlike his father, William has been a smoker and as such is less likely to have good health in his old age. If his grandmother lives another 15 years, then William will be 45 when his father becomes king, and if Charles rules for 20 years then William will be 65 when he becomes king. As he's lived life more like Edward VII did, I wouldn't expect his reign (at that age) to be longer than 15 years. If all of that happens, then by the time Baby Cambridge will be 50. If Baby Cambridge is anything in lifespan like the late Queen Mother and what we can project for HM and Charles, then perhaps Baby Cambridge will have an especially long reign of 50 years.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:49 PM
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You obviously don't know much about this Prince. The Prince of Wales leads an outdoor lifestyle - that would account for his complexion. In all the years of people being negative about this man, no one has ever accused him of drinking too much.
Haha,well-said! The Prince obviously has sensitive skin and if you dont use an oily cream outdoors you get red cheeks.I find red cheeks quite attractive but I am battling with rosacea because like Charles I spend lots of time in the nature and often forget to use my lanolin facial cream...
HRH is definitely NOT an alcoholic,he just loves to be outside and spend his time in a natural environment which is showing in his face.
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While there are similarities between Edward VII and Charles, I wouldn't say that history is repeating itself.

Victoria came to the throne at a very young age after the short reign of her uncle, William IV. She did not save the monarchy, that can be attributed to her uncle, she just provided her nation (and empire) with a stability in the monarchy. I would even go so far as to say a lot of the early successes of her reign can be attributed to the influence of her ministers and husband - Victoria was a woman who allowed herself to heavily influenced by both - while in some way the continued existence of the monarchy during Victoria's later reign can be attributed to the then Prince Albert-Edward, who gave the monarchy a presence in the UK while Victoria was in perpetual mourning. The idea that Prince Albert-Edward would not be a good king himself came from the fact that he was a playboy prince who was not trained for the role of monarch. In actuality, his short reign was very successful and he did a lot to establish the monarchy (and royal duties) as we know them today. Far more than his mother, he can be seen as having saved the monarchy.
I agree with your observations of Q. Victorias reign but I would not attribute so much of her success to other people.Yes,she came at the right time and was in the right place,she had the luck of working with highly intelligent politicians and good advisors-but it was also her who chose to LISTEN to them and Victoria who sought out the best advice-this is also an acchievement and something that takes good instict,strategic thinking and intellect.

Nowadays I see many politicians with a lot of smart,educated and experienced advisors-but would they listen to them?
No!They mostly do what they think is the right thing to do or what they think will give them good PR and a good chance to get re-elected.
(Not applying to all politicians,but in Austria it seems to be quite the norm!)

Q Elizabeth II has also heavily relied on good advisors and always tried to get as much information as possible to make a well-informed decision-some ppl call her the best-informed person in the British Empire because she is always reading every newspaper and special reports that are sent to her in a red suitcase (it was shown in a documentary).

Prince Charles is more independent and relies more on his own instinct and intuition than his advisors-he is also not afraid of speaking his mind and saying things that are more controversial and get discussed heavily by the public.

On the contrary-both Queens tried to be balanced and as little controversial as possible.They wanted to have a stable,peaceful empire with content citizens and the most important thing was to smoothen conflicts of interests and balance different political ideas that could have made UK more unstable from within or lead to fractions within the Royal family.They are rather conservative & pragmatic while Charles is not afraid to think out of the box and risk doing things in a new way (which might fail),or finding a creative approach to problems that have yet to be solved.

At least thats how I see it,but its just my personal observation.
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When Edward VII came to the throne, the people needed a little party in their king. The many gloomy years with QV were long. The people wanted happy times. KE was "the Uncle of Europe.". He lived at some of the best years of Monarchy in Europe, and died right before it almost all died.
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When Charles is King, is he likely to continue to invite Princess Margaret's son and daughter and their families to Balmoral and Sandringham each year as his mum currently does, or is he more likely to focus on just his parent's descendents?

The Queen doesn't invite her own cousins, the Kents and Gloucesters.
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I expect there will eventually be changes in the guest list which is only natural I think with any change in generations and leadership. Even now I believe the Linleys and the Chattos are only at Sandringham for Christmas every second year.
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When Charles is King, is he likely to continue to invite Princess Margaret's son and daughter and their families to Balmoral and Sandringham each year as his mum currently does, or is he more likely to focus on just his parent's descendents?

The Queen doesn't invite her own cousins, the Kents and Gloucesters.
Did George VI have similar house parties like these which the Kents and Gloucesters attended during his lifetime but ceased attending after his death? I don't know. If he did, and they stopped going, there would be a useful precedent. Otherwise, my feeling is that since they have been a part of those festivities for so long, Charles might continue to invite the Linleys and Chattos, though making it clear that there is no pressure on them to attend. If there is no precedent, it might be perceived as rude of him to suddenly stop asking them to do something that has been a feature of their lives for so long, especially if they enjoyed it, and I don't think Charles would be rude in that way. However if the Chattos and Linleys only go now out of a sense of duty, they might be delighted to be able to decline.
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The Gloucesters and Kents joined the royal family for Christmas at Windsor early in The Queen's reign but when she moved the Christmas celebrations to Sandringham they stopped attending and attend just the 'family' lunch before The Queen decamps to Sandringham each year. She continued to invite her sister of course because The Queen Mum always attended so of course Margaret's children went to be with their mother and grandmother and she has continued the invites. The Queen is quite close to her nephew and neice but I am not so sure that Charles is as close to all his siblings and their children as The Queen was to her sister and still is to David and Sarah.

I could see Anne continuing to be invited along with her children etc but no so sure about the younger brothers and their children as I don't get a sense that Charles is that close to Andrew and Edward and their children.
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Coming from a family where the children span 18 years from oldest to youngest, I think many people underestimate the closeness of the children and their families.

Just because we don't actually see them doing the old continental air kisses at regular intervals doesn't mean that they only get together for official occasions. The Olympics gave us a rare glimpse into their private lives and if we took the time to run through the different threads and align them I think we would be a little surprised.

Harry joining the York's during their annual skiing trip and, a few years ago there were fantastic shots of Zara planting herself on Uncle Charles lap at Ascot!

And the extended family is an interesting mix as well. Camilla's granddaughter seemed quite familiar and happy to let Charles pick her up and hold her so she could see over the balustrades of the balcony after Willam and Catherine's wedding. Check out the fun shared by Princess Ann and Prince Harry at the Horse Jumping.

In short, I think they are closer than most families because they share a particular and somewhat peculiar lifestyle. Who else understands just what and pushes their buttons and how they handle it. Who else can they be themselves with in the sure and certain knowledge that it will not appear on Twitter or Facebook?
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Despite all the images we see of the younger members of the family etc we don't see much interaction, if any, between Charles and his own younger brothers and their children. His children might interact and obviously he interacts with Anne but it is rare to see him, even on official occasions, with Andrew or Edward and even less often, if ever, with the York girls - and we do have a report of him calling them 'twits'.

As Charles will be monarch I can see him not having his own siblings present every years for Christmas - and even including Camilla's children and grandchildren - on occasions.
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It seems some people believe that the PoW does not like sny of his own family and intends to cut them out of as much as possible once he comes tp the throne. I dont think we have any hard evidence of any animosity between the siblings or anything to substantiate claims that they will be cut out when he is king.
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Despite all the images we see of the younger members of the family etc we don't see much interaction, if any, between Charles and his own younger brothers and their children. His children might interact and obviously he interacts with Anne but it is rare to see him, even on official occasions, with Andrew or Edward and even less often, if ever, with the York girls - and we do have a report of him calling them 'twits'.

As Charles will be monarch I can see him not having his own siblings present every years for Christmas - and even including Camilla's children and grandchildren - on occasions.
I think Camilla's children and grand children will certainly become regulars - perhaps every alternate year to allow them to see other in-laws and APB. I think you will continue to see Charles' siblings continue, and perhaps even the Linley / Chatto cousins. They all seem reasonably close. William and Catherine are hardly likely to have borrowed David and Serena's home in France if they were not close.
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Good point. On the "evidence" of what we see in the media we could have been expected to believe that there was no interaction between these members of the BRF on any level whatsoever.

Nevertheless, we would have been wrong!
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When Charles is King, is he likely to continue to invite Princess Margaret's son and daughter and their families to Balmoral and Sandringham each year as his mum currently does, or is he more likely to focus on just his parent's descendents?

The Queen doesn't invite her own cousins, the Kents and Gloucesters.
I think he will - Charles has always been close to his cousin Sarah (one of my favourite pics of him is he and Sarah dancing an impromtu Scottish reel outside at Balmoral when she was about 8 yrs old), and don't forget it was at Viscount Linley's home that the infamous "topless" pics of Kate were taken (her and Wills were staying there at the time). So obviously, they must be close to him as well.
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Despite all the images we see of the younger members of the family etc we don't see much interaction, if any, between Charles and his own younger brothers and their children. His children might interact and obviously he interacts with Anne but it is rare to see him, even on official occasions, with Andrew or Edward and even less often, if ever, with the York girls - and we do have a report of him calling them 'twits'.

As Charles will be monarch I can see him not having his own siblings present every years for Christmas - and even including Camilla's children and grandchildren - on occasions.
If he is smart - he will consider not only what he wants -but what is good for the family. I think at Holidays - it is a simple gesture to invite family so that they can see ONE ANOTHER, not just me. That's what family leaders do.

I do hope he continues the tradition of "silly" gifts at X Mas.
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The other thing is - do the others want to spend time with him?
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