The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > British Royals

Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #761  
Old 08-12-2011, 07:15 PM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,445
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kataryn View Post
You think it would only be 50 persons?
No I don't - I said there were 50 ahead of George I. That was in 1714. I didn't say there were 50 ahead of Charles now. As I said there would be heaps ahead of the current royals without the Act of Settlement.

Quote:
I doubt that as both daughters of Henriette Anne d'Orleans (daughter of Charles I.) and the children of her successor Elisabeth Charlotte d'Orleans (second wife of the duke d'Orleans and daughter of Sophia's eldest brother) alone were quite prolific. All current French pretenders from the Orleans-family have a better claim without the 1701 Act than Charles. And these are only the descendants of Philippe d'Orleans, the only son of the Duke d'Orleans. Then there were the girls.... Not the least Elisabeth Charlotte, who became the mother of Franz I. Stephan of Lorraine - thus all living Habsburg-Lothringens have a Jacobite claim before Charles....
Somehow I believe all other (catholic) Royals of Europe might have a better claim than the Windsors if it wasn't for the Act of Settlement...

Obviously as there were 50 or so ahead of George I with better blood claims there would be 1000s with better claims than Charles without the Act of Settlement.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #762  
Old 08-12-2011, 10:26 PM
MARG's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posts: 3,979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata4711 View Post
I've no problems with "Charles the Third" as a regnal number - although I object to him actually becoming King.
I am confused. It's OK to be Charles III but not KIng?
__________________

__________________
MARG
"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are assaults of thoughts on the unthinking." - JM Keynes
Reply With Quote
  #763  
Old 08-13-2011, 06:21 AM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: alpine village, Germany
Posts: 1,804
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iluvbertie View Post
No I don't - I said there were 50 ahead of George I. That was in 1714. I didn't say there were 50 ahead of Charles now. As I said there would be heaps ahead of the current royals without the Act of Settlement.




Obviously as there were 50 or so ahead of George I with better blood claims there would be 1000s with better claims than Charles without the Act of Settlement.
You're right, I misunderstood your post. Of course - but doesn't the fact that all Habsburgs living today including all descendants of Habsburg-Archduchesses have a better Jacobite claim than Charles is absolutely astonishing?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #764  
Old 08-14-2011, 01:48 AM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,445
Quote:
Originally Posted by MARG View Post
I am confused. It's OK to be Charles III but not KIng?

Remember that Renata has said on another thread that she hopes the Queen actually has to attend the funeral of her first born child. The actual wording was something like 'hopes the Queen outlives Charles'.

Armed with that knowledge about Renata I read her comment to mean that she doesn't want Charles to ever be King but also accepts that he probably will be and thus when that day arrives will accept his regnal name as Charles III.

I really find it sad that anyone would want a mother to have to mourn her own child but also wants to see William and Harry lose their remaining parent while they will still have young children who will lose their only remaining paternal grandparent.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #765  
Old 08-14-2011, 02:51 AM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: alpine village, Germany
Posts: 1,804
I have very much harder feelings on thinking that someone wishes Charles' death before his mother dies. That is disgusting.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #766  
Old 08-14-2011, 05:03 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
That's all very well for those of you who won't have to live under "Charles the Third".

Over the years I have listened to endless comments from friends and strangers, to the effect that these people want the Queen to outlive PC.
I will spare you the verbiage they used...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #767  
Old 08-14-2011, 05:16 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,106
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata4711
That's all very well for those of you who won't have to live under "Charles the Third".

Over the years I have listened to endless comments from friends and strangers, to the effect that these people want the Queen to outlive PC.
I will spare you the verbiage they used...
I'll have to live under Charles III and I'm very glad of it. To be honest, I'm not surprised by the comments you've heard, considering where you live.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #768  
Old 08-14-2011, 05:29 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
No Scotland-bashing, please. We're only a small country :-)

In any case, the First Minister has already reacted positively to the idea of retaining the Monarchy if Scotland becomes an independent state.

My guess is that a majority of Scots would have no problem with allegiance to Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland.

But I'm not so sure about her son...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #769  
Old 08-14-2011, 05:32 AM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: alpine village, Germany
Posts: 1,804
Considering what the Scots accepted from their Stuart-kings, Charles will be a great exeption as a peace-loving, positive man.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #770  
Old 08-14-2011, 05:53 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
Considering what the Scots had to put up with from the "English" over many centuries, almost anybody would be acceptable.

And, in many ways, Charles is what you say he is. And more...

But we can't really have a king who will still be known for the Camillagate incident.
Look at Google - about 224,000 results.....

It would make the British Monarchy a global laughing stock - all over again.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #771  
Old 08-14-2011, 05:56 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,106
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata4711 View Post
No Scotland-bashing, please. We're only a small country :-)

In any case, the First Minister has already reacted positively to the idea of retaining the Monarchy if Scotland becomes an independent state.

My guess is that a majority of Scots would have no problem with allegiance to Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland.

But I'm not so sure about her son...
Umm where was I 'bashing' scotland? Nothing like your England bashing the other day.

I stand by what I say, all this not so sure about allegiance to Charles is no surprise considering where you live. I would expect the same from the Welsh and Northern Irish wishing for independence from our country and our Monarchy.
The fact that you've openly wished for Charles to die before his mother is shocking, you must really either hate the man or love his mother.
If Scotland does not want Charles as it's monarch then they can cry for independence and have it listened. If they don't, then Charles will be King of Scotland when the time comes. You should have faith in your people and your government to carry out your rather cruel wishes.

This is a thread about The Monarchy under Charles, allegiance to QE2 means nothing if she's gone.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata4711 View Post
But we can't really have a king who will still be known for the Camillagate incident.
Look at Google - about 224,000 results.....

It would make the British Monarchy a global laughing stock - all over again.
Actually if you bothered to look past 'Camillagate', you would see that Charles is worthy and more to be your King. "We can't really have" - this does make me chuckle.

What do your Google results mean exactly?
You're just showing again and again, what I said. Your dislike of the monarchy links more to where you come from. It's a real shame.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #772  
Old 08-14-2011, 06:13 AM
MARG's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posts: 3,979
Don't you think it a tad infantile to spend your time fanning the flames of a not too interesting, and more than a little passé, 20 year old "scandal"?

Most normal adults have moved on with their lives and look back on the vicissitudes, not to mention indiscretions, of their past's with more than the occasional cringe. Charles is our Prince of Wales, he is not being elected Pope, so why is it that you can't allow him the same privilege?

Is your personal animus of such a deep and abiding hatred that you wish him dead, sometime in the not too distant future? For Her Majesty to bury her son just so you can satisfy your own persona agenda?l If so then I think it time you took stock of exactly what sort of person it is that would personally hold such a vile and misanthropic belief. persuasio

As to it making the British Monarchy a global laughing stock - all over again? People of the above persuasion are enough to make the world shake it's head in disgust.

Oh by the way, I googled Camillagate and I only got 45,300, coming up a few hundred thousand short but I am sure that those of your persuasion are industriously racking up the numbers to validate your claims.
__________________
MARG
"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are assaults of thoughts on the unthinking." - JM Keynes
Reply With Quote
  #773  
Old 08-14-2011, 06:23 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
It's not a question of what I think, but what the community (or communities) at large think(s), and will think in the future.

Perception is important, even vital, for any person in high office.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #774  
Old 08-14-2011, 06:27 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,106
I didn't know communites at large disliked Charles in Scotland. They are keeping quiet.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #775  
Old 08-14-2011, 06:37 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
Remember this "Telegraph" article from 2008 ?

Prince Charles may never be King Charles - Telegraph
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #776  
Old 08-14-2011, 06:46 AM
MARG's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posts: 3,979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumutqueen View Post
I'm confused, are you talking to me? If so, I don't get why?
I wasn't fast enough on the reply and didn't realised I had posted unfinished. Your entry beat me to it and I was, of course, referring to Renata4711!
__________________
MARG
"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are assaults of thoughts on the unthinking." - JM Keynes
Reply With Quote
  #777  
Old 08-14-2011, 06:46 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,106
A 3 year old article that doesn't really say much about people's opinion of him, particularly not up north as I said.

Death may strike any member of the royal family, today, tomorrow, next week - of course for Charles every birthday is a wait but you can't exactly use his mothers age as a reason for him not to be King. Every birthday is another year for Charles to prove he is worthy of being King, in my opinion anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MARG View Post
I wasn't fast enough on the reply and didn't realised I had posted unfinished. Your entry beat me to it and I was, of course, referring to Renata4711!
I am glad, you got me all confused. :)
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #778  
Old 08-14-2011, 07:23 AM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,445
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata4711 View Post
Remember this "Telegraph" article from 2008 ?

Prince Charles may never be King Charles - Telegraph

Yes I do - nothing much there at all.

Nothing to suggest that he won't be King or that people don't want him to be King.

What is says is that his is about to turn 60 and that he realises that the years are passing and that maybe he won't be King. Nothing to suggest that there is a groundswell of opinion to that effect.

Charles made a bad marriage but that doesn't mean he will make a bad king. If everyone who made a bad marriage was to be denied the right to do their job about half the population would be unable to work.

He will be a fine king because he has shown as Prince of Wales - to quote the article to which you have referred us - "He really cares. He always has," said the official. "He does not just moan about it. He gets on and tries to do something about it. He wants to change things. He could have been a different Prince of Wales but he has chosen to wear his conscience on his sleeve and take on causes, even though he knows people sometimes mock him."

Sure the article talks about his fears about not becoming King and his fears that he will be overshadowed by his sons, particulary William but also shows that there is a great deal of love between father and sons and that also leads to another concept - do you really think that William wants the job while his father is alive. William clearly adores his father and wouldn't want to hurt him that way - and effectively end the relationship with his only remaining parent, which is what would happen.

Unfortunately there are some people on this board, and in the wider world, who can't get passed the fact that Charles is alive, Diana is dead and that William and Harry actually love both their parents - not just Diana and think that by hating Charles they are preserving Diana's memory and showing support for Charles' sons by hating Charles.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #779  
Old 08-14-2011, 07:52 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
I cannot - for the life of me - imagine anyone wanting to "hate" Charles.

He is a nice chap in very many ways, I'm sure. Of course his family love him, and he loves them, and he's been lucky to have Camilla.

He's the epitome of an English country gentleman.

I admire all his achievements, especially the Prince's Trust and all the projects listed under The Prince's Trust and The Prince's Charities, Patronages and Causes

I share his interest in organic gardening:
Prince Charles's interest in organic farming and gardening

My contention was - and is - and always will be - that he is not suited to be King.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #780  
Old 08-14-2011, 08:21 AM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,445
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata4711 View Post
I cannot - for the life of me - imagine anyone wanting to "hate" Charles.

He is a nice chap in very many ways, I'm sure. Of course his family love him, and he loves them, and he's been lucky to have Camilla.

He's the epitome of an English country gentleman.

I admire all his achievements, especially the Prince's Trust and all the projects listed under The Prince's Trust and The Prince's Charities, Patronages and Causes

I share his interest in organic gardening:
Prince Charles's interest in organic farming and gardening

My contention was - and is - and always will be - that he is not suited to be King.

Your posts have always come across as very much a 'I hate Charles' and you have also stated that you wish him to die before his mother I am sorry if that isn't what you meant but it is certainly the way they read to me.

I would love to know why you think he isn't suited to be King. He has the best training and preparation of any King in history and has been dedicated to the service of his country since he became an adult.

What more could you ask of a man than what he has done for the last 40 or so years?

Sure he could have been like Edward VII and do nothing (because he wasn't allowed to do anything) but he chose to forge a role for himself that involved helping the people of Britain in their 1000s while waiting for the job for which he has been trained since birth by his mother. If he isn't suited then his mother has failed in her duty - to train him to be suitable.

He has spoken his mind on some issues - certainly - but as Prince of Wales he is actually allowed to do so but he also knows that as King he won't have that right (William will).
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
british, camilla, charles iii, charles of wales, coronation, crown jewels, duchess of cornwall, legacy, prince charles, prince of wales, queen camilla, titles, william v


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Monarchy in Greece Fireweaver The Royal Family of Greece 287 08-24-2014 07:56 AM
Monarchy vs Republic marian Royalty Past, Present, and Future 327 06-12-2014 06:11 PM
The Monarchy after Elizabeth II ysbel British Royals 311 12-29-2012 04:36 PM
The Monarchy And The Media Alexandria Royal House of Norway 12 04-08-2004 04:06 PM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
birth bourbon-parma charlene chris o'neill crown prince felipe crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events engagement fashion grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta elena infanta sofia jewellery jordan kate middleton king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg ottoman picture of the month pieter van vollenhoven pom prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince floris prince maurits prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess alexia (2005 -) princess anita princess ariane princess beatrix princess catharina-amalia princess charlene princess laurentien princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess mary princess of asturias queen anne-marie queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit wedding



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:51 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]