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Old 06-14-2011, 02:24 PM
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I think that when Charles does become King, appearances at the major family events will pretty much remain as they are now. As the years go by, I imagine that we'll even see Beatrice's and Eugenie's children on the balcony pretty much as we now see the descendants of Princess Margaret. I think Charles has a deep respect for his lineage and won't be one to want to change protocol and traditions very much. Downsizing the number of working royals is one thing as some get older and retire and some younger ones not even expected to work for the "Firm" is one thing but I think Charles will be a stickler for preserving the royal lineage along with all the historical pomp and circumstance.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:34 PM
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In addition, this is the one time that the junior junior royals (the great grand children of George V) get to enjoy the Palace. Most likely as they age, they won't be regular visitors to BP.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:47 PM
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Very interesting! Thanks Osipi, Zonk and, of course, Lumutqueen, for sharing your thoughts. It's so interesting to me to think what might change and what might stay the same. Also weird to me to think about what things they have control over and what things they don't.

Seems kind of sad for Beatrice and Eugenie to sort of be phased out of a familiar childhood place...but I guess that's just the way it goes, and I guess they are prepared for it knowing that they are not in the direct succession line (unless something were to happen to Charles, William (before he has children) and Harry (before he has children)).
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Old 06-14-2011, 03:26 PM
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The only thing that will affect Beatrice and Eugenie when Charles becomes King is the idea that they won't be doing royal duties. Personally, I don't see that happening but maybe they will be part time royals.

The York girls have never lived at BP, they might have stayed at Kensington Palace when their parents were married but I would expect that Andrew will keep The Royal Lodge when Charles becomes King so while they probably won't live there I can see them still having a room. I believe both girls have rooms/apts. at St. James Palace and I can't see that changing either, they might continue to use it as a London base when they marry and eventually start their families and buy new homes.
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Old 06-14-2011, 03:59 PM
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As for the families of Kent and Gloucester, Prince Edward and Prince Richard are the only ones that really perform any official duties for the Queen.

Their children are not entitled to the HRH, and are styled as the children of non-royal dukes.

When the current Duke of Kent and Duke of Gloucester die, their heirs will inherit just like any other peer's heir apparent.. and Kent's sons are excluded from the succession in any case - as are their children - only his daughter, Lady Helen Taylor and her children, are still in the line of succession.

The Earl of Ulster is rarely seen in public, and his sisters also lead their lives as private citizens.. so I see them gently fading into the background when Charles becomes king.

Although they still may attend family gatherings, they are too far removed from the royal family to perform any official duties.. but as it looks now, both ducal titles are secured with an heir for at least two generations (counting the present heirs).
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Old 06-14-2011, 04:20 PM
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The kids on the balcony were Eloise and Estella Taylor, Lady Margarita Armstong-Jones, Lady Louise Windsor, the Taylor boys were on the left hand side. Laura, Harry, Tom, Sara and their children are not royal and are not in line to the throne. They are there own people, private citizens. Just with a future Queen Consort as their mum.
I wonder if things would have been different if Philip's sister had not married Germans but British nobles? Would Elizabeth asked them out on the Balcony then as her in-laws to enjoy the Fly Over?
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Old 06-14-2011, 04:34 PM
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I honestly don't think it makes a different if they were German or English subjects. The people on the balcony are members of the extended extended British Royal Family (and even if that is a dubious claim), a majority of them are in direct Line of Succession and those that aren't are their spouses.

The claim could be that you won't see some of them but I don't imagine that Charles will tell the Kent and Gloucesters that their years of service mean nothing and you cant bring your grandchildren for a special treat at the Palace but most likely you wont' see Senna Lewis age 15 or her kids standing at the balcony. In addition, Charles is Marina's godfather and as is the Earl of Ulster or Lady Davinia.
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Old 06-14-2011, 06:38 PM
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The only thing that will affect Beatrice and Eugenie when Charles becomes King is the idea that they won't be doing royal duties. Personally, I don't see that happening but maybe they will be part time royals.

The York girls have never lived at BP, they might have stayed at Kensington Palace when their parents were married but I would expect that Andrew will keep The Royal Lodge when Charles becomes King so while they probably won't live there I can see them still having a room. I believe both girls have rooms/apts. at St. James Palace and I can't see that changing either, they might continue to use it as a London base when they marry and eventually start their families and buy new homes.

I know Beatrice has an appartment at St James' but that is because she lives in London full time as a uni student there.

Andrew has an appartment at BP, which he has had all his adult life and that is where Eugenie stays when she stays in London overnight I believe. I have also read that on the door of that apartment the title says TRH The Duke and Duchess of York - at Andrew's insistence and that Sarah still has an entry to that apartment.
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Old 06-14-2011, 06:52 PM
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Goodness Iluvbertie...Andrew is a much braver man than I thought...I had no idea that the door to his BP residence still reads "TRH" even though Sarah was stripped of HRH years ago...and that she can theoretically come there and stay anytime she pleases as Andrew's guest...!!

Can or will that change when Charles becomes King?
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:53 PM
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Goodness Iluvbertie...Andrew is a much braver man than I thought...I had no idea that the door to his BP residence still reads "TRH" even though Sarah was stripped of HRH years ago...and that she can theoretically come there and stay anytime she pleases as Andrew's guest...!!

Can or will that change when Charles becomes King?

I would presume that Charles can decide which members of his family will have apartments in BP when he is King - currently I think he is the only one of the Queen's children who doesn't have an apartment there - but maybe Anne doesn't either. I am sure that I have read somewhere that Anne has an apartment in either BP or St James'.
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Old 06-18-2011, 09:45 PM
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I have a feeling the monarchy will never feel the same when the Prince of Wales becomes king, to me at least. He seems so extravagent and then there is his environmentalism!! I have a funny feeling one of the many things he will do is encourage the politicians of the day in environmentally friendly legislature. Wich is great, but he should know the limits of the crown. He may want to change the system from red boxes to recycled brown paper bags!!

Also the attitude towards him may soften in the press and with the public with the new position. With the title of soverign comes respect and admiration, both genuine and by default as owed to the soverign. We all want to see the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on the throne, but I prefer the natural order to be observed and see Charles as king, to enjoy finally getting there. I loathe him otherwise but he deserves to be called king after a lifetime of waiting.
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Old 06-18-2011, 10:16 PM
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Well, I have encounter a wonderful TV documentary about the Prince of Wales's charity work . Let's hope people in Britain will become more aware and proud of all of it as they should.



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Old 06-18-2011, 10:36 PM
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We all want to see the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on the throne, but I prefer the natural order to be observed and see Charles as king, to enjoy finally getting there. I loathe him otherwise but he deserves to be called king after a lifetime of waiting.
Must disagree.

I know a number of people who don't want the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on the throne - they are called republicans and don't want anyone on the throne.
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Must disagree.

I know a number of people who don't want the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on the throne - they are called republicans and don't want anyone on the throne.
Or those that think the duke and duchess haven't done anything of real substance yet to justify them getting the throne. They have yet to get their hands "dirty". Maybe here in a few years they will start to really get involved in some events. Right now I get the impression they throw on some nice clothes (or not depending on your fashion opinion) and go out to give a photo-op. I don't get those kind-of vibes from royals like the queen, prince Charles or princess anne.
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Or those that think the duke and duchess haven't done anything of real substance yet to justify them getting the throne. They have yet to get their hands "dirty". Maybe here in a few years they will start to really get involved in some events. Right now I get the impression they throw on some nice clothes (or not depending on your fashion opinion) and go out to give a photo-op. I don't get those kind-of vibes from royals like the queen, prince Charles or princess anne.

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At the moment the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are celebrities. Eventually they will be looked at as royals and their work will be judged accordingly. They are a breath of fresh air, being young and entering into matrimony without any baggage. Charles is the next regent and he has spent a lifetime preparing for it. He will do a great job. No reason to believe anything else.

When the day comes and William becomes the King he will be equally prepared and if monarchy is still an option in Great Britain then he will ascend the throne.
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At the moment the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are celebrities. Eventually they will be looked at as royals and their work will be judged accordingly. They are a breath of fresh air, being young and entering into matrimony without any baggage. Charles is the next regent and he has spent a lifetime preparing for it. He will do a great job. No reason to believe anything else.

When the day comes and William becomes the King he will be equally prepared and if monarchy is still an option in Great Britain then he will ascend the throne.
The only way they will be judged as royals is if they start being more involved in their duties. So far they don't show as much interest in that aspect of their lives. Maybe it is the lack of those royal duties that makes me feel like the only duties they are doing are the ones they want to but sometimes we have to do the things we don't want to do as well. They have yet to prove that they have an unselfish side in that regards. This is something that they could learn from the senior royals. What is it they say...one must always appear interested even if one is not.

Even this upcoming tour doesn't sit well with me. Maybe its the big deal everyone is making about an overpriced dinner cooked by celebrity chef Giada. Sorry but I just don't hear as much about the senior royals doing such things. Then again the Queen seems to avoid that aspect of life as much as she can. I think that is a good thing. It shows she knows what is important in life.

Hopefully as the tour progress we will get more than just staged pictures and see a genuine effort to achieve something besides helping along the fashion industry.
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Sorry, there is nothing this family does that has any great value to life itself. The Queen does what she was taught to do, which is basically, nothing, but smile, be polite and cut ribbons. She has lived her life in an exemplary fashion and is very astute to politics. She appears interested, but is she, and, if she is not who needs her. Prince Charles and Camilla do whatever it is they do. Camilla very little and Charles fashions himself as an critic of architecture. Many architectshave little respect for him. Yes, he was proponent for organic farming, but, then again, he can afford, the hand service. The Cambridges seem far more real. Kate is not full of herself and has a good sense of balance. She is not waited on hand and foot.
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It's clear some are not separating the hype from the people themselves. The media, will always hyperventilate about something new. It's up to the person reading all to separated fact/fiction/fantasy. This has happened before, and will keep happening. Nothing shocking.
Also why compared a couple barely in their thirties to someone who has at least some extra 30 years of experience? To compared son and father at their current state is too off, IMO.

HM won't live forever, if things stay as they "should" Charles will be king and then William. Only time will really tell how one hold "against" each other, in the mean time, let us not put the carriage before the horses
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