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Old 11-23-2010, 04:22 AM
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Sure, but you (generally speaking) can't really compare a monarch at the turn of last century with one who is yet to inherit. A different time with very diferent issues to face.

If you read the press from the 1890s and even a week or so before Edward inherited and on the day of his accesion there were serious doubts being raised about his ability to do the job and where or not it should be passed to his son. No one expected him to do the job as well as his mother and even some of the Cabinet, e.g. Asquith, thought he wasn't up to the job but he proved them all wrong. He was a wonderful king.

Charles is far better prepared for the job than Edward ever was, despite waiting about the same time period. Like Edward there were incidents that raised questions - for Edward the couple of court appearances and subsequent scandals, along with the array of mistresses paraded through public places etc.

Edward is the best example as his life is very similar to Charles in length of time waiting, popular wife, mistresses etc and if Edward could rise to the job with no training the Charles will be fine.

Edward, like Charles, would speak his mind to politicians and even wanted to vote in the House of Lords to ensure a bill on housing reform was passed - he wasn't allowed to pass and the reform bill failed to get up. Each wrote letters to politicians about the issues of the day but Charles from a more informed position I think.
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:30 AM
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I see your point and note the said parallels.

But it remains that the temperement of society, politics and the world in general is far removed from Edwardian England.

Ultimately, time will tell. I should hope that for his sake, hes reign is one which shall be well remembered, even if it should be rather short in comparison.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:18 AM
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If you read the press from the 1890s and even a week or so before Edward inherited and on the day of his accesion there were serious doubts being raised about his ability to do the job and where or not it should be passed to his son. No one expected him to do the job as well as his mother and even some of the Cabinet, e.g. Asquith, thought he wasn't up to the job but he proved them all wrong. He was a wonderful king...
I too like the parallels.

There is a big difference though between Charles and Edward.

Although the politics of his realm will basically be just that.. of his realm, this man that will be King also lives in an age where things can happen instantaneously as the rock we live on shrinks more and more into a global society.

I do think that as a future king, Charles is very much aware of global effects not only green/ecology wise, but also the importance of retaining what is historic and fitting ala his architecture passions and a myriad of other things that he's doing with the Prince's Trust for the whole of the nation. His once time quote said he'd like to be "Defender of Faith" (did I get it wrong again Bertie??) tells me that with the influx of different races and creeds making up a good portion of the UK, he respects them as well as have studied some of them.

The downfall to all of this is that it IS a globalized media madness. Its been quickly found out that "dirt" on a person sells a lot more papers than giving an autograph for the first time ever does.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:40 AM
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I somewhat older than you and as I wasn't part of the Wales marriage only remember what we were told by the media and by them..
This line is an absolute classic!!!
Very well written and reasoned post, and I could not agree more.
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:30 AM
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The nation has warmed to the idea of Queen Camilla - Telegraph

The nation has warmed to the idea of Queen Camilla

A "slip of the tongue" by the Prince of Wales has raised the question of his wife’s title when he becomes king. Gordon Rayner examines the country’s likely reaction
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:46 AM
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Good grief! Be still my fluttering heart! Is this a positive view of Camilla ascending to the throne? What, no bile, no vitriole, no libel, no slander. Damn, it looks like she has made the cut into the "boring" house of Windsor!
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:49 AM
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Good grief! Be still my fluttering heart! Is this a positive view of Camilla ascending to the throne? What, no bile, no vitriole, no libel, no slander. Damn, it looks like she has made the cut into the "boring" house of Windsor!
Clearly this is not the view of the Court of the Daily Mail!
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Interesting read, thanks for posting
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:18 AM
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Clearly this is not the view of the Court of the Daily Mail!
who'd have thunk?? Sheesh.. one slip of the tongue from the man that would be king and they all stand up and take notice.
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:21 PM
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Thanks for posting that link, Muriel. I enjoyed that article.

Like Bertie, I have watched and read what we have been told about Charles' life for a long time. I remember reading about him when he was out here at Timbertop in 1966, and have always been fond of him. I believe he is an honourable man who has a strong sense of history and duty and always tried to do the right thing. He has not always succeeded, but I believe he's tried. I believe what he says.

I have seen a change in Charles since he has been married to Camilla. For many years his expression was strained and his eyes looked empty, but now looks "complete", for want of a better word; he smiles warmly and his eyes sparkle, especially when Camilla is with him. I believe that she makes him happy and gives him the sort of support that he needs and that she makes him a better Prince of Wales, and will, for the same reasons, make him a better King.

I hope that Camilla is crowned Queen. Even if she's not particularly keen on the idea I think she will do it if that is what Charles wants. She has already taken on a difficult job in the public eye for the love of Charles, and has already made the big transition from private person to HRH. The king's wife is, after all, only Queen Consort, and whether she is known as Princess Consort or Queen Consort, the operative word is "consort". In the usual course she would become Queen Consort, and I see no reason for any other course to be adopted.

I believe Charles will be a good king. I say that partly because I just like him and partly because I believe he will do the job well. He has been training for it for a very long time and has had an excellent teacher, and he cares. I believe he certainly deserves a shot at the job and I cannot imagine him abdicating in favour of William. His whole life has been spent training for the role he will step into on the death of his mother, and I think it would be grossly unfair to ask him to step down and abandon his duty and his place in history merely because popular opinion favours his son. Popular opinion can be very fickle and is often based on inappropriate or irrelevant criteria.
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:10 PM
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The nation has warmed to the idea of Queen Camilla - Telegraph

The nation has warmed to the idea of Queen Camilla

A "slip of the tongue" by the Prince of Wales has raised the question of his wife’s title when he becomes king. Gordon Rayner examines the country’s likely reaction
I'm happy to read this. I was never a Camilla fan but she has really grown on me the last few years, and I do rather like her now. I think she will be Queen Camilla and rightfully so!
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:51 PM
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I think it would be grossly unfair to ask him to step down and abandon his duty and his place in history merely because popular opinion favours his son. Popular opinion can be very fickle and is often based on inappropriate or irrelevant criteria.

I remember the 1970s when the idea was that the Queen should step down for her much more popular son, Charles - the saviour of the monarchy as he was tauted at the time.

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His once time quote said he'd like to be "Defender of Faith" (did I get it wrong again Bertie??) tells me that with the influx of different races and creeds making up a good portion of the UK, he respects them as well as have studied some of them.
Yes, in the Dimbley interview he said that he would like to be known as 'Defender of Faith' - he has said it once only and nothing has every been done about making it possible and I doubt that it will.

He will promise to uphold the Protestant Faith on his accession and at his coronation, as his predecessors have done for centuries.

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The nation has warmed to the idea of Queen Camilla - Telegraph

The nation has warmed to the idea of Queen Camilla

A "slip of the tongue" by the Prince of Wales has raised the question of his wife’s title when he becomes king. Gordon Rayner examines the country’s likely reaction

The article is great but the comments by the general public seem to contradict it and suggest that, like the DM, the people don't want Charles or Camilla.
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In that case, you're five days older than I am, and I remember the history as well.


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Charles the Green. I like it. I agree with your statement about his interests as well. I well remember his comment about modern architects being worst than the Luftwaffe. That seemed very insensitive to me given that there were still many people alive at that time who remembered The Blitz.

Sorry, getting off topic. Here I go, shuffling back off into a dark corner.

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When he's interested in something, he's passionate about it almost to the point of it being an obsession sometimes I think. (this last statement is MY opinion only).

I still think he'll go down in history though as the Green King.
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:56 PM
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The article is great but the comments by the general public seem to contradict it and suggest that, like the DM, the people don't want Charles or Camilla.
The mood really does appear rather difficult to judge.

I quite enjoyed the read, but as you said there is feeling to the contrary which is well publicised.
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I think that it depends on how he conducts himself as The Queen's death comes ever closer year by year. I think that he should, for the sake of national unity, become gradually less forceful in stating his opinions publicly. He should stop moaning about how he's misunderstood and attacked when he does express an opinion. Some of his speeches have been spectacular, such as when he spoke in Hungary about the fall of Communism. We need more of that. I'd like to hear more speeches of encouragement from him rather than speeches about how 21st-century humanity has got it all wrong. I don't believe that the UK and the Commonwealth need a whiner-in-chief on the throne, be the whining about how horribly we treat the planet or how off modern medicine is or how architecture is ruining our cities or how we aren't holistic and/or organic enough. If, as king, he can symbolize and speak for the deepest desires of the human heart-freedom, belonging, peace--then I think that he will be a winner regardless of how old he is when he ascends the throne.


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The likeliness he will be a much older man when he ascends the throne only continues to mount and I can't imagine he will encourage any real enthusiasm throughout Britain, or the Commonwealth for that matter.
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:06 AM
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The article is great but the comments by the general public seem to contradict it and suggest that, like the DM, the people don't want Charles or Camilla.
As some of the other posters have said, public opinion can be difficult to read, and comments in the Daily Mail or by Daily Mail readers are not necessarily representative of the larger British society. With due respect, I suspect it is particularly difficult to judge the public mood herre if you are not actually living in the UK, and rely on the internet as the principal source of information.

I appreciate that public support in Australia is not great for the monarchy, and C&C especially, but I suspect (given that I speak from afar) that is part of the broader republican movement.
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The article I was referring to was the one in the Telegraph - a far more supportive paper but not from the comments of its readers.
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The article I was referring to was the one in the Telegraph - a far more supportive paper but not from the comments of its readers.
It's the internet, though - anyone can sign up and make comments whenever they wish. The RF is in the news and links are posted all over the place, so people who are interested will read any articles that are available, but the vast majority don't bother to leave comments.
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However, when it happens time after time, regardless of the paper or facebook, one must at least agknowledge that where there is smoke there is fire.
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