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Old 10-30-2016, 06:05 PM
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In this era, with 7 days on 7, 24 hours on 24, continue media around, the royals doing 2000+ engagements seem overdone. Back in ye olde days it was a way to see the country and to be seen by the people. But countless engagements by royals outside the core royal family are barely or never mentioned and not shown on tv at all.

One may ask what added value is of royal engagements and, if the outcome is that these are valuable indeed, how it should be organized: by a royal court with "fulltime royals" or by members of the royal family so now and then doing engagements on behalf of the King and being reimbursed for their expenditures.
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Old 10-30-2016, 06:13 PM
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Even if they are not witnessed by everyone, people in that small town(example) may still appreciate it. If there was referendum to abolish the monarchy those people that have never really seen a royal may vote yes because they feel like that are not important. But they are because every vote counts. Edinburgh, Manchester, Cardiff, London and Belfast may be major factors in a vote but if all the small cities and towns feel unloved the yes vote could win.
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Old 10-30-2016, 08:19 PM
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I watched " the royal good guys " last night and it was made a few years ago but interesting. It made me see that the days of cutting ribbons etc are gone and royals have to be more deeply involved. Not sure if that is what the York girls would want lots of behind the scene work.


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Old 10-30-2016, 09:12 PM
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Old 10-31-2016, 05:30 AM
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Even if they are not witnessed by everyone, people in that small town(example) may still appreciate it. If there was referendum to abolish the monarchy those people that have never really seen a royal may vote yes because they feel like that are not important. But they are because every vote counts. Edinburgh, Manchester, Cardiff, London and Belfast may be major factors in a vote but if all the small cities and towns feel unloved the yes vote could win.
I really doubt that HRH The Duke of Kent visiting his patronagas like the Scouting or the Stroke Association, or HRH Princess Alexandra visiting her patronages like Children and Families Across Borders or the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art would have any influence at all when it comes to a referendum on the monarchy.

Every year Her Majesty The Queen, daughter of a Scottish mother, visits her beloved Highlands and stays for long periods at Balmoral and uses the Palace of Holyroodhouse as the Scottish equivalent of Buckingham Palace. This did not prevent almost half of the Scots to vote for a break-up of the United Kingdom.

With other words: it is nice that the Princess Royal visits the Battersea Dogs Home for three quarters of a hour and poses with a doggie for the media (which will not extend beyond the local newspaper on page 6) but all these well-meant visits have totally lost the impact still held in the 1950's, 1960's. Moreover: who reads local newspapers these days? The circulation of media is dramatically shrinking in this digital world.

The Queen started her Reign in the 1950's and as she organized it, it is in main lines still the same. We are now almost in 2017. It is logical that King Charles -and after him King William- will set new accents and change the organization.
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Old 10-31-2016, 06:28 AM
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I think it will be up to the associations, trusts,organizations,etc to decide whether they will want to have a royal as a patron-because if they decide that they do need a royal as a patron or his name to be associated with them, then there will be need for more than 5 or 6 working royals to cover all the requirements.
I don't think royals force themselves on any organization to become their patron or go to a newly built hospital or school and open it, unless they are asked to.
So if there will be demand for them to perform such activities they will certainly fulfil them. Time will tell.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:59 AM
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I think it will be up to the associations, trusts,organizations,etc to decide whether they will want to have a royal as a patron-because if they decide that they do need a royal as a patron or his name to be associated with them, then there will be need for more than 5 or 6 working royals to cover all the requirements.
I don't think royals force themselves on any organization to become their patron or go to a newly built hospital or school and open it, unless they are asked to.
So if there will be demand for them to perform such activities they will certainly fulfil them. Time will tell.
Well, yes, and I think also that:
  1. Openings and ribbon cuttings have less/different meaning to millennials and Founders than to Gen X and Boomers. Simply put, the former care less about formal ceremony and more about something real that they get to see on social media. And so these decision makers will be less likely to prefer an opening to a general stop by and see what we do. And if that stop is part of a theme day that focuses on a social topic and increases PR - all the better.
  2. The modern monarchy has already started to "bundle" these kinds of activities into localities. So these "openings" are often held months if not over a year past the official opening. It reduces the value of the ceremony and, IMO is intended to reduce the demand for them.
  3. I think the monarchy is headed toward proactive focused events - that raise awareness on the front end for issues. So the royals are likely to use their cache to enlighten and focus the realm. This is opposed to showing up to something that has already happened and had little to do with their efforts.
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:13 PM
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It is interesting to see how it went across the other side of the North Sea where royals had honorary functions as well of countless organizations, foundations, unions, clubs and charities. When the Prince of Orange assumed the kingship, both the outgoing as well the coming Sovereign laid down all their honorary functions, swoosh, in one go.

Only the Orange Fund (his wedding present which grants around 33 million Euro per year to charities and social works) was the sole organization which kept Willem-Alexander as Protector.

The fact that all organizations lost their protectorate in one go, made it easy to accept. The argumentation used by the Court: Willem-Alexander wants to be "Everyone's King" and therefore it is no longer desireable to single out specific organizations by accepting honorary functions.
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Old 11-05-2016, 10:54 AM
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Personally I feel that there is an opportunity for the royal family to take deliberate action here. I was thinking about the above comments and yes - they should change the way the charities and patronages are handled. So that they are more focused and specialised in a way. I was looking at the statistics of the engagements undertaken, it is unlikely that the amount of engagements will lessen under Charles' kingship. As the older generations pass away these local and unattractive engagements might fall away, but many of the unattractive charities need continuous support and I don't think that William, Kate, Charles and Harry and wife will be able to fulfil the need. For example if I was Prince Edward - I would actively seek Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie's help in the DOE awards. If I was the Duke of Kent and Princess Alexander I would do the same in my personal patronages. I would feel that I have spend my whole life on these charities and organisations and I would have a say in how they would move forward into the future, if I was able to help mould my successor.
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Old 11-05-2016, 12:31 PM
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Just a quickie, wouldn't Viscount Severn and Lady Louise take over the DofE Awards.
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Old 11-07-2016, 12:35 PM
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It seems to me that Will, Kate and Harry are essentially piloting a new way of handling these duties. They've picked issues (child well-being, mental health, veterans) and find clusters of organizations to partner with on specific events, digital content campaigns etc. rather than racking up a long list of ongoing patronages with those organizations.
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Old 11-07-2016, 12:44 PM
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Well, yes, and I think also that:
[LIST=1][*]Openings and ribbon cuttings have less/different meaning to millennials and Founders than to Gen X and Boomers. Simply put, the former care less about formal ceremony and more about something real that they get to see on social media. And so these decision makers will be less likely to prefer an opening to a general stop by and see what we do. And if that stop is part of a theme day that focuses on a social topic and increases PR - all the better.
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I've highlighted "openings and ribbon cuttings" because I see negative comments by posters about these quite often.

No member of the BRF goes to an event just to cut a ribbon or unveil a plaque. They attend to celebrate, congratulation and/or recognise the efforts of the people/organisation holding the event.

People raise £millions of pounds to build special hospice units, shelters, hospitals, sporting facilities etc and they are recognised thru these visits. The plaque commemorates their work and effort.

It isn't just to be dismissed.

Sorry - prob wrong thread and off topic
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Old 11-07-2016, 12:56 PM
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I would like the role of the BRF to become embassadors for the country as a whole, rather than being figureheads for thousands of different charities. The days of such a large family being required to carry out several thousand engagements have gone. It seems entirely feasible for just Charles and his immediate family to attend events of national significance and conduct oberseas tours. His siblings coukd still have royal roles but I don't see them needing to be full time royals.
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Old 11-13-2016, 08:56 PM
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When Charles is King, will he keep Alexandra Rose Day?
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Old 12-21-2016, 11:46 AM
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Will Prince Charles be king? Or will he step aside for William after the Queen? | Royal | News | Daily Express
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Old 12-21-2016, 12:07 PM
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When Charles is King, will he keep Alexandra Rose Day?
Charles has no more to do with it than his mother. The event is organized by the Alexandra rise charity which has been in existence for over a hundred years. Other than bring started to honor the fiftieth anniversary of evarrival of queen Alexandra, there is no actual Royal connection. Well except Princess Alexandra who is patron. The only real question would be who the Royal patron may be when Alexandra steps down. Even if he patronage isn't taken over, I font see a hundred and three year old charity suddenly closing diwn due to no Royal patron.

Should have seen this coming. Been too long since we had one of these, William will be the next king

Charles can't simply allow his son. He would have to be king and abdicate. Charles will be king, no matter how short. And considering the ages of his family, he could reign for twenty or more years. People need to stop living in Saint Diana land, and get over the fact that Charles will be king. Despite his marriage issues, he has done a good job as pow, and he is far more prepared to be king than his son. William is 34 and still hasn't taken on full time royal duties. He will find the demands of being pow a big enough change, without going straight to king.
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Old 12-21-2016, 12:50 PM
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The Daily Express is laughingly referred to as the 'Daily Diana', here. Hardly a day goes by without a 'story' or certainly a photo being dredged up to fill half a page or so...

No notice is [or needs to be] taken of its views. Charles WILL be the next King, unless [Heaven forfend] he predeceases his Mother, and William & Catherine will have a longer time to bring up their family, in [relative] privacy.
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Old 12-21-2016, 01:31 PM
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Its the holiday season with no real news coming from Royal quarters so the gutter press has to come up with something and for the most part, what they write seems like they have a little bit too much jog in their nog.

Another problem is that people are not very discriminating here and will post anything and everything regardless of the content. I just tend to ignore them.

There is absolutely no question that it is a fact written in stone that Charles is the heir to the throne and will be the next monarch. Other than the the sudden demise of Charles, William will be spending his time in the waiting role as his father did with being Prince of Wales. I cannot fathom either Charles or William as wanting it to be any other way than how it is.

Publications seem to write from an angle that becoming King (or Queen) is the pinnacle of existence and people fight up the regnal ladder for the position. Those that are in line for the position, I don't think, are in any hurry to get to that point. They know what the responsibilities are, they know how restrictive that life will be on them, they know its an expected position for life and they see it as a duty and a responsibility rather than a crowning glory of achievement (pun intended) and fame, fortune and glitter once they get there.

The more I learn, the more I realize that the desire to be a princess or a queen or a knight on a white stallion is a purely Disney perception. The reality was stated best I think right after George VI became King. Margaret asked her older sister if that meant that she would one day become Queen. When Elizabeth answered yes, Margaret came back with "poor you".
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Old 12-21-2016, 01:52 PM
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Another problem is that people are not very discriminating here and will post anything and everything regardless of the content. I just tend to ignore them.

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Personally i post anything and everything I find interesting! Everyone here can ignore naturally as I doing and simply to not Click on the articles!
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:06 PM
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Personally i post anything and everything I find interesting! Everyone here can ignore naturally as I doing and simply to not Click on the articles!
Oh definitely. That's what a message board is all about. What may interest one may not interest another. If we only stuck to releases from the palaces and direct quotes from the actual personages under discussion and reports of engagements from the Court Circular, we really wouldn't have overly much to talk about would we?

My point was that its easy to disregard and ignore links from places like the Mail and Express that have silly and inane titles such as "Camilla throws Charles out of the house for tracking in mud". We all *know* its Camilla that would be more apt to track the mud in than Charles.
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