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Old 04-14-2015, 06:23 PM
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I doubt if the British people would be too keen on supporting a British Royal Family, especially a monarch, who wants to make a difference globally rather than nationally and rightly so. If they want to make a splash globally then they need to pay for the overseas side of things and not expect the British taxpayers to foot the bill for their travels on personal crusades outside the UK.
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:32 PM
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I doubt if the British people would be too keen on supporting a British Royal Family, especially a monarch, who wants to make a difference globally rather than nationally and rightly so. If they want to make a splash globally then they need to pay for the overseas side of things and not expect the British taxpayers to foot the bill for their travels on personal crusades outside the UK.
I think my point was more in line with what William is doing with United for Wildlife which was a huge part of the Cambridges' success of their trip to NYC recently. To quote their site, their mission and a statement by William kind of says it all:

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United for Wildlife was created by The Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry. Led by the Duke of Cambridge our campaign unites the world’s leading wildlife charities under a common purpose; to create a global movement for change.

Whilst animals continue to be killed by criminals, whilst whole species are poached to extinction, we will join together to ask one simple question: Whose side are you on?

With the help of our incredible ambassadors from around the world, including David Beckham, Andy Murray and Lewis Hamilton, we’re building a movement that will make a real change for wildlife.

“I believe passionately that we have a duty to prevent critically endangered species from being wiped out. If we get together, everywhere, we can preserve these animals so that they share our world with future generations. That’s what United for Wildlife is all about, and why I’m proud to be involved.” -Prince William
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Its not that the monarchy would be primarily focused on a global image but realizing that we are more and more a global society, it would be wise to take that into consideration. To look at the website of United for Wildlife is a good indication of what I'm speaking of. It does put the UK and its Royal Family into the spotlight of doing something globally.

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Old 04-14-2015, 08:04 PM
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But why should the British taxpayer pay for William to support something like this? That is my point.


If he wants to do that - fine - but he shouldn't expect the money for him to travel overseas or to have his security team travel overseas be paid for by the British taxpayers. He should have to pay for that himself or the charity pay for it and not have it count as an official duty or role for a British royal.
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Old 04-14-2015, 08:36 PM
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I think Charles will steer the monarchy away from royal engagements which involve cutting ribbons and shaking hands to fewer appearances which will each have a stronger impact. This will require much fewer royals than we currently have. Only Charles's own family, and maybe Anne will be necessary to undertake royal engagements.
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But why should the British taxpayer pay for William to support something like this? That is my point.


If he wants to do that - fine - but he shouldn't expect the money for him to travel overseas or to have his security team travel overseas be paid for by the British taxpayers. He should have to pay for that himself or the charity pay for it and not have it count as an official duty or role for a British royal.
Why? Because the royals are mostly a PR tool. Both for turism but also for causes. Like Oh, Prince William is supporting this, at this gala you will meet Prince Charles etc. They have a draw. And the government seem to use that abroad with for ex Andrew. If done right it can be a powerful tool and the world is way more global now than before. If they don't branch out they will soon seem dated. I think one step in that would be to better relations with other monarchies.
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Old 04-14-2015, 08:58 PM
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What will Andrew and Edward do for the rest of their lives? They don't have jobs and gave any real jobs to work for the Firm over a decade and a half ago? I don't think Charles will cut off his brothers and keep his sister.


He also has to deal with demand from the British public - and they like having a royal open things. He does a lot of those himself. The monarchy has to be visible or become irrelevant. The strongest impact will be to actually interact with the British public and that is what the royals do now.

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Why? Because the royals are mostly a PR tool. Both for turism but also for causes. Like Oh, Prince William is supporting this, at this gala you will meet Prince Charles etc. They have a draw. And the government seem to use that abroad with for ex Andrew. If done right it can be a powerful tool and the world is way more global now than before. If they don't branch out they will soon seem dated. I think one step in that would be to better relations with other monarchies.
Why?

They need to relate to the people within their own country - who are the ones who are paying for their official work and their security.

Whether they have anything to do with other countries is irrelevant to the primary role - that of being the royal family of Britain and to promote British interests - not their own personal agendas or the interests of foreign powers.

Why do they need to connect to other royals at all? They aren't representing those countries but are representing Britain and Britain alone. Why should they have anything to do with these other monarchies, unless the British government wishes them to do so? They do associate with them on a personal basis at the older generations but the younger ones don't have much in common with their continental counterparts any more after nearly a century of deliberately being removed from the continent under the leadership of George V.
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Old 04-14-2015, 09:06 PM
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Why?

They need to relate to the people within their own country - who are the ones who are paying for their official work and their security.

Whether they have anything to do with other countries is irrelevant to the primary role - that of being the royal family of Britain and to promote British interests - not their own personal agendas or the interests of foreign powers.

Why do they need to connect to other royals at all? They aren't representing those countries but are representing Britain and Britain alone. Why should they have anything to do with these other monarchies, unless the British government wishes them to do so? They do associate with them on a personal basis at the older generations but the younger ones don't have much in common with their continental counterparts any more after nearly a century of deliberately being removed from the continent under the leadership of George V.
The promote British interest part is the one I'm focusing on. They already do that. But much of that is material as in for companies. And they should do that as well. But promoting well being and charities abroad and to connect groups doing similar work in different countries I see as a part of promoting that interest. That's why I said they could get a better relationship with other monarchies so they can cooperate and create global networks through similar charities to strengthen the work.
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Old 04-14-2015, 09:38 PM
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But why should the British taxpayer pay for William to support something like this? That is my point.


If he wants to do that - fine - but he shouldn't expect the money for him to travel overseas or to have his security team travel overseas be paid for by the British taxpayers. He should have to pay for that himself or the charity pay for it and not have it count as an official duty or role for a British royal.
Just to clarify some things while we're on the global aspect. Will and Kate's trip to NYC was not an official trip representing the monarch nor was it paid for by the British government and/or taxpayers.

"The couple lives in a palace and is afforded some of the world’s best luxuries, but they’re not above flying commercial. The trip is being funded by Will, Kate and Harry’s charity and St. Andrews University."
William and Kate to take New York City by royal storm | New York's PIX11 / WPIX-TV

However, William's trip to China at the beginning of the year was an official visit representing his monarch and the British people and its government. While his work with United with Wildlife was not a main focus, it certainly was picked up globally and commented on while he was there. I recall seeing a photo of the buildings that presented the images of both William and Yao Ming while he was there. Yao Ming, a Chinese national superstar in both the American NBA and representing China in Olympic games is also involved in several wildlife conservation areas. its interesting to note also that Yao Ming is listed as one of the associates in the United for Wildlife campaign.

These are the strides that I'm seeing that can make a big difference. Its better to hold hands and work together rather than trying to change the world by oneself.

ETA: Kind of a correction about William's picture shining out from a tall Chinese building. It was done through WildAid, I believe, which is one of Yao Ming's endeavors.

http://www.wildaid.org/news/duke-cam...roughout-china
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Old 04-14-2015, 09:56 PM
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Just to clarify some things while we're on the global aspect. Will and Kate's trip to NYC was not an official trip representing the monarch nor was it paid for by the British government and/or taxpayers.

"The couple lives in a palace and is afforded some of the world’s best luxuries, but they’re not above flying commercial. The trip is being funded by Will, Kate and Harry’s charity and St. Andrews University."
William and Kate to take New York City by royal storm | New York's PIX11 / WPIX-TV

However, William's trip to China at the beginning of the year was an official visit representing his monarch and the British people and its government. While his work with United with Wildlife was not a main focus, it certainly was picked up globally and commented on while he was there. I recall seeing a photo of the buildings that presented the images of both William and Yao Ming while he was there. Yao Ming, a Chinese national superstar in both the American NBA and representing China in Olympic games is also involved in several wildlife conservation areas. its interesting to note also that Yao Ming is listed as one of the associates in the United for Wildlife campaign.

These are the strides that I'm seeing that can make a big difference. Its better to hold hands and work together rather than trying to change the world by oneself.
Exactly. You explained it better. In such a global world as it is today we need each others help and support more than ever. And i think the royals can be a good tool to foster those relations. Both in big government oficial ways, as in China. But also in a thing such as United for Wildlife. Their foundation (William, Harry & Kate) intruduces charities they work with to eachother to create cooporations and new efforts in their fields. The same as when Kate (sorry for making them as an example, I know the most about them) was in Malaysia and a hospice there started a cooperation with EACH hospices in the UK. Things like this will make a difference, problems in the UK are dependant on problems in other countries and vice versa. Especially a thing like the enviroment. The UK can be 100% clean and still die out if not the rest of the world is doing it. So I think a global approach (that does not mean to take away their local approach) will be better both for many causes but also to keep a good connection with the commonwealth.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:27 AM
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Their foundation (William, Harry & Kate) intruduces charities they work with to eachother to create cooporations and new efforts in their fields. The same as when Kate was in Malaysia and a hospice there started a cooperation with EACH hospices in the UK. Things like this will make a difference, problems in the UK are dependant on problems in other countries and vice versa. Especially a thing like the enviroment. The UK can be 100% clean and still die out if not the rest of the world is doing it. So I think a global approach (that does not mean to take away their local approach) will be better both for many causes but also to keep a good connection with the commonwealth.
Is that not what Prince Charles has been doing since 1976 with the Prince's Trust and the Prince's Charities?

The Prince's Trust is a world wide organization that help people in multiple countries in different continents. Charles and Camilla regularly travel outside the U.K. for their charities.

A few examples:
Prince Charles' Prince's Trust helps homeless people in the United States.

Camilla has been Patron of Emmaus UK since 2006. Emmaus is a French international charity.

Camilla campaign against sexually abused women has been world wide.

On June 1, 2007 Prince Charles, Camilla and Queen Sonja of Norway opened the Shetland museum.

On September 23,2013, Camilla and Queen Sonja of Norway jointly opened a new Maggie's cancer support center in Aberdeen, Scotland.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:44 AM
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If they are going to do things that aren't directly related to Britain and British interests then they have to pay for that and that includes their security. The current arrangement is that the British taxpayer has to pay for their security wherever they are in the world and what people here are advocating is that they do more internationally but they are actually the family of the Head of State of Britain.


How many Americans would approve if Michelle Obama started promoting international charities and expected the American taxpayer to pay the expenses of that promotion?


The monarchies are the representatives of their nations and that has to take priority over any international interests which is why they need to keep themselves separate just as they don't link up with the Heads of State of other nations to do these sorts of things - conflict of interest can arise too often.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:59 AM
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If they are going to do things that aren't directly related to Britain and British interests then they have to pay for that and that includes their security. The current arrangement is that the British taxpayer has to pay for their security wherever they are in the world and what people here are advocating is that they do more internationally but they are actually the family of the Head of State of Britain.


How many Americans would approve if Michelle Obama started promoting international charities and expected the American taxpayer to pay the expenses of that promotion?


The monarchies are the representatives of their nations and that has to take priority over any international interests which is why they need to keep themselves separate just as they don't link up with the Heads of State of other nations to do these sorts of things - conflict of interest can arise too often.
I think I may have been misunderstood stating that I think that under Charles' reign, I think we're going to see more global efforts as we're seeing now (and thank you Queen Camilla for pointing out others that members of the royal family are involved with) but I do not see it ever escalating to the point where business at home is ever neglected and given first priority over all else.

Countries are allies at war and military operations as we've seen in recent decades still. If we can join together and keep our countries safe, to me it makes sense that global efforts to preserve our lives, our children's heritage and our environment is important.
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Is that not what Prince Charles has been doing since 1976 with the Prince's Trust and the Prince's Charities?

The Prince's Trust is a world wide organization that help people in multiple countries in different continents. Charles and Camilla regularly travel outside the U.K. for their charities.

A few examples:
Prince Charles' Prince's Trust helps homeless people in the United States.

Camilla has been Patron of Emmaus UK since 2006. Emmaus is a French international charity.

Camilla campaign against sexually abused women has been world wide.

On June 1, 2007 Prince Charles, Camilla and Queen Sonja of Norway opened the Shetland museum.

On September 23,2013, Camilla and Queen Sonja of Norway jointly opened a new Maggie's cancer support center in Aberdeen, Scotland.
That's why I apologized for using them as an example. Since I don't know stuff about Charles I didn't have the information to use him as an example :) That was not to say that the youngers were the first or only to do it :P
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I am more convinced than ever that this is the right time for the minor members of the royal family to step down from public life. By the end of the week we will have the ninth member of the new core royal family, so there no longer seems to be a necessity for the others (Kents, Gloucesters, Yorks and Wessexes) to continue to work on behalf of the monarchy. The three young royals need to step up their workload, which could be financed by the discontinuation of supprting the others. Anne should definitely continue though, as she is well liked and her work ethic is widely appreciated and admired.
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I very much doubt the Queen and/or her successor is ever going to stop supporting the Kents, Gloucesters, Wessexes or the DoY.

They're not going to suddenly stop giving the Duke of Kent money, for example, even if he does end his official engagements. He's going to have to be paid a 'pension' for the rest of his days, otherwise how will he support himself? I don't think he has much of a private income.
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If the Yorks are minor members of the family - despite Andrew being a Counsellor of State and Beatrice the next one to take up that role (unless The Queen lives to see George reach 21 - or until she herself is 108) are minor royals then Anne is most definitely a minor royal.


What would you have Edward - aged 51, Sophie, aged 50 and Andrew aged 55 do for the rest of their lives? Be social butterflies and bring the sort of press that Beatrice does with her constant holidays. At least doing royal duties gives them something to do.


Why should those who have worked for decades give up, overnight, their charities and interests and be thrown out?


William has a new job - which given the thousands of pounds that would have been spent on his training he will really need to work at for a decade or so to repay that cost.


It has been made clear that The Queen and Charles want William and Kate to be able to do what neither of them could do - spend the time raising their young family without the burden of a full-time public role and they can do that because there are the older generation. The Kent's are slowing down but the Gloucester's are the same age range as Charles and Camilla and so are continuing a solid schedule. Richard is only 4 years older than Charles, Birgitte 3 and Camilla 1.


While the older generation want to work why throw them away? That is an agist idea as countries are calling more and more for the retirement ages to be raised to 70 or 75 and for older people to work well into their 70s the royals need to be setting that example of working well into their later decades. If the general population are expected to work to 75 or so then the royals much also work that long or longer.


Until William and Kate take on full-time duties permanently it will be harder for Harry to do so - so he will drift around Africa doing 'charity work' there and other things in the UK but not full-time duties while William works as an air-ambulance pilot. Maybe Harry will follow him into such a job as he likes flying so much.


Beatrice and Eugenie have basically left the UK - Beatrice to holiday it seems and Eugenie to work so they aren't ever going to be full-time royals.


We can't expect George or his sibling to be working full-time for the family for another 40 or so years - following the example of their parents' generation.
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I agree. The Gloucesters and the Kents are aging but will continue doing engagements as long as they can and then will be supported by the monarch until they die. I think it'll be the same with the Wessexes and the Duke of York, but their children won't be called on to do royal engagements or be supported financially unless they're greatly needed. As it is, there's a 30+ years' age gap between the youngest people doing royal duties and the next generation in the direct line. If, God forbid, anything happens to William, Kate, or Harry, there could be need of some appearances by the York princesses until 20+ years down the line, when Prince George and his siblings will be young adults. Unless of course, Charles and Camilla, William and Katherine, and Harry do it all once Charles becomes King. I don't think that's reasonable or desirable.
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Prince Charles wants financial independence from the state when he becomes King* | Daily Mail Online
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Court talk is that the heir to the throne would prefer to end the custom whereby monarchs sign over Crown Estate earnings to the Government in exchange for a Sovereign Grant representing 15 per cent of the income.

With net Crown Estate revenues £285million this year, plus £16million from the Duchy of Lancaster, Charles thinks this could independently cover most royal costs, even security, especially if he succeeds in slimming down the monarchy.

‘William wants to slim it even more,’ says my source.
First - That's never going to happen.

Second - If the Queen lives for another 10 years? The Kents will be around 90, the Gloucesters around 80 and are not going to do many engagements when Charles succeed to the throne. Anne, Andrew, Edward and Sophie are going to do engagements, so long as they wants.

Third - I don't think that William even has thought about this. When he becomes King, Anne, Andrew, Edward and Sophie is likely to be in their eighties and nineties.

And I don't believe in anything of what Ephraim Hardcastle and Sebastian Shakespeare says.
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It's better with a slimmed down royal family.
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