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Old 02-03-2015, 11:00 AM
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And long term, Charles and Camilla will be gone, Sophie and Edward will be aged. Just don't see any other outcome than William calling on the help of his cousins Beatrice and Eugenie. Perhaps not now or for a very long time, but seems he will definitely have to.
I think if, in the fullness of time, the York girls are required to help the monarch of the day (be it Charles, William or George) and they have not, in any way, blotted their copy with the great British public, I am sure they would be happy to do so. In the interim, I think they should be allowed to live their lives as they desire, go forth and achieve their personal objectives, free of royal protocol and duty.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:01 AM
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I think if, in the fullness of time, the York girls are required to help the monarch of the day (be it Charles, William or George) and they have not, in any way, blotted their copy with the great British public, I am sure they would be happy to do so. In the interim, I think they should be allowed to live their lives as they desire, go forth and achieve their personal objectives, free of royal protocol and duty.

Agreed. I see them living their lives now, fulfilling royal duty later in life once needed.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:09 AM
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There is a glaring error in the article where it talks about Edward wanting to be Duke of Edinburgh and Sophie wanting to be made a Royal Duchess like Camilla and Kate before the Queen passes so she would be on equal footing.

In order for Edward to get his father's Dukedom both his parents have to pass. Since Charles will inherit the title when Philip dies and it merges with the Crown when his mother dies then it can be reissued.
I am also quite sure that Edward is fully aware of how Dukedom's work so why on Earth would he be "hoping Sophie is made a royal Duchess" before Charles is King to be equal to Camilla and Kate. Sophie and Edward both know that Sophie will never be equal to the other women, as their role in the Monarchy is hugely different from Sophie's, and much more important.

As for Sophie and Camilla not getting on well - that may be true but they have at least got the decency and maturity to be friendly in public with one another and not let others see their apparent disliking toward one another. At Trooping the Colour Camilla has been seen chatting to young James like a normal aunt (she was seen chatting to him and pointing out the planes in 2013), and she is seen talking to Sophie at the Garter Service etc. They are adults who may not see eye to eye but in public they can act in a cordial way.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:39 AM
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No one can ever say what lies ahead. The best laid plans can be changed because of circumstances or just a whim. But I would be absolutely flabbergasted if Charles did not confer the title of Duke of Edinburgh on Edward. The promise was publicly announced at the time of Edward's wedding and I can think of absolutely no reason for Charles not to follow through.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:59 AM
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I am also quite sure that Edward is fully aware of how Dukedom's work so why on Earth would he be "hoping Sophie is made a royal Duchess" before Charles is King to be equal to Camilla and Kate. Sophie and Edward both know that Sophie will never be equal to the other women, as their role in the Monarchy is hugely different from Sophie's, and much more important.

As for Sophie and Camilla not getting on well - that may be true but they have at least got the decency and maturity to be friendly in public with one another and not let others see their apparent disliking toward one another. At Trooping the Colour Camilla has been seen chatting to young James like a normal aunt (she was seen chatting to him and pointing out the planes in 2013), and she is seen talking to Sophie at the Garter Service etc. They are adults who may not see eye to eye but in public they can act in a cordial way.
I think the Royal Women of Windsor get a long just fine. One must remember that Camilla is much older than Sophie and don't appear to run in the same crowd. Everyone knows their place within the "Firm" and no one is out to outdo one another in position and titles. The media have a way of trying to put members of the royal family against each other. This happened to Diana and Anne and Diana and Sarah. Someone tried to start it up between Diana and Sophie.
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:31 PM
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I think the Royal Women of Windsor get a long just fine. One must remember that Camilla is much older than Sophie and don't appear to run in the same crowd. Everyone knows their place within the "Firm" and no one is out to outdo one another in position and titles. The media have a way of trying to put members of the royal family against each other. This happened to Diana and Anne and Diana and Sarah. Someone tried to start it up between Diana and Sophie.
I think that is right, I think they get on just fine. I doubt Sophie and Camilla are particularly close, but they have a comfortable relationship. There is little to disagree on, their relative positions established by the order of the births of their respective husband.

It is clear that the Queen and Sophie meet regularly and have a good relationship that has been developing from at least 1999. Camilla, on the other hand, had a lot more baggage to deal with, but appears to have progressed well, and gets on with the Queen and Prince Philip. A lot of her interests are not dissimilar to those of HM (horses, dogs, gardening), and I am sure HM sees how much more relaxed Charles is when Camilla is around. So I guess there is peace in the House of Windsor, despite what Richard Kay and the Daily Mail might like to suggest.

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I am also quite sure that Edward is fully aware of how Dukedom's work so why on Earth would he be "hoping Sophie is made a royal Duchess" before Charles is King to be equal to Camilla and Kate. Sophie and Edward both know that Sophie will never be equal to the other women, as their role in the Monarchy is hugely different from Sophie's, and much more important.
I think that is pure BS. The position was publicly set out when Edward and Sophie got married in 1999, and was probably agreed within the family some time before that. There are no surprises that Camilla and Catherine, as future Queens, would enjoy a greater title and precedence than Sophie.
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:34 PM
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I think that is right, I think they get on just fine. I doubt Sophie and Camilla are particularly close, but they have a comfortable relationship. There is little to disagree on, their relative positions established by the order of the births of their respective husband.

It is clear that the Queen and Sophie meet regularly and have a good relationship that has been developing from at least 1999. Camilla, on the other hand, had a lot more baggage to deal with, but appears to have progressed well, and gets on with the Queen and Prince Philip. A lot of her interests are not dissimilar to those of HM (horses, dogs, gardening), and I am sure HM sees how much more relaxed Charles is when Camilla is around. So I guess there is peace in the House of Windsor, despite what Richard Kay and the Daily Mail might like to suggest.
I think this is very true. That it is peace. And the media is longing back to the time when copy after copy was almost written for them with stories. They are just throwing mud around hoping to see if something sticks....
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:46 PM
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I think this is very true. That it is peace. And the media is longing back to the time when copy after copy was almost written for them with stories. They are just throwing mud around hoping to see if something sticks....
I don't think it is the media at large, it is just Richard Kay.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:10 PM
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I just do not think he will make a great king. In my gut, Charles, while not wanting to see his parents pass on, cannot WAIT to get to that throne and place Camilla beside himself. I am sorry, I do not care what anyone says, it was very sad and to me VERY telling, the 2012 balcony appearance.

I think in many ways his selfish and spoiled view of himself has not changed much over the years.... I can see him jealous of the easy way William gets on with his in-laws. Let us remember, they ARE IN FACT HUMAN. More so now in this generation of royals. If I had lived in the house like William did and then saw the woman who in fact helped break apart my parents' marriage...I would look and yearn for a sense of normalcy at all costs. He is truly happy with the Catherine. You can see it. He seems to get along great with his in-laws. Good for him.

Given Charles's own words from his mouth, he feels everything we have read about his version of his childhood, etc, jealousy/envy about Diana's popularity. I am sure his staff since has established his own household do everything like we have read but wipe his backside for him.

Now, to appease the the ones who will attack me on here, he has done many, many, many great things for charities, the Prince's Trust, for architecture, the environment, etc...but I do not trust him an inch as king. How I truly in my heart wish the throne could go to William and Catherine. I will tell you one thing, you can tell, NO ONE TELLS WILLIAM WHAT TO DO. And good for him. I would be tired of all this if I were him and grew up exactly the way he did.

So go ahead and rip me apart. :-)
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:06 PM
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Once again, you've gone off topic...turned it from Charles to William.
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:48 PM
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I just do not think he will make a great king. In my gut, Charles, while not wanting to see his parents pass on, cannot WAIT to get to that throne and place Camilla beside himself. I am sorry, I do not care what anyone says, it was very sad and to me VERY telling, the 2012 balcony appearance.
The 2012 balcony appearance was at the request of The Queen.

Out of curiosity can you explain you're idea of "a great king?" Because Charles can do very little just like his mother, so I'm not sure what you think will drastically change when Charles inherits the throne. In regards to Camilla, the law states she will become Queen when Charles is King. Parliament would have to create a whole new law to strip specifically Camilla of her title, and then allow Catherine to use the title when she is Queen.

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I think in many ways his selfish and spoiled view of himself has not changed much over the years.... I can see him jealous of the easy way William gets on with his in-laws.
Charles is 66, I think he has better things to do then be jealous of his son. Plus whose to say Charles didn't get on with his in-laws?
Could you tell me where this "selfish and spoiled" view comes from? Because if I'm honest my view of Charles is the complete opposite.

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If I had lived in the house like William did and then saw the woman who in fact helped break apart my parents' marriage...I would look and yearn for a sense of normalcy at all costs. He is truly happy with the Catherine. You can see it. He seems to get along great with his in-laws. Good for him.
Oh purrlease! William respects his father and that is one thing that is incredibly evident. Charles' devotion to his two sons is also incredibly clear so this BS about watching Camilla come into their lives is utter nonsense.
It's great that William's found love, has a son and gets along with his in laws. What's your point for this thread exactly?



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Given Charles's own words from his mouth, he feels everything we have read about his version of his childhood, etc, jealousy/envy about Diana's popularity. I am sure his staff since has established his own household do everything like we have read but wipe his backside for him.
Charles' own words? Please elaborate. You've been reading too much of the DailyFail by the looks of it, those comments are warped!

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Now, to appease the the ones who will attack me on here, he has done many, many, many great things for charities, the Prince's Trust, for architecture, the environment, etc...but I do not trust him an inch as king. How I truly in my heart wish the throne could go to William and Catherine. I will tell you one thing, you can tell, NO ONE TELLS WILLIAM WHAT TO DO. And good for him. I would be tired of all this if I were him and grew up exactly the way he did.

Exactly why should you trust him? He cannot do a single thing to affect any part of anybodies life except his own. I've never met the man so I cannot trust a person I have never met. But he's never outwardly given anything that if I knew the man would make me not trust him.

Why should the throne go to William and Catherine? What exactly can they do better than Charles? Plus William would never ever insult his father in such a way even if there was an option for his father to be skipped.
What is evident is William's respect for his father, and he wouldn't do anything to hurt the man who raised him.

I'm not sure what relevance it has you shouting that nobody tells William what to do, when from his own mouth during the jubilee video he admitted several times that several people tell him what to do? At the end of the day whilst being 33 this year, he is still a son, a grandson, a husband and a prince I imagine a lot of people tell William what to do and if he has any sense he'd listen. That's the way it is for pretty much every single person everywhere.

William's parents divorced and then his mother sadly passed away. Whilst both events are tragic, they are by no means uncommon in everyday life. Whilst most if not all are not paraded in front of the media, this is a life William was born into and something he has to make the best of and appears to be doing so. You can clearly see from numerous pictures, interviews and videos see that Charles, William and Henry have an incredible familial bond and attempting to tarnish it with hearsay just ruins it.
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Old 02-03-2015, 06:36 PM
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What is the reason for the 'sudden' interest in Charles?

Three new books, a TV program and no known anniversary except the Queen overtaking Victoria but that should have produced books about the Queen and not Charles.
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I fear you are wasting your breath yelling at the wind in this case. Someone raised on a steady diet of Daily Fail and, totally unaware of how a monarchy works let alone the succession and a distinct determination not to learn is not easily reasoned with.

Quite frankly, the notion of William ascending the throne any time soon bothers me as he is ill prepared to step into his father's shoes let alone is grandmother's which must be a great worry to his father.

As to the mythical "slimming down" policy, I thought we had discovered that that was merely a throwaway comment from someone with more mouth than sense.
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PA Royal Reporters @PARoyal · 25 mins 25 minutes ago
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Thanks Rudolph. The letter really doesn't resolve the controversy. Although I have no doubt that Charles will at least tone down his public statements when he ascends the throne, we all know his personal beliefs on many issues.


Most of the Queen's personal views are not known so people of all sides can imagine that she is in agreement with their views. If there is a controversy over genetically modified foods, for example, people will know what King Charles is telling the PM during their weekly meetings.


The issue will be rare though. Charles is not overtly political and we really don't know his personal views on the most important issues, such as monetary policies, social spending, healthcare access, etc... In the end, the monarch only advises the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister and the parliament actually set policy.
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The topics of the weekly PM meeting aren't known so if a topic is brought up where we know what Charles's view is we aren't going to know it.


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The topics of the weekly PM meeting aren't known so if a topic is brought up where we know what Charles's view is we aren't going to know it.


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I understand your point. But if there is a major news story in the media, people will assume that the PM and Charles discussed it.
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And in the end the PM will do what he or she wants and the monarch has no power to stop it.


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I agree. The monarch's role is mainly ceremonial and Charles will do well. He has the gravitas to credibly represent the UK around the world.
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I am also quite sure that Edward is fully aware of how Dukedom's work so why on Earth would he be "hoping Sophie is made a royal Duchess" before Charles is King to be equal to Camilla and Kate. Sophie and Edward both know that Sophie will never be equal to the other women, as their role in the Monarchy is hugely different from Sophie's, and much more important.

As for Sophie and Camilla not getting on well - that may be true but they have at least got the decency and maturity to be friendly in public with one another and not let others see their apparent disliking toward one another. At Trooping the Colour Camilla has been seen chatting to young James like a normal aunt (she was seen chatting to him and pointing out the planes in 2013), and she is seen talking to Sophie at the Garter Service etc. They are adults who may not see eye to eye but in public they can act in a cordial way.
I have to agree Molly. Besides Edward/Sophie are at a very different stage in life than Charles/Camilla so I can understand why they might have very different interests as well.
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