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Old 07-01-2017, 01:50 PM
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Yeps. that's me. I'm an old goat.

I think the biggest danger to the British monarchy actually would be stagnation. Its great to keep the old and meaningful traditions that reflects continuity and the history that got the monarchy to where it is right now but without changes, the monarchy becomes separate from the world around it and loses relevancy and becomes an archaic institution no longer capable of serving its people.
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:35 PM
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It does change.. it has change a huge amount in the last 20 years.. It changes all the time but some people want to believe that it never will change.. and that traditions which ony go back say to Q Victoria are there from time immemorial...
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:43 PM
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I'm currently reading King, Kaiser, Tsar by Catrine Clay that focuses on the lives and relationships between three cousins and grandchildren of Queen Victoria, George V of the UK, Wilhelm II of Germany and Nicholas II of Russia and how these three were instrumental leading up to WWI.

Then changes between then and now are remarkable. The UK was a constitutional monarch then as it is now but the ways of thinking and how things should be done through their eyes is totally different from what we see now. In years to come, it will probably be the same thing reading an extensive historical work of how the monarchy changed after Queen Elizabeth II.

Wish I had this kind of love for historical data and insights into the people involved back when I was in school. Ah well.... better late than never eh?
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Old 07-01-2017, 03:00 PM
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When the Monarchy does settle on Charles' shoulders, the most interesting (for me) changes will be of a cultural nature.

The current Queen is a woman of such simple tastes -- in literature, music, etc. compared to Charles. Mind you, Great Britain has always done well by monarchs with simple tastes! Anyway, Charles' wide-ranging interests and depth of knowledge might lead to a real flowering of the arts in the UK.
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Old 07-01-2017, 03:03 PM
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The Queen could live another 10 years...who knows if Charles will even get to be King.

Wouldn't that be interesting if it went from Elizabeth to William ...no ill wishes on Charles though.


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Old 07-01-2017, 05:37 PM
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cant see how that is NOT ill wishing Charles, since he would have to predecease his mother and leave her, a very old woman, burying her eldest son.
I can't see what would be interesting about it, as Wiliam is not an interesting man...

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Then changes between then and now are remarkable. The UK was a constitutional monarch then as it is now but the ways of thinking and how things should be done through their eyes is totally different from what we see now. In years to come, it will probably be the same thing reading an extensive historical work of how the monarchy changed after Queen Elizabeth II.

Wish I had this kind of love for historical data and insights into the people involved back when I was in school. Ah well.... better late than never eh?
True a constitutional monarchy but all the same Britain was not then a full democracy and the upper classes still had a huge role in government and in the wealth of the country. Germany was still pretty much dominated however by the officer classes and the Kaiser was much more dominant In politics than Geo V or Edward had been. and Russia was pretty much an absolute monarchy still at that time.
But the RF now, and its ways are very differnet ot what they were even 20 years ago when Chas and Diana were a young married couple.
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Old 07-01-2017, 05:42 PM
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Its simply a matter of probabilities and possibilities. HM very well could outlive her eldest son. The Queen Mum outlived her youngest child albeit by only a short while. It is very well within the realm of possibility that the throne could pass from Elizabeth to William but its a slight chance and not really probable.
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Old 07-01-2017, 05:57 PM
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cant see how that is NOT ill wishing Charles, since he would have to predecease his mother and leave her, a very old woman, burying her eldest son.
I can't see what would be interesting about it, as Wiliam is not an interesting man...
I didn't say I wanted him to die. Reality is folks sometimes die. In 10 years look at the age he will be.



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Old 07-01-2017, 06:06 PM
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I'm currently reading King, Kaiser, Tsar by Catrine Clay that focuses on the lives and relationships between three cousins and grandchildren of Queen Victoria, George V of the UK, Wilhelm II of Germany and Nicholas II of Russia and how these three were instrumental leading up to WWI.

Then changes between then and now are remarkable. The UK was a constitutional monarch then as it is now but the ways of thinking and how things should be done through their eyes is totally different from what we see now. In years to come, it will probably be the same thing reading an extensive historical work of how the monarchy changed after Queen Elizabeth II.
I don't think the comparison is very accurate. The differences between the UK,, Russia and Germany in the early 20th century went far beyond the personalities of their respective sovereigns.

As you said, the UK was a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary government , though not quite a democracy yet as universal male suffrage wasn't actually introduced until 1918 and gender-neutral universal suffrage not until 1928. In any case, KIng George V did not run the British government, and the government was, for all practical purposes, responsible to Parliament, not to the King. Germany, on the other hand, was also a constitutional monarchy, with a federal parliament whose lower house, unlike in Britain, was actually elected by universal male suffrage; the executive government (i.e. the Chancellor) was, however, responsible to the Kaiser and not to the legislature, and the Kaiser interfered directly in government policy, especially when it came to foreign policy and the military. Finally, Russia, despite some advances after the Revolution of 1905, was still pretty much an autocracy where the Tsar had enormous power.

Going back to our times, the constitution of the United Kingdom, despite changing from time to time, is to a large extent pretty much settled now, at least in terms of the role of the monarch and his/her relation to other institutions like the government or Parliament. I don't expect there will be any changes in that respect then under Charles or William. Most of what I expect to change is actually in the realm of family traditions and social events (Christmas at Sandrigham, the Ascot races, etc.) as well as protocol and the daily running of the Royal Household.
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Old 07-02-2017, 04:46 AM
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I didn't say I wanted him to die. Reality is folks sometimes die. In 10 years look at the age he will be.



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Old 07-02-2017, 01:32 PM
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I give up. I m not goig to discuss this.
The whole thread is about what happens after the death of QEII. Doesn't mean anyone wishes her ill.


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Old 08-12-2017, 07:56 AM
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Probably not new to UK readers, but dutch (gossip) media quotes a poll by the Sun about who should be the successor of QEII
Britten zien liever William als koning|Prive| Telegraaf.nl
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imo it's a no-win situation for P.Charles with regards to public opinion
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:13 AM
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How often is it necessary to repeat..? The BRF [nor any Monarchy] is NOT an elective one, nor a popularity contest. The Press can Poll 'till it's blue in the face' but the reality is the Succession is set down in LAW, and [if Charles outlives his Mother] he WILL be our next King.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:25 AM
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That's correct, but no monarch, especially a new one, can afford to ignore public opinion in these times either. Charles's popularity may have climbed out of the doldrums of the 1990s, but his poll figures over the last decade lag persistently behind his mother and his sons, and are nothing to what they should be considering his hard work and accomplishments.

The lead in the saddlebags re the unravelling of his first marriage and the views of some that he is an eccentric meddler, are extremely heavy. I believe that neither Clarence House officials or Prince Charles would be exactly happy with his popularity with his future subjects.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/422644...parker-bowles/
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:07 AM
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The So-called experts/commentators are out on twitter - here are some of them:

Charlie Proctor‏ @MonarchyUK
It isn't a 'shock poll' - what it is though is August
Picture of the Sun's front page:
https://twitter.com/MonarchyUK/statu...16397721264128

Charlie Proctor‏ @MonarchyUK
I personally would prefer Dame Edna to become King (or Queen) over Prince William at this moment in time.

Victoria Arbiter‏ @victoriaarbiter
Feeling pretty sorry for Prince Charles. Exceptional as she was & much as I miss her Diana was not without her own faults.

Victoria Arbiter‏ @victoriaarbiter
Charles is the longest serving heir apparent in British history. He's been preparing for the top job his whole life & may just surprise you.

Dickie Arbiter‏ @RoyalDickie
51% in @TheSun poll of 2000 - UK population 64.4m - say #PrinceWilliam should succeed The Queen. It's #PrinceCharles then William, end of.

Dickie Arbiter‏ @RoyalDickie
Only 2000 polled out of a UK population of 64.4m & comes in the wake of all the Diana documentaries. A true representation? I think not.

Elliot W Phillips‏ @royal_reviewer
The order is set, no amount of public whinging will change the outcome. Also Camilla will be Queen - the law hadn't been changed.

phil dampier‏ @phildampier
Interesting poll in The Sun. I don't think it will change anything but interesting Let's hope The Queen lives to 100!

paul connew‏ @paulconnew1
Hereditary Monarchy NOT popularity contest or reality TV public vote. Lukewarm monarchist(me)prefers that to superannuated politico president.

Edit: As you can see in the second tweet, Charlie Proctor‏ just couldn't hide his anti William feelings.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:21 AM
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but his poll figures over the last decade lag persistently behind his mother and his sons, and are nothing to what they should be considering his hard work and accomplishments.
No they are not Curryong and he cannot seem to improve with these polls no matter what he does. Considering recent TV and news articles about his late wife, I'm surprised they are not a bit lower.

That being said I do realize that the succession is no a popularity contest but this cannot make anyone at BP/CH or KP happy as I do believe that QEII and William do not want Charles to be skipped over.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:34 AM
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The Prince of Wales coming at Thyne Cote Cimetary was a great Event and impressed a lot of people and myself.
He is the best Crown Prince among the european Royals.
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Old 08-12-2017, 01:07 PM
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Hopefully, once the pseudo-news stories for the anniversary of Diana's death have waned, things will return to normal and Charles's "popularity" will rise some. I do think he doesn't get credit for his hard work, because that is not "entertaining."
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Old 08-12-2017, 01:16 PM
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A follow up article on the dutch site:
Prins Charles zit in het verdomhoekje|Prive| Telegraaf.nl
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Old 08-12-2017, 01:53 PM
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I'd love to see the poll results if they included more members of the RF - let's put Anne out there as well and see what results she gets? Or maybe Zara or Mia? Why not, if we can pick and choose the next sovereign? Major eyeroll
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