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Old 06-15-2013, 01:28 PM
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Alfonso's father died before he was born. My question was about who reigned between the death of the father and the birth of the son.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:33 PM
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After the death of King Afonso XII, the Throne became vacant, and his widow, Queen Maria Cristina, was Regent until King Afonso XIII was 16 years old.
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Alfonso's father died before he was born. My question was about who reigned between the death of the father and the birth of the son.
I know that my point was the wikipedia lists that Alfonso's father was his predecessor, meaning nobody ruled in the middle.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:56 PM
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I know that my point was the wikipedia lists that Alfonso's father was his predecessor, meaning nobody ruled in the middle.
The Dowager Queen ruled as Regent.
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:26 PM
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The Dowager Queen ruled as Regent.
Yes, but the Dowager Queen wasn't Queen in her own right. There was no official monarch at the time.
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:29 PM
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Yes, but the Dowager Queen wasn't Queen in her own right. There was no official monarch at the time.
I know that. But the point was who was ruling: Queen Maria Cristina.
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The Regency Act of 1831 said that the birth of the child would have resulted in an immediate change:

"...the Privy Council shall, upon the Birth of such Child, without Delay, cause such Child. as the Successor entitled to the Crown of these Realms, to be openly and solemnly proclaimed, in such Manner and Form as the Kings and Queens have been usually proclaimed after the Demise of their respective Predecessors."

"...upon the Birth of such Child the Two Houses of Parliament shall forthwith assemble, and all the Laws and Regulations now in force in regard to the Meeting, the Sitting, the Continuance, the Prorogation, and the Dissolution of Parliament, and to the Continuance of the Privy Council, and of Persons in their Offices, Places, and Employments, upon the Demise of the Crown and the Accession of the Successor, shall be deemed and taken to apply to the Succession of such Child, in the same Manner as if such Child had succeeded to the Crown upon the Demise of Her Royal Highness the Princess Alexandrina Victoria, and as Her Heir."
So the way I'm reason this is that there would be no abdication, but rather at the birth of the posthumous child the new monarch would cease to be monarch in favour of the posthumous child, regardless of if he or she wishes to abdicate.

In the case of William and Victoria it would have gone William dies, his heir presumptive (Victoria) becomes monarch until William's posthumous child and heir apparent is born, then the heir apparent is automatically monarch an Victoria is cast aside. The same thing would have happened with HM, had QEQM been pregnant with a son at KGVI's death.

In the case of William and Harry, it would go HM would die, along with her heir apparent (Charles), and his heir apparent (William), causing his heir presumptive (Harry) to be monarch, until such time as William's posthumous child is born. Then Harry ceases to be king and the child becomes monarch.
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The Regency Act 1831 however had ceased to be effective from Victoria's 18th birthday, when no Regency was needed, as the 1831 Act dealth specifically with Victoria as a minor and who would be regent for her and the eventuality of two minor heirs and no new legislation had been passed to take effect to cover the eventuality. There have also been several Regency Acts since then and that Act dealt with a specific situation - named persons, not general situations.

The 1937 Regency Act was designed to deal with ALL future regencies rather than have to pass new laws each time there was a minor although it was modified specifically for Philip to be Regent, in the case of the death or incapacity of The Queen and that Act is now no longer relevant as there are children and grandchildren over 18 to serve instead - so back to 1937.
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