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08-29-2010, 08:36 PM
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Ancestors of HRH Princess Michael of Kent.
Ancestors of HRH Princess Michael of Kent
Sinners and Saints is a different kind of book that may well be the first of its kind. The book is a collection of small interesting biographies for selected ancestors of HRH Princess Michael of Kent. Several of these are also ancestors of persons active in medieval genealogy newgroups: Brice Clagett, Chico Doria, Ian Fettes, Peter de Loriol, John Ravilious, William Addams Reitwiesner, Gilbert von Studnitz, Nathaniel Taylor and Kelsey Williams. The biographies appear in time order and with each biography it is recorded how many times that person is an ancestor of Princess Michael of Kent. In addition, after each biography is a basic genealogical line displayed to another ancestral descendant with a biography; so all lines end with HRH Princess Michael of Kent.
The ancestry of Princess Michael of Kent has been ignored for too long, especially as she has such interesting ancestors. For instance at the last count 188 Knights of the Order of the Golden Fleece, 47 Knights and Ladies of the Garter as well as the following Magna Carta Sureties: Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk; Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk; Henry de Bohun, 1st Earl of Hereford; Gilbert de Clare, 5th Earl of Hertford; Richard de Clare, 4th Earl of Hertford; John de Lacy, 1st Earl of Lincoln; Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester and Robert de Vere, 3rd Earl of Oxford.
Charlemagne and William the Conquerer, of course.
As well as these she also has the famous painter Peter Paul Rubens, explorer Hernando Cortes and also ancestors who were in Peru when the Spanish settled there.
Of the 1175 ancestors, 1037 were born before the year 1600.
Amongst the ancestors two popes can be found.
What seems surprising is that her French ancestors seem to be the second largest group. Also a reference can be found to the possible descent from early Chinese Emperors.
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08-30-2010, 07:55 PM
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Yes,she has also descended from Chinese Emperors!Here is her line:
Emperor Su Tsung (Tang)
Ning-Kuo (daughter) m. Moyenhur (Uighur)
Bayanue (daughter) m. Surkhab II (Tabaristan)
Sharwin I
Karim
Shahriyar I
Qarin
Abul Melik
Surkhab
Gregory Abu-Hamza
Michke Abou-Hamza m. Katchik-Gagik (Vaspurakin)
Abu Sahl Hamazasp III Vaspurakan m. Gaday
Derenik Artsrouni
Katchik I T'ornavan
Hasan Artsruni
Abul Gharib Arcruni
daughter m. Auschin I (Lampron)
Hethum II de Lampron
Alix de Lampron m. Balian d'Ibelin
Guy d'Ibelin
m. Isabella d'Ibelin
Alix d'Ibelin m. Hugh de Lusignan
Jacques I
de Lusignan m.Helvis von Braunschweig-Grubenhagen
James I de Lusignan m. Charlotte de Bourbon
Anne de Lusignan m. Louis of Savoy
Philippe of Savoy m. Claude de Brosse
Charles III of Savoy m. Beatrice of Portugal
Emanuele Filiberto of Savoy m. Marguerite of France
Carlo Emanuele of Savoy m. Catalina Michaela of Spain
Tomaso Francesco of Savoy-Carignano m. Marie de Bourbon-Soissons
Emanuele Filiberto of Savoy-Carignano m. Maria Angela d'Este
Vittorio Amedeo of Savoy-Carignano m. Vittoria Francesca of Savoy-Susa
Luigi Vittorio of Savoy-Carignano m. Christine von Hessen-Rheinfels-Rothenburg
Gabrielle of of Savoy-Carignano m. Ferdinand von Lobkowicz
Josef von Lobkowicz m. Maria Karolina von Schwarznberg
Gabrielle von Lobkowicz m. Vincenz von Auersperg
Vincenz Karl von Auersperg m. Wilhelmine von Colloredo-Mansfeld
Gabrielle von Auersperg m. Alfred von Windisch-Graetz
Hedwig von Windisch-Graetz m. Friedrich Szapary de Muraszombath
Marianne Szapary de Muraszombath m. Gunther-Hubertus von Reibnitz
MARIE-CHRISTINE von REIBNITZ
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Tang Dynasty ancestry of British Royalty
Tang Dynasty ancestry of British Royalty
Emperor Su Tsung (Tang)
Ning-Kuo (daughter) m. Moyenhur (Uighur)
Bayanue (daughter) m. Surkhab II (Tabaristan)
Sharwin I
Karim
Shahriyar I
Qarin
Abul Melik
Surkhab
Abul-Hamza
Michke m. Katchik-Gagik (Vaspurakin)
Abu Sahl Hamazasp III
Derenik
Katchik I
Hasan
Abul Gharib
daughter m. Auschin I (Lampron)
Hetum II
Alix m. Balian d'Ibelin
Guy d'Ibelin
Alix d'Ibelin m. Hugh de Lusignan
Jacques I
James I de Lusignan m. Charlotte Bourbon
Anne de Lusignan m. Louis (Savoy)
Margaret m. Peter (Luxemburg) 1390-1433
Louis
Peter
Marie m. Francis Bourbon
Antoinette m. Claude, Duke of Guise
Mary m. James V of Scotland
James VI
Elizabeth m. Frederick V of Bavaria
Sophia m. Ernst Augustus, Elector of Hanover
George I
George II
Frederick
George III
Edward
Victoria
Edward VII
George V
George VI
Elizabeth II
Tang Dynasty ancestry of British Royalty - Monarchy Forum
"There are numerous problems with this genealogy, nevertheless, I've personally confirmed this descent. Congrats to Elizabeth II on her Tang ancestry. And further checking has revealed that Elizabeth II has descent from Laozi thru the Tang dynasty. She obviously has the greatest ancestry in the world. She also has descent from the Tuoba and Yuwen, two clans of the Xianbei people, a Mongolic people."
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08-31-2010, 09:35 AM
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Well,not just Queen Elizabeth II,but most noble people can claim their descent from Chinese Emperors,just like Marie-Christine does herself...
Btw,Queen Elizabeth II also descended from Mongolian Chinese Emperors through Queen Mary and her Hungarian ancestors...
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08-31-2010, 04:16 PM
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Unproven & Unsubstantiated
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Originally Posted by Marc23
Yes,she has also descended from Chinese Emperors!Here is her line:
Emperor Su Tsung (Tang)
Ning-Kuo (daughter) m. Moyenhur (Uighur)
Bayanue (daughter) m. Surkhab II (Tabaristan)
Sharwin I
Karim
Shahriyar I
Qarin
Abul Melik
Surkhab
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This line has not be substantiated. I would consider the genealogy above Abu Hamza to be unproven until further evidence comes to light.
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post1131421
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08-31-2010, 04:26 PM
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Sounds interesting to "investigate"...if you find something more,please post ;-)
As you said,some Chinese papers published her ancestry when she paid a visit to China in 1986...it was about her ancestry from Tang dynasty!
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11-28-2010, 06:05 AM
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Thank you,I wish to see any pics of Princess Michael in childhood or in her teen ages.As well are there any pics of her parents?
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11-28-2010, 06:27 AM
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Princess Michael speaks English, German and French fluently, it is said that she also speaks a bit Czech and I believe Hungarian, too.
That's her father Günther Baron von Reibnitz: http://oi55.tinypic.com/1scu3s.jpg
And that's her mother, Maria Anna Countess Szapáry von Muraszombath: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2bek1w.jpg
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11-28-2010, 06:48 AM
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Thank you!I only wonder now how she looked in her teen ages.
By the way,in an interview to Russian TV company,Princess Michael said her grandmother from paternal side was Russian.Is this true?
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11-28-2010, 07:02 AM
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You're welcome, Lenora!  There's a biography about Princess Michael by Barry Everingham and it has a portrait from her as a teenager in it. Her paternal grandmother was Ida von Eichstedt whose father was German and her mother, Ida Crone, was the daughter of a Jewish merchant. I know nothing about the Crone's origin and if there's a Russian link. Perhaps someone can help us here? I believe I've read something similar and Princess Michael told that one of her grandfathers had lived and served in Russia. But I'm not sure, I'm sorry!
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There is an extensive genealogy of Princess Michael on her Wiki page (scroll down).
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11-28-2010, 07:11 AM
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You're welcome, Lenora! There's a biography about Princess Michael by Barry Everingham and it has a portrait from her as a teenager in it. Her paternal grandmother was Ida von Eichstedt whose father was German and her mother, Ida Crone, was the daughter of a Jewish merchant. I know nothing about the Crone's origin and if there's a Russian link. Perhaps someone can help us here? I believe I've read something similar and Princess Michael told that one of her grandfathers had lived and served in Russia. But I'm not sure, I'm sorry! |
Thank you so much!I've found some info on the book,where it's writen that she was dark-haired in her teen ages.Unfortunately I didn't find the picture,could it be on google or any other link?
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Thank you, Warren!! And you're more than welcome, Lenora!  I've scanned the picture of Marie-Christine: http://oi55.tinypic.com/23ln36.jpg
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11-28-2010, 08:28 AM
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Thank you so much,I am from Russia and I will be glad to know more on Princess Michael of Kent who visits very often Russia along with her husband.
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11-28-2010, 10:10 AM
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WOW!!!! You can REALLY see the resemblance between M-C and her son. This was awesome of you to scan this photo for us Dierna. Thank you
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11-28-2010, 10:34 AM
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Stunning photo, such a natural beauty! Thank you so much, Dierna! Princess Michael's genealogy is a truly fascinating one.  I've never heard of a Russian ancestor though - maybe one of her ancestors lived or worked in Russia, nothing more.
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11-28-2010, 10:54 AM
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WOW!!!! You can REALLY see the resemblance between M-C and her son. This was awesome of you to scan this photo for us Dierna. Thank you |
Princess Michael of Kent is beautiful as a blond,but I think she was stunning brunette!
By the way,I wonder what is her natural eyes colour.I think they are green or hazel.
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11-28-2010, 06:38 PM
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I think she was stunning brunette!
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I agree ... in this photo she reminds me of a young Elizabeth Taylor.
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11-29-2010, 01:01 PM
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That's exactly what I thought. I think she has green eyes and the book at least states that she's dark-haired by nature.
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It's been quite a while since I've seen such an old picture of Reibi, as we used to call Günther. Doesn't he look dreadfully serious here? He used to visit my mother when he returned to Europe. Funny old guy. However, it is right that his grandmother was Jewish. MC does resemble her father more than one might think.
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