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Old 02-25-2014, 03:27 PM
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I [for one] shall be writing to the Secretary General of the Commonwealth demanding the expulsion/suspension of Uganda unless and until it annuls the barbaric law {against a section of its own populace} signed by its President yesterday.

This persecution of LGBT people is an outrage, and the law is an invitation to murder..
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Old 04-08-2014, 03:27 PM
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Iīm in need of a commonwealth-constitution-expert!
My question is about royal titles of the royal family in the 15 Commonwealth countries the Queen is head of state of; some years ago I watched an interview of an Commonwealth constitutionalist who stated that Camilla couldnīt simply be ignored becoming Queen because the wife of the british monarch was automatically Queen as soon as the King would ascend the throne. If there were plans to style her something like "Princess Consort" (because of her "controversial background"), all these 15 countries would also first to be consulted to agree on that or renounce it. Otherwise she would certainly be Queen (perhaps not the "Queen of New Zealand, Australia etc., but still the Queen, in the sense of wife-of-the-king).
Strictly this would mean that the D o Edinb. was "Philip Mountbatten" in the Commonw. countries his wife is head of state of and not Prince Philip... (but thatīs, as we know, not the case!).
As one poster stated before, consorts wouldnīt hold any title in Australia, for instance, as they donīt have a constitutinal role in the country, this seems to be a contradiction of what the constitutionalist said above?!
Anyone knowing the truth?
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Iīm in need of a commonwealth-constitution-expert!
My question is about royal titles of the royal family in the 15 Commonwealth countries the Queen is head of state of; some years ago I watched an interview of an Commonwealth constitutionalist who stated that Camilla couldnīt simply be ignored becoming Queen because the wife of the british monarch was automatically Queen as soon as the King would ascend the throne. If there were plans to style her something like "Princess Consort" (because of her "controversial background"), all these 15 countries would also first to be consulted to agree on that or renounce it. Otherwise she would certainly be Queen (perhaps not the "Queen of New Zealand, Australia etc., but still the Queen, in the sense of wife-of-the-king).
Strictly this would mean that the D o Edinb. was "Philip Mountbatten" in the Commonw. countries his wife is head of state of and not Prince Philip... (but thatīs, as we know, not the case!).
As one poster stated before, consorts wouldnīt hold any title in Australia, for instance, as they donīt have a constitutinal role in the country, this seems to be a contradiction of what the constitutionalist said above?!
Anyone knowing the truth?

The only person who has any titles in the other Realms is the monarch. Everyone else uses their British titles by courtesy. The DoE continues to be the DoE not because he holds the title in any other realm but because the other realms recognize his British titles. In some realms there is an official royal family that extends beyond the monarch, while in other realms there is not.
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The only person who has any titles in the other Realms is the monarch. Everyone else uses their British titles by courtesy. The DoE continues to be the DoE not because he holds the title in any other realm but because the other realms recognize his British titles. In some realms there is an official royal family that extends beyond the monarch, while in other realms there is not.

So, this "expert" about the consultation of Commonwealth-country-governments about the "Queen-title" concerning the Dss o Cornwall was wrong?
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So, this "expert" about the consultation of Commonwealth-country-governments about the "Queen-title" concerning the Dss o Cornwall was wrong?

I wouldn't say that they're wrong, but I also wouldn't say that they're right.

There is an assumption that when you have a King who is in a non-morganatic marriage then his wife is a Queen. Therefore, it could be assumed that when Charles is King of New Zealand, for example, his wife will be Queen of New Zealand. This is an assumption, though, as there isn't any established precedent within the realms. There hasn't been a "King of New Zealand" before though; prior to HM's reign, the monarch didn't use individual titles in each of the realms.

If the Realms decide that they wish to recognize the king's consort with a title then it won't be as easy as people think for Camilla to be Princess Consort (and even if they don't, it isn't an easy thing even just in Britain).

Camilla's future titles in the realms are not comparable to her current titles or to the titles of other royals (othe than HM), including the DoE, in the realms though. The Realms only grant titles to the monarch and possibly the wife of the monarch. They recognize other British titles by courtesy and may consider members of the BRF to also be members of their own royal family (or they may not). The DoE's titles now are not automatic titles granted to the consort of a Queen, they're titles that were granted to him specifically.
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