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Old 10-06-2008, 07:50 AM
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I have always heard that it is Scottish titles that can be inherited by the female line.
There are some Scottish titles with special reminders as well as some old English baronies. But in general Scottish titles cannot be inherited through the female line. It used to be more common till the renaissance, as in medieval times men could die much more easily before marrying or fathering an heir, so often their sisters would inherit. Therefore eg. all sisters inherit together and it's up to the king (today parliament) to decide which sister's husband or son would be the new lord. Some titles are still in abeyance today because the family could not agree onto one heir and the souverain/Parliament did not want to decide.
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There are some Scottish titles with special reminders as well as some old English baronies. But in general Scottish titles cannot be inherited through the female line.
What brought this to mind was the mention of Sutherland. When the 4th Duke Alistair Sutherland-Leveson-Gower died his daughter inherited the Scottish title of 24th Countess of Sutherland because she couldn´t inherit that of the Duke because it was English.
Strange really when we remember the Great Queens of England who inherited their titles because of a lack of male heirs.
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Lady Caroline Blackwood

Is anyone else a fan of this lovely, talented, recently deceased Lady?

Lady Caroline Maureen Hamilton-Temple-Blackwood (July 16, 1931February 14, 1996) was a writer and artist's muse, and the eldest child of Basil Hamilton-Temple-Blackwood, 4th Marquess of Dufferin and Ava and the brewery heiress Maureen Guinness.
A well-known figure in the literary world through her journalism and her novels, Caroline Blackwood was equally well-known for her high-profile marriages, first to the artist Lucian Freud, then to the composer Israel Citkowitz and finally to the poet Robert Lowell, who described her as "a mermaid who dines upon the bones of her winded lovers". Her novels are known for their wit and intelligence, and one in particular is scathingly autobiographical in describing her unhappy childhood.
She was born at 4 Hans Crescent in Knightsbridge, her parents' London house, and was, she admitted, "scantily educated" at Rockport School in County Down, at Brilliantmont in Lausanne, and at Downham in Essex. After a finishing school in Oxford she was presented as a debutante in 1949 at a ball held at Londonderry House. Plump, ungainly and lacking in confidence as a teenager, she soon blossomed into a captivating blonde beauty with startlingly large blue eyes.

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Blackwood’s first job was with Hulton Press as a secretary, but she was soon given small reporting jobs by Claud Cockburn. Ann Fleming, the wife of "James Bond" author Ian Fleming, introduced Caroline to Lucian Freud, and the two eloped to Paris in 1952. In Paris she met Picasso (and reportedly refused to wash for three days after he drew on her hands and nails), and after their marriage on December 9, 1953 she became a striking figure in London's bohemian circles; the Gargoyle Club and Colony Room replaced Belgravia drawing rooms as her haunts. She sat for several of Freud's finest portraits, including Girl In Bed, which testifies to her alluring beauty. She was impressed by the ruthless vision of Freud and Francis Bacon and her later fiction was a literary version of their view of humanity.
In the early 1960s Caroline Blackwood began contributing to Encounter, the London Magazine, and other periodicals on subjects such as beatniks, Ulster sectarianism, women's lib theatre and New York free schools. Although these articles were elegant, minutely observed and sometimes wickedly funny, they had, according to Christopher Isherwood, a persistent flaw: "She is only capable of thinking negatively. Confronted by a phenomenon, she asks herself: what is wrong with it?" During the mid-1960s she had an affair with Bob Silvers, the founder and co-editor of the New York Review of Books and although her marriage to Israel Citkowitz was over, he continued to live near her and served as a nanny-duenna until his death.
Her third husband Robert Lowell was a crucial influence on her talents as a novelist. He encouraged her to write her first book, For All That I Found There (1973), which was named after an Ulster Protestant marching song and formed a coruscating memoir of her daughter’s treatment in a burns unit. Blackwood’s first novel The Stepdaughter (1976) appeared three years later to much acclaim, and is a concise and gripping monologue by a rich, self-pitying woman deserted by her husband in a plush New York apartment and tormented by her fat stepdaughter. It won the David Higham Prize for best first novel. Great Granny Webster followed in 1977 and was partly derived on her own miserable childhood, and depicted an austere and loveless old woman’s destructive impact on her daughter and granddaughter. It was short-listed for the Booker Prize.
In 1980 came The Last of the Duchess, a study of the relations between the Duchess of Windsor and her cunning lawyer, Maître Suzanne Blum; it could not be published until after Blum’s death in 1995. Her third novel The Fate of Mary Rose (1981) describes the effect on a Kent village of the rape and torture of a ten year-old girl named Maureen and is narrated by a selfish historian whose obsessions destroy his domestic life. After this came a collection of five short stories, Good Night Sweet Ladies (1983) followed by her final novel, Corrigan (1984), which was the least successful and depicts the effects on a depressed widow of a charming, energetic but sinister cripple who erupts into her life.
Blackwood’s later books were based on interviews and vignettes, including On The Perimeter (1984) which focused her attentions on the women’s peace encampment at the Greenham Common air base in Berkshire, and In The Pink (1987) which was a reflective, ghoulish book looking at the hunting and the hunt saboteur fraternities and exposed the many obsessive personalities of both fox-hunters and animal rights activists.

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Her marriage to Lucian Freud disintegrated soon after they tied the knot and in 1957 Blackwood moved to New York where she studied acting at the Stella Adler School. She also went to Hollywood and appeared in several films. Her marriage to Freud was finally dissolved in Mexico in 1958. Meeting her in that year, Isherwood noted that "Caroline was round eyed as usual, either dumb or scared". On August 15, 1959 she married the pianist Israel Citkowitz (1909-1974), a man who would have been the same age as her father. They had three daughters, although a deathbed admission revealed that the screenwriter Ivan Moffat was the father of her youngest daughter, Ivana.
Blackwood returned to live in London in 1970 and that April began a relationship with the manic-depressive poet Robert Lowell. Lowell was at the time a visiting professor at All Souls College, Oxford. Their son, Sheridan, was born on September 28, 1971, and after obtaining divorces from their respective spouses, Blackwood and Lowell were married on October 21, 1972. They lived in London and Milgate in Kent. The sequence of poems in Lowell's The Dolphin (1973) provides a disrupted narrative of his involvement with Blackwood and the birth of their son. She was distressed and confused in her reactions to Lowell's manic episodes, and felt useless during his attacks and afraid of their effect on her children. Her anxieties, alcohol-related illnesses, and late-night tirades exacerbated his condition. Lowell died clutching one of Freud’s portraits of Blackwood in the back seat of a New York cab, on his way back to his second wife, Elizabeth Hardwick. This heartache was followed a year later by the death of her daughter Natalya from a drug overdose at the age of 18.
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To avoid tax, Blackwood left England in 1977 and went to live in an apartment at the great Georgian mansion of Castletown House, County Kildare, which was owned by her cousin Desmond Guinness. Ten years later in 1987 she returned to the United States, settling in a large, comfortable house in Sag Harbor, Long Island where, although her powers were greatly depleted by alcoholism, she continued to write, including two vivid memoirs of Princess Margaret and Francis Bacon, published in the New York Review of Books in 1992.
During her final illness Blackwood never lost her dark, macabre humour. On her deathbed Anna Haycraft brought her some holy water from Lourdes which was accidentally spilled on her bed sheets. “I might have caught my death,” she muttered.
Caroline Blackwood died on February 14, 1996 from cancer at the Mayfair Hotel on Park Avenue in New York aged 64. She was survived by her two younger daughters Eugenia (b. 1963), who is married to the actor Julian Sands, and Ivana (b. 1966), her son Sheridan, her sister Lady Perdita Blackwood and her mother, who died two years later, aged 91.

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Hey, I was just reading in another part of the forums, about how some german nobilties use 'von' and such and the french use 'de' to designate the origin of their fathers or mothers title. My question is why is it uncommon for british nobles to use 'of PLACE NAME' in their names?

We see that the royals use it 'of Wales' ect. So why not others? Any information would help as to why this is like this, is it illegal, or just uncommon?

PS. I have just read about a british noble that styled themselves 'of PLACE' (cannot rember the name) is it just personal choice?

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Old 11-03-2008, 01:14 PM
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From what I've seen the place names are used with the actual title rather than as a surname, although the Earl of Harrington has the surname Stanhope, which is where his family originated 'way back when' after the Norman Conquest. However, his distant cousin was the Earl of Stanhope (the original title in the extended family). The Earl of Chesterfield was also surnamed Stanhope and was another relative. That was a family then that used both the original place name in the surname but used other communities for titles in the extended family.
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Titles follow very strict legal rules when they are created in the United Kingdom. Titles of all levels are often created "of a particular place," and it's sometimes mandatory to use the territorial designation with the title.
(See the wikipedia article "Territorial designation," it is explained pretty well.
What is interesting to note is that in France the territorial designation often is used in place of the surname, therefore the family Carpentier de Changy will often use "de Changy" without the original surname. In Germany, families who held names and titles concurrently sometimes connected them after the formation of the Weimar Republic. Therefore "Freiherr Johann Schmidt von Schmidtburg" might now be called "Johann Freiherr von Schmidt-Schmidtburg."
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BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Mid Wales | Eco-centre's 'green pioneer' dies

"Gerard Morgan-Grenville has died(passed away) in Dorset at the age of 77(He was the great-grandson of the last Duke of Buckingham and Chandos)."
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Very sad that he lost his fight with cancer. The centre is superb, with many an idea to be taken home. Truly a pioneer.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5120198/Ghostly-figure-could-be-Grand-National-earl.html

"Ghostly figure could be Grand National earl(Croxteth Hall)."
"The7th Earl of Sefton, Hugh William Osbert Molyneux or the 2nd Earl of Sefton, William Philip Molyneux."


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To avoid tax, Blackwood left England in 1977 and went to live in an apartment at the great Georgian mansion of Castletown House, County Kildare, which was owned by her cousin Desmond Guinness. Ten years later in 1987 she returned to the United States, settling in a large, comfortable house in Sag Harbor, Long Island where, although her powers were greatly depleted by alcoholism, she continued to write, including two vivid memoirs of Princess Margaret and Francis Bacon, published in the New York Review of Books in 1992.
During her final illness Blackwood never lost her dark, macabre humour. On her deathbed Anna Haycraft brought her some holy water from Lourdes which was accidentally spilled on her bed sheets. “I might have caught my death,” she muttered.
Caroline Blackwood died on February 14, 1996 from cancer at the Mayfair Hotel on Park Avenue in New York aged 64. She was survived by her two younger daughters Eugenia (b. 1963), who is married to the actor Julian Sands, and Ivana (b. 1966), her son Sheridan, her sister Lady Perdita Blackwood and her mother, who died two years later, aged 91.

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Former Royal butler freed of criminal tag to serve countess - Telegraph

"Countess of Arran-Grade 1 listed Castle Hill estate-near Barnstaple, Devon."


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"Rich aristocratic couple suing own lawyer for failing to stop them losing £8m to conman."

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/5300719/Royal-nanny-has-sporting-chance-to-sell-family-seat.html

"(Shan Legge-Bourke-Glanusk, near Brecon Beacons, Wales)."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/charlesmoore/5309482/Home-to-Roost-a-grand-duchess-of-rare-style-and-authority.html


"Dowager Duchess of Devonshire is 89 years old(nee - Deborah Mitford of the famous Mitford sisters)."

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article6285896.ece

"Thomas Cholmondeley sentenced to eight months over Kenya ranch killing."

"He is the heir to the fifth Baron Delamere, and great-grandson of Lord Delamere."

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/article6289093.ece

"Sara Apsley to shut upmarket Clothes Agency site to spend more time with family."

"Lady Apsley, 43-year-old wife of the heir to the £45 million Bathurst Estate-Eastnor Castle, Ledbury, Herefordshire, England, UK."

Courtesy of Wikipedia and the Official Website-Eastnor Castle.

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Courtesy of BBC, Wikipedia & Official website-Finlaggan Trust.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8052366.stm

"Centre sheds light on sea kingdom(Lord of the Isles-Clan Donald-islands of Finlaggan Loch, Highlands, Scotland, UK)."

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Interview with the Marchioness of Worcester about her life and pigs

"They’ve been dubbed the champagne swampies – beautiful, aristocratic greenies who’ll happily chain themselves to trees before that motorway slices through the estate: Zac Goldsmith, David de Rothschild, Tamsin Omond.
Champion of the eco-toffs, however, has to be Tracy Worcester. Her secondary-modern first name belies the fact that she is married to the Marquess of Worcester, son of the Duke of Beaufort, who will in due course inherit the 52,000-acre Badminton estate. She splits her time between a cottage there and her Belgravia townhouse, a paean to shabby chic, where she is now passing mugs of coffee beneath signed Francis Bacon prints. Is the Maserati outside hers?"

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VERY long interview with Lindy, the marchioness of Dufferin

Mind there are 5 (FIVE) pages:

The Marchioness

A member of the fabled and complicated Guinness family by birth and marriage, Lindy, the Marchioness of Dufferin and Ava, presides over Clandeboye, an astounding 2,000-acre estate in Northern Ireland.

By James Reginato
Photographs by Simon Watson


February 2009

On a meadow deep within Clandeboye, her magnificent 2,000-acre estate in Northern Ireland, a tempest has just lashed her mass of curly hair and splattered mud about her, but Lindy, the Marchioness of Dufferin and Ava, doesn’t so much as ask for a brush when it’s time to take her portrait. Instead, the sprightly Lady Dufferin frets about her 130 heifers, some of which are also due to be photographed. “I’ve ordered the cows to be washed,” she explains. “Where’s Willow?” she asks a gamekeeper somewhat nervously. “Is she ready?”
Willow, it turns out, is the bovine Miss Universe—Ireland’s Supreme Champion, Cow of the Year, and the undisputed star of the Clandeboye Herd, voted No. 1 in all of the UK in 2007.

Dufferin, 67, has traditionally guarded her privacy and never fully opened her home, or herself, to the press. But cow pride—and perhaps some newfound business savvy—seems to have softened her reserve. “Tears,” she says, when asked of her reaction to the top herd honor. On the heels of this award, she has just launched Clandeboye Estate Yoghurt from the milk of these fine beasts, an artisanal product that the UK’s leading supermarkets, Sainsbury’s and Tesco, vied for the honor of carrying first. When asked which one she was likely to choose, Dufferin confessed to a reporter that she “[hadn’t] a clue,” because she’d never been to a supermarket, prompting the British press to make predictable fun of her. Still, the very p.c. New Statesman admitted that the “hideous unfairness” of the class system had nonetheless produced “some wonderful eccentrics,” namely Dufferin.

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W House Tours: The Marchioness: Art & Design: Wmagazine.com
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The Charity Event of the Year - The Daily Beast
The Marquess of Northampton's daughter Lady Emily Compton and Alexander Spencer Churchill at an exclusive auction benefitting Gorbachev's foundation
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David Rocksavage, the Marquess of Cholmondeley, is engaged to Rose Hanbury

"A regular on the lists of the capital's most eligible bachelors for the past three decades, David Rocksavage, the Marquess of Cholmondeley, is finally to settle down. He is engaged to Rose Hanbury, a beguiling socialite who is 25 years his junior"

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