The British Nobility thread 1: Ending 2022

[Pairs of the Realm]

Edward “Ned” Lambton, The Earl of Durham is currently married to Marina Hanbury (now Lambton), the sister of The Marchioness of Cholmondeley (Rose). Ned’s first wife was Christabel McEwen, daughter of Romana (née von Hofmannsthal) and Rory McEwen (a son of a Scottish baronet). Romana was the daughter of Raimund von Hofmannsthal and his first wife, Ava Alice Muriel Astor, one of the “dollar princesses” and a scion of the Astors. Ava Alice’s father was John Jacob “Jack” Astor IV, the richest man aboard the Titanic (and unfortunately died in the sinking). Raimund’s father was the famed Austrian novelist and librettist to Strauss, Hugo von Hofmannsthal.

Christabel is currently married to musician Jools Holland. She is also a (half) first cousin of Rodolphe von Hofmannsthal, the son-in-law of the late 1st Earl of Snowdon (and therefore a brother-in-law of the current Earl and his sister Lady Sarah Chatto, the Queen’s nephew and niece) as Rodolphe is married to Lady Frances Armstrong-Jones. Rodolphe’s grandmother is Raimund’s second wife, Lady Elizabeth Paget.

 

[AC21091968]

Both Marina and Rose Hanbury reportedly worked for MPs. According to Wikipedia Marina worked as a parliamentary assistant to Labour MP Kate Hoey, until 2010.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lambton,_7th_Earl_of_Durham

Rose Hanbury "worked as a political researcher for Conservative MP Michael Gove, but left after having her first two children".
https://www.tatler.com/article/who-is-rose-hanbury-the-marchioness-of-cholmondeley

Rose Cholmondeley, Marchioness of Cholmondeley at one point was walking next to Sarah Vine (Daily Mail Columnist and Michael Gove's wife) at the State Banquet for President Donald Trump's state visit. Michael Gove at that time was Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.
https://www.alamy.com/rose-hanbury-...day-state-visit-to-the-uk-image248321604.html

Both Rose and Marina Hanbury made headline in 2005, when they were in holiday with Tony Blair (then Prime Minister).

Their maternal grandmother Lady Elizabeth Lambert, (their mother's mother) was one of eight bridesmaids at the Queen’s 1947 wedding to the Duke of Edinburgh.

It's not surprising that both Rose and Marina worked for politician, given that Rose's husband, David Cholmondeley, 7th Marquess of Cholmondeley is the Lord Great Chamberlain. The Lord Great Chamberlain is the sixth of the Great Officers of State (not the Great Offices of State). This position is ceremonial and has been held by his father, grandfather and ancestors.

 

[Pairs of the Realm]

The Peerage blog posted that Harold "Hal" Messel, son of the 1st Earl's cousin Thomas Messel, just got married to Jasmin Barrowclough, last August in Portugal.

https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2020/08/messelbarrowclough-engagement.html

I do follow Hal on Instagram (he's a sweetie!) and he works as a sculptor. Like the rest of the Snowdons, they inherit strongly from their artistic Messel genes - especially that Oliver Messel is an ancestor, and Oliver's grandfather was Edward Linley Sambourne, the Victorian artist and cartoonist of Punch Magazine.

Hal's website - https://www.halmessel.com

Hal's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/halmessel/?hl=en

I'll continue posting on the extended Snowdon family here in this thread so as not to cloud much in the British Nobility Thread (and that's a lot!). Of course we still have the separate threads on David & Serena and Sarah & Daniel. Though I wonder, when David and Serena's divorce becomes final, where do we put Serena updates?

 

[AC21091968]

Daisy Bell, daughter of Timothy Bell, Baron Bell (Campaign worker/adviser to Margaret Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher) married Andrew Gray (an Australian banker) last weekend in Chelsea Old Town Hall.

Daisy Bell - daughter of Margaret Thatcher's PR man Lord Bell - marries Australian banker in Chelsea
Daisy was on holiday with Cressida Bonas in Australia when she first spied Andrew in a bar on Bondi Beach, Sydney
https://www.tatler.com/article/tim-...n-banker-andrew-gray-at-chelsea-old-town-hall

From Daisy's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGcVWY_AFpB/?utm_source=ig_embed

Richard Eden (Daily Mail) has a more close-up shot of the married couple: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGb6qR3nHz3/?utm_source=ig_embed

Congratulation to the newly wed couple!!!

 

[An Ard Ri]

Lord Rosse the half brother of the late 1st Earl of Snowdon turned 84 day!

 

[An Ard Ri]

The Book of Lismore a 15th Century Irish Manuscript was donated back to the Irish people by the Duke of Devonshire on behalf of the Chatsworth Settlement and will be housed at University College Cork.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1027/1174296-book-of-lismore/

 

[AC21091968]

The Marchioness of Dufferin and Ava (wife of 5th Marquess of Dufferin and Ava) has passed away on 26th October. She was an artist, conservationist and businesswoman. "She was still painting earlier this year, and during lockdown produced some wonderful landscapes, with plans for an exhibition. The cause of her death is not known."

https://www.tatler.com/article/marchioness-of-dufferin-and-ava-dies-aged-79
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituar...-ava-artist-conservationist-chatelaine-great/
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/register/the-marchioness-of-dufferin-and-ava-obituary-m0dlfrlz2

 

[AC21091968]

I know that this topic has been discussed vigorously in earlier posts.

Lady Kinvara Balfour has written in the Telegraph to call an end to male primogeniture for hereditary peerages. Unfortunately, it's behind a paywall.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/28/time-scrap-rules-stop-women-inheriting-family-peerages/

Luckily Tatler has picked up the article up and quoted some of the content in the Telegraph article
https://www.tatler.com/article/lady-kinvara-balfour-scrap-male-primogeniture-hereditary-peerages

Lady Kinvara Balfour is the second child of Roderick Balfour, 5th Earl of Balfour. The 5th Earl himself has no son, so the heir presumptive is his brother, Hon. Charles George Yule Balfour.

Balfour, Earl of (UK, 1922)
Peerage page for Roderick Balfour, 5th Earl of Balfour (Current holder): Person Page (M, #67067)

The heir presumptive's heir apparent is his (Hon. Charles George Yule Balfour) son, George Eustace Charles Balfour (b. 1991). George himself is the second and youngest child of Hon. Charles Balfour. George has an older sister, Eleanor Cecily Isabelle Cora Balfour (b. 1989)

Peerage Page for Hon. Charles George Yule Balfour (Heir presumptive): Person Page (M, #67069)

Lady Kinvara Balfour also mentioned about her mother, Lady Tessa Mary Isabel Fitzalan-Howard (b. 1950) being unable to inherit the Dukedom of Norfolk and sit in the House of Lords. Lady Tessa Fitzalan-Howard is the eldest daughter of Maj.-Gen. Miles Francis Stapleton Fitzalan Howard, 17th Duke of Norfolk. Instead it passed to Lady Tessa Fitzalan-Howard's younger brother (or Lady Kinvara Balfour's uncle), Edward William Fitzalan-Howard, 18th Duke of Norfolk (b. 1956). Lady Kinvara Balfour has stressed however, that "her mother’s younger brother, ‘Uncle Eddie’, has tended to these responsibilities ‘with aplomb’, as well as sharing ‘the castle with us all generously,’". She also said that "Not for a second am I maligning him or asking for the castle to be handed to my mother".

Peerage page for Lady Tessa Mary Isabel Fitzalan-Howard: Person Page (F, #67068)
Peerage page for the 17th Duke of Norfolk: Person Page (M, #2445)

The current heir apparent to the Norfolk Dukedom is the 18th Duke's eldest son, Henry Miles Fitzalan-Howard, Earl of Arundel (b. 1987). Henry Miles Fitzalan-Howard, Earl of Arundel is also the eldest of the 18th Duke's five children.
Peerage page for the 18th Duke of Norfolk: Person Page (M, #62313)

Referring to the Succession of the Crown Act in 2013, Lady Kinvara Balfour has called the Prime Minister and the government to change the inheritance law for hereditary peer in the House of Lords.

I apologised and possibly bored a lot of posters for this very long post

 

[CyrilVladisla]

AC21091968, This is not boring whatsoever. It is very informative to learn who the heirs of the heirs are.

 

[JR76]

Alistair Bruce pays tribute on twitter to his friend Lady Elizabeth Shakerley who died this morning.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1322865223234183168

Lady Elizabeth was born in 1941 at Windsor Castle to Viscount Anson and Anne Bowes-Lyon. Her mother was the niece of Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother and married secondly the Prince George of Denmark making her a cousin-in-law of both Belgian and Norwegian monarchs.
Lady Elizabeth, who was married to Sir Geoffrey Shakerley 6th Baronet in 1972-2009, was a close friend of her cousin The Queen and also of Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands and the King & Queen of Norway.

 

[maria-olivia]

Thank JR76 .She deserves a new thread !

 

[An Ard Ri]

May she rest in Peace I had forgotten the late Lord Lichfield was her older brother.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

Me neither, I didn't realise the Lichfield connection.

May she RIP.

 

[Lord_Royal]

Lady Elizabeth Shakerley (I always knew of her by her professional name Lady Elizabeth Anson) was one of those figures often in the background of many an important royal event and often gave commentary in documentaries about The Queen.

She was the soul of discretion and a very loyal friend to the Queen. May she rest in peace.

This is a great interview she gave to Kay Burley of Sky News:

 

[Countessmeout]

Though she may have only Prince George's stepdaughter, she retained a strong relationship with the Danish and Norway royals and some of the other royal relatives as well. Princess Beatrix is godmother to her daughter Fiona.

She was often seen at events for the continental royals. She attend GD Jean's funeral last year. Here she is with Anne, the Gloucters and the Countess of Burma at the funeral.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1124597721728417792

She was quite close to Harald and Sonja. She attended their joint 80th birthday.

 

[AC21091968]

Originally from the Daily Mail, but Tatler has picked this news up. Hon. Garrett Alexander Moore (son of Derry Moore, 12th Earl of Drogheda) is engaged to Colleen Camp.

A 1970s pin-up is engaged to the Earl of Drogheda's son
67-year-old Colleen Camp, who played a Playboy model in Apocalypse Now, is engaged to the Earl of Drogheda's 34-year-old son Garrett Moore
https://www.tatler.com/article/garrett-moore-son-of-earl-of-drogheda-engaged-to-colleen-camp

 

[An Ard Ri]

Good luck to them his older brother Benjamin Viscount Moore is the heir to the Earldom,I don't think he's married yet.

For an Anglo-Irish aristocratic family not much is ever heard about them here.

 

[Heavs]

Speaking to Eden, he said, ‘Colleen and her work are so inspirational and filled with light at this strange time that one forgets all else. It may seem like Harold And Maude to some on the sidelines, but I prefer the idea of Mrs Robinson in The Graduate.'

I'm not sure Mrs Robinson is a more positive descriptor than Harold and Maude but he does have a sense of humour about it.

Since I don't know either of them I can only wish them good luck.

 

[JR76]

I'm not sure Mrs Robinson is a more positive descriptor than Harold and Maude but he does have a sense of humour about it.

Since I don't know either of them I can only wish them good luck.

I'm not sure that the at the time (of filming The Graduate) 37-year old Anne Bancroft would be that happy about being compared to the 75-year (at the time of filming H&M) old Ruth Gordon

 

[Mirabel]

I'm not sure Mrs Robinson is a more positive descriptor than Harold and Maude but he does have a sense of humour about it.

Since I don't know either of them I can only wish them good luck.

Still, if it was reversed, with the male much older, nobody would give it a second thought.

 

[eya]

The Duke of Westminster laid a wreath at Chester Cathedral last Sunday for Remembrance Sunday

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHYgXUfoUgV/

Marchioness of Bath is Tatler’s January 2021 cover.

https://scontent.fath3-3.fna.fbcdn....=96d4ab71316f515004f886be51e1ad3e&oe=5FE907D9

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8996067/Emma-Weymouth-34-Tatlers-new-cover-star.html

 

[Heavs]

Still, if it was reversed, with the male much older, nobody would give it a second thought.

It's certainly considered much more usual and traditional. That said there are still eyebrows raised if there's a large age gap and if the man in question is well off that's taken as the obvious answer as to why. There was a lot of that when Lady Kitty got engaged.

 

[victor1319]

Still, if it was reversed, with the male much older, nobody would give it a second thought.

Well, perhaps the male's heirs, because they might have to share the inheritence with other babies about to be born.

I guess, the playmate here, there won't be any...

 

[AC21091968]

Lady Moyra Campbell, daughter of 4th Duke of Abercorn and Lady Kathleen Crichton, has passed away at the age of 90. Lady Moyra was one of the six Maids of Honour at Queen Elizabeth II's coronation in 1953. She then served as a Lady-in-waiting to Princess Alexandra (1954-1964), them to the Queen (1964 to 1966) and then as an extra lady-in-waiting until 1969.

https://royalwatcherblog.com/2020/11/11/lady-moyra-campbell/

Pictures of Lady Moyra Campbell from the National Portrait Gallery
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/...dy-moyra-kathleen-campbell-grove-nee-hamilton

May she Rest In Peace and condolences to her family

 

[Countessmeout]

Her husband's name is actually Peter Drummond Campbell-Grove. He legally added Grove, the surname of his paternal grandmother, in 1973.

Her son Rory Campbell-Grove is 53. He and his wife Dr Catherine Shaw are the parents of her three grandchildren. They have two daughters 18 and 14, and one son who is 16.

Her younger son Michael Campbell-Grove is 50. He is the godson of Prince Michael of Kent. Michael is married to Lady Georgiana Gascoyne-Cecil, the daughter of the 7th Marquis of Salisbury.

 

[AC21091968]

The townhouse that was once lived by Mary Caroline, Duchess of Sutherland (2nd wife of George Sutherland-Leveson-Gower, 3rd Duke of Sutherland) is up for sail. She was described as a "wicked stepmother" over the 3rd Duke's inheritance.

London home of scandalous ‘wicked stepmother’ Duchess up for sale for £16 million
The Duchess of Sutherland, who lived in the sprawling Hyde Park Gate mansion, became an inspiration for the famed Cinderella character
https://www.tatler.com/article/wick...herland-hyde-park-mansion-for-sale-16-million

 

[An Ard Ri]

What a beautiful Hyde Park residence and her husband also built the stunning Carbisdale Castle in her honour.

 

[duchessrachel]

The townhouse that was once lived by Mary Caroline, Duchess of Sutherland (2nd wife of George Sutherland-Leveson-Gower, 3rd Duke of Sutherland) is up for sail. She was described as a "wicked stepmother" over the 3rd Duke's inheritance.

London home of scandalous ‘wicked stepmother’ Duchess up for sale for £16 million
The Duchess of Sutherland, who lived in the sprawling Hyde Park Gate mansion, became an inspiration for the famed Cinderella character
https://www.tatler.com/article/wick...herland-hyde-park-mansion-for-sale-16-million

I found this book on her. Does anyone know anything about it?

 

[duchessrachel]

Unity Mitford

I have read a couple of books on the Mitford sisters and am currently reading "Wait for Me", by Deborah Cavendish, Duchess of Devonshire. I have been wanting to read books on each of them. I have found three books on Unity Mitford that I am considering: Hitler's Valkyrie, Unity Mitford: A Quest, and Hitler's English Girlfriend.. I have read that Hitler's Valkyrie is not well-researched, but is based on recall from the author's grandmother. Are any of these book reliable? If not, can someone recommend one that is? Thanks.

 

[AC21091968]

Thanks eya for the links, The Marchioness of Bath looks beautiful in these two pictures.

Tatler has now released four articles on The Marchioness of Bath

A history of Longleat, the Marchioness of Bath’s family seat
The sprawling country estate provided the backdrop to the January issue cover shoot starring chatelaine Emma Weymouth
https://www.tatler.com/article/longleat-history

The Marchioness of Bath’s most stunning beauty looks
Whether she’s making a statement with a pillar-box red lip or wearing an ethereal up-do adorned with flowers, high glamour is always on the agenda for Tatler’s January cover star
https://www.tatler.com/gallery/marchioness-of-bath-emma-weymouth-best-beauty-moments-hair-and-makeup

The Marchioness of Bath’s life in parties
https://www.tatler.com/gallery/marc...mouth-best-party-moments-fashion-social-scene

The Marchioness of Bath stars in a costume drama at Longleat on the January cover
There’s a new era dawning at Longleat – and a new Marchioness. Strictly’s Emma Weymouth, now Emma Bath, opens up about spending lockdown with the lions and the family’s wildly ambitious plans for the estate
https://www.tatler.com/article/marchioness-of-bath-emma-weymouth-january-2021-cover

I would love to visit Longleat in the future, not just the stately house, but also the safari park. Of course, there is also Emma's Kitchen.