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Old 08-25-2013, 06:58 AM
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Hi Iluvbertie!

Thank you a lot for the detailed explanation! Something that grabbed my attention was that you have found in Wikipedia an article with around 323 currently alive earls and countesses. Or maybe you speak about the second article provided by Lee-Z, which is about the List of earldoms?

Thank you again for the info! :)
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:14 AM
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The wikipedia article Lee-Z linked to has five columns -- title, date of creation, name, status, notes.

Going down the status column the titles are identified as:

extinct - no longer existing
extant - still existing with a living title holder
forfeit - more from the middle ages when treason was a more common charge
dormant - currently not officially extinct or extant as there is a question about the line of succession - namely whether there are legitimate earlier lines to claim it

All I did was count the extants as they are the living title holders. With about 2 or 3 exceptions these are all earls as the normal practice is to only allow inheritance through the male line although there are exceptions at times. Countesses are more likely to be the wives of an Earl rather than the holder in her own right.
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Hello, Javier, and welcome to the forum. You've set yourself a formidable and ambitious task for your wife's birthday; I'm sure she'll appreciate your efforts! You'll get a lot of information from many of the knowledgeable members here; enjoy yourself. You'll certainly be an expert on that level of the peerage by the time your project is complete!
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Lady Pamela's Page-Turner of a Life | Daughter of Empire | Pamela Hicks | Cultural Conversation by Joanne Kaufman - WSJ.com
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Hugh van Cutsem has died

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Old 09-03-2013, 05:21 PM
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Well, sorry to hear this news. Condolences to the family and friends.
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:23 AM
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An article with both the Mountbatten sisters about Lady Pamela memoir book Daughter of Empire: Life as a Mountbatten. It is a great article and a great insight of some member of the royal family.

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Old 09-08-2013, 05:27 PM
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Don't know who she is but Lady Louise Anson got married in a stunning dress. I love it so much.

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Lady Eloise Anson is the daughter of the late famed photographer Patrick Anson, Earl of Lichfield by his ex wife Lady Leonora Grosvenor (daughter of late Duke of Westminster), and niece of party planner to the royals Lady Elizabeth Anson. They are related to the royal family on the Bowes Lyon side.
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The dress is beautiful, the wreath in her hair is too big however. There seems to be no relatives around considering she married an Earl.
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Eloise is also a goddaughter of Princess Anne. Her father was the photographer who took the official photos at the wedding of Charles and Diana, as well as the official portrait of HM and the DoE for her Silver Jubilee.

Eloise's new husband is the grandson of the 9th Earl of Hardwicke.
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The dress is beautiful, the wreath in her hair is too big however. There seems to be no relatives around considering she married an Earl.
I believe she married the Earl of Hardwickes cousin, the TV writer Louis Weymouth. The Earl is already married and has a family.
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I believe she married the Earl of Hardwickes cousin, the TV writer Louis Weymouth. The Earl is already married and has a family.
Correct.

The 9th Earl had 1 son and 3 daughters. The current Earl, the 10th, is the only son of the 9th Earl's only son, while Louis is the elder son of the 9th Earl's second daughter.
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Stunning dress! So different and chic.
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Three aristocratic daughters miss out on father's earldom after title was claimed by eighth cousin once removed | Mail Online
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I've been reading about the family of the first High Steward of Scotland, Walter Fitzallen. In those days, as now, a woman could inherit lands. Walter's wife was Eschyna de Molle, who used her mother's name, because her vast inheritance in Roxburgh came from her mother's side. Her father's name was De Londonis, but she did not use it. Her first husband was my ancestor Robert Croc, a knight who followed Walter Fitzallen, and her second husband was that same Walter. She seems also to have had a child by a presumed third husband, which daughter was called Avisa de Molle. So the question for the historian is, did she marry a cousin called de Molle when she became the mother of Avisa, or did her husband use his wife's name because she was the heiress? No records seem to show this.

Eschyna de Molle had ten or eleven children with three husbands, Robert Croc, Walter Fitzallen, and ? de Molle.

However, she did not have a "title" that I know of. Her descendants became kings and queens, but she was not "noble," just rich. The rich often become noble.
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Since the family do not seem too fussed about the title passing to a distant cousin I am not sure why the DM cares. The DM after all would be amongst the first to dump on any government that took the time to try and revamp the hereditary peerage instead of letting it fall naturally into extinction
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What about Honourable Nicholas Knatchbull and Rahel Tedros? Are they already married?
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Since the family do not seem too fussed about the title passing to a distant cousin I am not sure why the DM cares. The DM after all would be amongst the first to dump on any government that took the time to try and revamp the hereditary peerage instead of letting it fall naturally into extinction
I suppose it's just because it's very Downton Abbey-esque really.
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