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Old 08-05-2010, 06:29 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7909194/Earl-Spencer-reveals-his-barrister-named-piglets-pompous-self-regarding-and-pillock-after-High-Court-judge.html

"Earl Spencer reveals his barrister named piglets 'pompous', 'self-regarding' and 'pillock' after High Court judge."
Lord Spencer should be very familiar with those names since they apply at least equally to himself
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Lord Kinnock's son embroiled in tax row that might cost his wife the Danish prime minister's job | Mail Online

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An investigation into a tax scandal involving Neil Kinnock’s son Stephen threatens to destroy his glamorous wife’s hopes of becoming Prime Minister of Denmark.
The curse of the Kinnocks has struck again after it emerged that Mr Kinnock junior pays taxes in Switzerland - which has the lowest taxes in Europe - and not in Denmark, where his family home is situated but which has the highest tax rates in the world.
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:52 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/7945076/A-royal-case-of-guarded-language-at-Balmoral.html

4th Paragraph-Mentioned the "passing of Owen, 3rd Earl Lloyd George, senior descendant of David Lloyd George."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/...ar-ladies.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303108/Earl-Spencers-threat-tell-world-marital-secrets-court-ordered-stay-away-ex-wife.html


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Glenconner recognises his illegitimate son Joshua in his will - Telegraph
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Diana Wellsley, Duchess of Wellington, died on Monday; she was the wife of Arthur Valerian, the 8th (and present) Duke of Wellington. She was 89.
Sophie Anderton hopes for lasting love online - Telegraph (the second article in the page)
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Old 11-07-2010, 02:10 AM
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well connie it looks like paul fitzgerald, in the scotsman newspaper, nov 5th 2010 might have the dna evidence to prove that he is the next duke of leinster and that current duke is not heir at all. tyler 123 might want to check into that to see if they are actually related.
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FOR more than 40 years Theresa FitzGerald Caudill, a widow based in Scotland, has been trying to prove that her nephew has been wrongfully denied one of the most prestigious dukedoms in the British Isles.
Her journey could now be coming to an end, with the production of DNA evidence to back up her claim that her nephew, Paul FitzGerald, is the rightful Duke of Leinster and should be the head of a colourful aristocratic family beset by scandal and tragedy.
The new evidence supports Mrs FitzGerald Caudill's theory that the title, Ireland's premier dukedom, has gone down the wrong branch of the family. Now there is likely to be a legal challenge to the existing holder Maurice FitzGerald, from Oxfordshire, who is currently recognised as the ninth duke.
The DNA indicates that Paul FitzGerald, a builder based in San Francisco, is descended from Lady Hermione FitzGerald, a Victorian society beauty and Leinster matriarch from whom the titled family also claims descent. - Scotsman
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A third of Britain STILL belongs to the aristocracy | Mail Online
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:58 AM
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Interesting article.

To be honest here, I'd rather have the aristo's owning and using the land than have it open for foreign buyers/investors such as Mr. Fayed was.
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Old 11-13-2010, 11:41 AM
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BeatrixFan said "A Duke or a Duchess is "Your Grace",..."

Would a Duke not of royalty be called Your Grace?

(Baby here in the ways of English aristocracy)
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Do you mean a Duke who was not born into the royal family?
Such as the Dukes of Norfolk or Westminster?

The answer is yes, all Dukes are referred to as Your Grace.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:51 AM
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In the British system -

Royals are Your Majesty for Kings and Queens (with Ma'am and Sir after the first time - so greet with 'Good morning Your Majesty and thereafter 'Sounds like a good idea Ma'am"),
Princes and Princesses, including royal dukes, are Your Royal Highness to begin and then Sir or Ma'am.
Non royal Dukes, Duchesses, Archbishops and Bishops are Your Grace at first and then depending on acquaintance Sir or Ma'am or continue with Your Grace.
Oher titles, Marquisates, Marchionesses, Earls, Countesses (again exempting royals), Viscounts, Barons and Baronesses are My Lord and My Lady, Baronets are Sir and their wives are Lady.

So The Duke of Gloucester would be Your Royal Highness but when his son inherits the title the son will only ever be Your Grace as the present Duke is a royal duke but his son won't be royal (same with the Duke of Kent).
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:03 PM
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I have another question -- what is the difference between nobility and aristocracy?
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Nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally hereditary.

The aristocracy are people considered to be in the highest social class in a society which once had a political system of Aristocracy. Aristocrats possess hereditary titles granted by a monarch, which once granted them feudal or legal privileges,
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I still don't understand the difference between them though.
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I think a noble title is given by the government, like Lord Alan Sugar. Whereas aristocracy is given by the monarch, such as The Duke of Norfolk etc.
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I still don't understand the difference between them though.
The aristocracy is a social class which includes nobles.
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Nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally hereditary.

The aristocracy are people considered to be in the highest social class in a society which once had a political system of Aristocracy. Aristocrats possess hereditary titles granted by a monarch, which once granted them feudal or legal privileges,
Thank you, Lumutqueen. So if I understand you correctly, a noble might not have a title, but aristocrats are titled? Or perhaps aristocrats are the highest social class amongst the noble class?
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Old 11-21-2010, 12:45 PM
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Thank you, Lumutqueen. So if I understand you correctly, a noble might not have a title, but aristocrats are titled? Or perhaps aristocrats are the highest social class amongst the noble class?
Actually, its the other way around.

The aristocracy is only a social class. An aristocrat can be someone who lacks a title, such as the siblings of peers, or wealthy members of the landed gentry. They do not necessarily hold titles, i.e. British baronets, who are not titled but who are hereditary knights. They can be considered members of the aristocracy, but not members of the nobility.

The nobility is recognized by law and by the state. Nobility in its most general and strict sense is an acknowledged preeminence that is hereditary, i.e. all legitimate, male-line descendants of noblemen are noble. This usually means the male-line descendants who hold the noble title, i.e. dukes, marquesses, earls, viscounts and barons.

So, technically speaking, the nobility no longer exists in countries like Germany and France, since neither country recognizes the use of titles (though titles are still unofficially used in both).

Those former nobles, however, can still be members of the aristocracy.. it all depends on the social circles they move in.

Hope this helps you understand it better.
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