The Battenberg - Mountbattens


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Daneborn said:
Louise was married to Carl-Gustaf's grandfather and she was the stepmother of Carl-Gustaf's father as well as Queen Ingrid.

I think I understand the family tree, I just don't quite know how you operate these first and second cousin expressions. In my mind, since Philip is one generation older than Carl Gustaf, he belongs to the uncle-generation and since Louise was a stepmother it makes Philip a stepuncle. If that expression even exists :rolleyes: They can't ''step-'' forever, can they ??

Yes, he is a generation older than the current King, but he is not a step-uncle.

Look at it like this, you have an aunt, your mom's sister, who marries a man with his own children, you are then sort a step- first cousin to them. When they have children of their own, you are then a step-second cousin...in no way are you an uncle or aunt...unless it is honorary.. :)
 
Can someone enlighten me to the Mountbattens? I know they are closely linked to the BRF and Prince Charles was extremely attached to "Uncle" Louis Mountbatten, who was very close with PC's grandfather and grand uncles. And I know the Prince Phillip is related to them through is mother. Louis Mountbatten had two daughters, correct? Who did they marry? I know the name Knatchbull is linked to this family as well. And wasn't a young boy - a twin - also killed with Louis Mountbatten? Was this his grandson?

Thank you.
 
Louis Mountbatten was born Prince Louis of Battenberg, he was a grandson of Queen Victoria. His title later changed when George V got rid of all German titles for the British Royal Family. His sister was the Queen of Sweden. Louis had two daughters; Patricia and Pamela. The Queen made special Letters Patent so that Patricia would get Louis titles. He was assassinated in 1979 and his grandson was killed with him along with the boat boy and a few others. Patricia was on board but survived. That's a very quick run down - hope it helps!
 
Bella said:
Can someone enlighten me to the Mountbattens? I know they are closely linked to the BRF and Prince Charles was extremely attached to "Uncle" Louis Mountbatten, who was very close with PC's grandfather and grand uncles. And I know the Prince Phillip is related to them through is mother. Louis Mountbatten had two daughters, correct? Who did they marry? I know the name Knatchbull is linked to this family as well. And wasn't a young boy - a twin - also killed with Louis Mountbatten? Was this his grandson?

Thank you.

Lord Louis had three siblings - an elder brother who inherited their father's title of Marquis of Milford-Haven (his grandson now holds that title and his son was best man at the wedding of Philip and the Queen).

His elder sister married Prince Andrew of Greece and is the mother of Prince Philip so 'Dickie' was Philip's uncle.

His younger sister married the King of Sweden and became step-mum to the king's children.

The present Queen didn't issue the Letters Patent for Mountbatten but George VI did. As he had no sons at the time of the creation of his titles, and there was very little chance of a son, the Letters Patent allowed for the titles to pass through his daughters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten,_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma#Titles
 
My mistake on the LP. Thank the Lord for Chrissy!
 
I am interested in learning more about Lord Louis Mountbatten...does anyone know of a good biography that they could recommend?

Many thanks!
 
Philip Ziegler's book Mountbatten is a good biography if you haven't already read it.
 
Thanks Elspeth. I haven't and I will try to find it.
 
Thank you BeatrixFan and Chrissy for putting things in perspective. Things are starting to make sense now.
 
They're private citizens. They don't make it easy to find information about them. Nicky, last anyone heard, was still battling his drug problems. Norton and Penny manage Broadlands.
 
Penny pics

There are some pictures of Prince Philip and Lady Penny at the Windsor Horse Show in the Queen Elizabeth & Prince Philip current events thread, starting at post #59.
 
yeah...its really hard to find anything ...about them :(
There some pics of them, the knatchbulls, in the getty images site, and rex features too, i cant open the pics..:( coz it needs registration..bla.bla,bla
But for anyone who can see it..in the full size hehehe...enjoy!!
Most of them are always the same...coz like..Kelly said is reallyyyy..hard to find anything related to them....
But for those who enjoy knowing more more about them, thats a good thing!
I wish we would knew more about them :(
Especially about Nicky, the last thing i heard was really about the drug problems....
Well if someone knows anything about it plz!!! tell me!! hehehe
Thanx, see ya guys, hope the english is getting better...hehehehe :)
 
Jang said:
who is Ellen Mountbatten?

Oh! Wasn't she married to David Milford Haven, or is married to him? Or maybe his daughter? Somehow I think she is one of the Milford Haven clan.
 
Ella Mountbatten is a daughter of Lord Ivar Mountbatten, from the Milford Haven rbanch fo the family.
 
Today must have been quite difficult for Charles. Lord Mountbatten was killed 27 years ago. How nice to know that his killer is enjoying his freedom. And for Princess Alexandra too actually. Her mother has been dead for 38 years now. It seems like another world.
 
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BeatrixFan said:
Today must have been quite difficult for Charles. Lord Mountbatten was killed 27 years ago. How nice to know that his killer is enjoying his freedom. And for Princess Alexandra too actually. Her mother has been dead for 38 years now. It seems like another world.
BeatrixFan, you have a good memory. How could you remeber the date of the assasination of Lord Mountbatten?:flowers: . Lord Mountbatten did have a great influence on Prince Charles and he wrote"Life will be the same" when Lord Mountbatten was dead. It was quite true. We truly missed those whom I loved.
 
It's one of those dates that just sticks with me for some reason. For me, his murder was the stark signal that an age had died. It was just such a horrific thing to do and was just such an attack on the Queen and her family. And it just crushed Charles so much. When something like that happens, I guess it's hard to forget. It's just too awful for words yet life has been going on for 27 years. Madness.
 
I know there were several other people also killed, including Lord Mountbatten's grandson. Can anyone give the list of those killed or injured and how and if they were related to the Mountbatten family?
 
Doreen Knatchbull, The Dowager Baroness Brabourne - 83, killed
The Hon. Nicholas Knatchbull - 14, killed
Paul Maxwell (Boat Boy) - 15, killed

Lord Mountbatten was killed, his daughter Patricia survived but had horrible injuries and had to be rescued from the water where she was floating on the top, presumed dead. Nicholas was Louis's grandson and Doreen was Patricia's mother-in-law.
 
BeatrixFan said:
Doreen Knatchbull, The Dowager Baroness Brabourne - 83, killed
The Hon. Nicholas Knatchbull - 14, killed
Paul Maxwell (Boat Boy) - 15, killed

Lord Mountbatten was killed, his daughter Patricia survived but had horrible injuries and had to be rescued from the water where she was floating on the top, presumed dead. Nicholas was Louis's grandson and Doreen was Patricia's mother-in-law.

Thanks BeatrixFan. The whole thing is really sad. So basically Patricia's husband lost both a son and his mother to this act of terrorism. And Patricia lost her father and her son. And nearly her own life. Sad for the poor boat boy's family, too. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Did they ever catch the individuals responsible?
 
I don't think the person(s) responsible for the attack were ever brought to trial.:sad: It was a very sad sad day, although it was probably responsible ultimately for Charles and Diana marrying.
 
They did. Thomas McMahon from the IRA. He went to prison but was released under the Good Friday Agreement thus cutting his life sentence. He served just 19 years. Talk about justice.
 
I understand that lord Mountbatten was son of princess Victoria, grandchild of queen Victoria. His father Lord Louis Mountbatten,ex prince Louis, was born in Germany, but when he had 14, he entered to British navy. In the first world war, people British dont want that he was as Chief of the navy because he was born as german. But, this prince was more british that german as his son Dickie said one time. Lord Mountbatten is uncle of prince Philip and the same queen, because they are grand- grandchildren of queeen Victoria. And I understand that George, lord Milford Haven, his brother, had a great collection of pornography and when he dead, this collection, that is very expensive, is now in a museum, but I dont know in which.
 
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Lady Tatiana Mountbatten was one of the debutantes at this year's Haute Couture Bal du Crillon, that is the prestigious ball at the Hotel Crillon, Paris, on 25 November 2007. The five other debutantes in this feature were Olivia Pei (granddaughter of architect IM Pei); Cosima Ramirez Ruiz de la Prada (daughter of El Mundo founder); Marie-Solène d'Harcourt; Lily Collins (daughter of Phil Collins); and Gemima Lemos McMahon (stepdaughter of soccer player Pelé).

Point du Vue magazine featured six of the debutantes in its issue #3095 (14-20 November 2007). Lady Tatiana was among the six. The magazine declares that she is:

17 years old (from the Peerage website we learn her birthdate is 16 April 1990)
She lives in London
Great (or grand) niece of the late Earl Mountbatten of Burma (last viceroy of India and first governor-general of India)

PDV says her grandfather was the maternal uncle of HRH The Duke of Edinburgh (from the Peerage website we learn that her father is George Ivar Louis Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven, so PDV is wrong here because actually her grandfather would have been Prince Philip's first cousin)

PDV also says that Lady Tatiana is a student of geography [they don't specify where she is doing A Levels, but I know it to be Millfield School, and she will finish there in the next year] and has a passion for equestrian sports, with a particular excellence in dressage.
To the ball, she wore a peach (or cream) gown of the label "Christian Dior Haute Couture".

Picture

Further reference:
* thePeerage.com - George Ivar Louis Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven
* George Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other debutantes who joined with Lady Tatiana at the Crillon this year but were not in the PDV features:
Maria Abou Nadar
Kathleen Kennedy
Countess Anna de Pahlen (granddaughter of Agnelli)
Tara Sutin
Tansy Aspinall
 
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Yes, he is a generation older than the current King, but he is not a step-uncle.

Look at it like this, you have an aunt, your mom's sister, who marries a man with his own children, you are then sort a step- first cousin to them. When they have children of their own, you are then a step-second cousin...in no way are you an uncle or aunt...unless it is honorary.. :)
I think relationships through marriage are not as important as blood relationships. What's more important now is that Prince Phillip and King Carl XVI Gustav are third cousins. Prince Phillip descends from The Princess Alice, the second daughter of QV, while the Swedish King from The Prince Leopold the Duke of Albany, the youngest son of QV. The only current European monarch with Battenberg blood (since Queen Louise did not bear the King Gustav VI Adolf any surviving children) is King Juan Carlos I of Spain. His paternal grandmother Queen Victoria Eugenia was a Battenberg.
 
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