The Battenberg - Mountbattens

[cmkrcwi]

Originally Posted by marian

I understand that lord Mountbatten was son of princess Victoria, grandchild of queen Victoria. His father Lord Louis Mountbatten,ex prince Louis, was born in Germany, but when he had 14, he entered to British navy. In the first world war, people British dont want that he was as Chief of the navy because he was born as german. But, this prince was more british that german as his son Dickie said one time. Lord Mountbatten is uncle of prince Philip and the same queen, because they are grand- grandchildren of queen Victoria. And I understand that George, lord Milford Haven, his brother, had a great collection of pornography and when he dead, this collection, that is very expensive, is now in a museum, but I dont know in which.

Speaking of Lord Milford Haven, his wife Nada featured in one of the great society scandals of the 1930's. She was born Countess Nadeja de Torby the daughter of Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovich and Countess Sophie von Merenberg who was a granddaughter of the Russian poet Pushkin who was of African descent. Because the marriage was morganatic and the Emperor did not approve, they were forced to leave Russia and live abroad.

Anyway to get back to the 1930's society scandal, I assume we've all heard of Gloria Vanderbilt. Her mother Gloria Morgan married Reggie Vanderbilt who was an heir to the Vanderbilt railroad fortune. Vanderbilt died soon after the birth of his daughter Gloria and in his will he made his widow the administrator of a $2.5 million trust fund he left for "Little Gloria". She spent the next six years in Paris basically living the good life with wealthy friends at chic resorts.

The Vanderbilt family, disturbed by stories they were receiving about her behavior from private detectives they had hired as well as from family servants, sued to get custody of Little Gloria on the grounds that her mother was an unfit parent. One of the reasons given was the allegation that she and Nada Milford Haven (as she was by then) had had a lesbian affair. Nada was well-known to be gay although she never confirmed nor denied any involvement with Gloria. Gloria was also rumored to have had an affair with Prince Gottfried von Hohenlohe who was married to Princess Margarita of Greece and Denmark. She was the daughter of Princess Alice of Battenberg and her husband Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark and thus a niece by marriage of Nada.

By the way, Gloria's twin sister Thelma was the mistress of the-then Prince of Wales during this time.

[Avicenna]

January 10/11 2008 the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung had a huge article on the princes of Battenberg. Unfortunatly it is not freely available on the net (payment only), so I thought I give you a bit of a summary ...

The castle of Battenberg upon the river Eder was build in the 12th century ... it was hardly finished when the line of the count became extinct as the the last Battenberg died in 1314. The county belonged henceforth to the archbishop of Mainz. In the 15 th century the archbishops lost it to the Landgraves of Hessen, Darmstädter Line. The next few centuries were shaped by utter eventlessness, which ended only by the destruction of the castle. Beneath the ruins the landgraves would build a hunting lodge. It became thrilling again, when love entered the agenda during 19th century ...

Prince Alexander of Hessen fell in love to a court lady of his sister, her name: Julia von Hauke. Once the tsar had taken her to his court after the death of her father, a highly decorated general. Neither the tsar nor the brother of Alexander approved the marriage, but the groom turned out to be tenacious and married the lady in Breslau 1951. In order to elevate her a bit the grand duke of Hessen gave her a titel which was connected with no tenure whats-o-ever: Julia became first the countess, later the Princess of Battenberg and thereby foremother of all Mountbattens.

BTW there is a so called Heimatmuseum (museum of local history) in Battenberg which exhibits also a Mountbatten part. A certain Forstoberamtsrat Röbert is head of it.

Julia and Alexander had five children and a small palace in Seeheim, on the verge of the forest Odenwald. The four sons used their military skills. The eldest Ludwig Alexander von Battenberg became highest ranking admiral of the British fleet prior to WW1. But because of the hatred of Germans, he handed in his resignation and changed his name on July 1, 1917 into Mountbatten. BTW he visited the city of Battenberg on May 2, 1959. A surprise visit.

[Emeralds and Opals]

Planners call time on Marquess of Milford Haven's polo centre - Telegraph

[Emeralds and Opals]

Earl Mountbatten's grandson finally tells his story of survival and loss - Telegraph

"(Timothy Knatchbull)."

[BeatrixFan]

Lovely series of videos with Lady Pamela.

Nehru, Edwina united in souls, not bodies: IBNLive.com > Videos

[CasiraghiTrio]

Lady Tatiana Mountbatten was one of the debutantes at this year's Haute Couture Bal du Crillon, that is the prestigious ball at the Hotel Crillon, Paris, on 25 November 2007. The five other debutantes in this feature were Olivia Pei (granddaughter of architect IM Pei); Cosima Ramirez Ruiz de la Prada (daughter of El Mundo founder); Marie-Solène d'Harcourt; Lily Collins (daughter of Phil Collins); and Gemima Lemos McMahon (stepdaughter of soccer player Pelé).

Point du Vue magazine featured six of the debutantes in its issue #3095 (14-20 November 2007). Lady Tatiana was among the six. The magazine declares that she is:

17 years old (from the Peerage website we learn her birthdate is 16 April 1990)
She lives in London
Great (or grand) niece of the late Earl Mountbatten of Burma (last viceroy of India and first governor-general of India)

PDV says her grandfather was the maternal uncle of HRH The Duke of Edinburgh (from the Peerage website we learn that her father is George Ivar Louis Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven, so PDV is wrong here because actually her grandfather would have been Prince Philip's first cousin)

PDV also says that Lady Tatiana is a student of geography [they don't specify where she is doing A Levels, but I know it to be Millfield School, and she will finish there in the next year] and has a passion for equestrian sports, with a particular excellence in dressage.
To the ball, she wore a peach (or cream) gown of the label "Christian Dior Haute Couture".

Picture

Further reference:
* thePeerage.com - George Ivar Louis Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven
* George Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other debutantes who joined with Lady Tatiana at the Crillon this year but were not in the PDV features:
Maria Abou Nadar
Kathleen Kennedy
Countess Anna de Pahlen (granddaughter of Agnelli)
Tara Sutin
Tansy Aspinall

[Warren]

Originally Posted by CasiraghiTrio

PDV says her grandfather was the maternal uncle of HRH The Duke of Edinburgh (from the Peerage website we learn that her father is George Ivar Louis Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven, so PDV is wrong here because actually her grandfather would have been Prince Philip's first cousin)

Here's one way of showing the relationship:

Prince Louis of Battenberg, Marquess of Milford Haven > George > David > George, 4th Marquess > Lady Tatiana
Prince Louis of Battenberg, Marquess of Milford Haven > Alice > Philip of Greece, Duke of Edinburgh

[CasiraghiTrio]

Originally Posted by Warren

Here's one way of showing the relationship:

Prince Louis of Battenberg, Marquess of Milford Haven > George > David > George, 4th Marquess > Lady Tatiana
Prince Louis of Battenberg, Marquess of Milford Haven > Alice > Philip of Greece, Duke of Edinburgh

Exactly. What is the other way of showing the relationship?

Tatiana's grandfather, David (3rd Marquess) would be Philip's first cousin. I can't see any other relationship.
............ Unless PDV meant her great-grandfather (2nd Marquess) who was Philip's maternal uncle....... I might have mistranslated great-grandfather as grandfather but I will have to look at it again to know for sure.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by CasiraghiTrio

Exactly. What is the other way of showing the relationship?

In a family tree format I can't reproduce here.

I might have mistranslated great-grandfather as grandfather but I will have to look at it again to know for sure.

It doesn't matter about PdV. It has served its purpose in raising the Battenberg/Mountbatten topic once again.

[CasiraghiTrio]

^ The Mountbatten/Battenberg topic is a good one to raise from time to time.

Morgaine, in post 6, attached this fascinating picture from 1894. Can we have a full ID on the photo please? I can ID Nicky and Alix, but not the others with any sense of certainty.

[Lady Marmalade]

Originally Posted by CasiraghiTrio

^ The Mountbatten/Battenberg topic is a good one to raise from time to time.

Morgaine, in post 6, attached this fascinating picture from 1894. Can we have a full ID on the photo please? I can ID Nicky and Alix, but not the others with any sense of certainty.

Starting at the top, left to right... Czar Nicholas, Czarina Alexandra, Princess Alice (later the 1st Marchioness of Milford Haven), Grand Duke Ernie (her brother).

Second Row: Princess Irene, the famous and illustrious beauty, Princess Ella (Grand Duchess Serge of Russia), not sure who the lady is on her right, and then Grand Duke Serge of Russia. He was murdered in the early 1900's.

If I have the two women on either side of Ella wrong..please correct me!

[selrahc4]

Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

Princess Alice (later the 1st Marchioness of Milford Haven

Princess Victoria was 1st Marchioness of Milford Haven.

Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

not sure who the lady is on her right

Victoria Melita, wife of the Grand Duke (Ernie)

[Lady Marmalade]

Thank you.. I meant Victoria. And thank you...I could not for the life of me, remember his wife's name.. :-)

[CasiraghiTrio]

^ Thanks, Lady M!

Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich, brother of Nicky, was Governor-General of Moscow and was assasinated in February 1905 by a Social Revolutionary (that is, a member of the SR party). As he rode through the Kremlin gates, a SR threw a nitroglycerine bomb at him, and it landed in his lap!

Was royal house was Princess Ella, his wife, from? In Russia she was known as the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Feodorovna and was apparently very popular in Russia. She was widely loved and admired for her gentle nature. She was one of the first on the scene and was so traumatized by the scene of her husband's body,literally blown to bits, with his shattered flesh scattered in the street. She retired from public life and founded a convent.

Source: W. Bruce Lincoln's book, The Romanovs: Autocrats of All the Russias, pg. 651

[Warren]

Originally Posted by CasiraghiTrio

Was royal house was Princess Ella, his wife, from? In Russia she was known as the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Feodorovna and was apparently very popular in Russia.

She is another Hesse-Darmstadt. Grand Duke Ludwig IV and Princess Alice (of GB) had, among others:

• Ernst Ludwig, Grand Duke of Hesse and bei Rhine (who married Victoria Melita of Edinburgh);
• Victoria, Princess of Battenberg and Marchioness of Milford Haven;
• Elisabeth (Ella), married Grand Duke Serge of Russia;
• Irene, Princess Henry of Prussia;
• Alix, Czarina of Russia

[CasiraghiTrio]

^ Thank you so much for the quick answers. I did think she must be from a Hesse house. So this makes her an aunt, or great-aunt to Lord (Louis) Mountbatten. ??

[Warren]

Here's the Hesse-Darmstadt descent:

Grand Duke Ludwig II > Alexander > Louis of Battenberg > Louis, Earl Mountbatten of Burma
and
Grand Duke Ludwig II > Karl > Ludwig IV > Victoria > Louis, Earl Mountbatten of Burma

Lord Mountbatten's Aunt Ella:
Grand Duke Ludwig II > Karl > Ludwig IV > Elisabeth, Grand Duchess Serge

[sinulord]

Originally Posted by CasiraghiTrio

^ Thank you so much for the quick answers. I did think she must be from a Hesse house. So this makes her an aunt, or great-aunt to Lord (Louis) Mountbatten. ??

GD Ella would be Lord Louis' aunt, since his mother Princess Victoria of Hesse (later Marchioness of Milford-Haven) and GD Ella were sisters.

Originally Posted by selrahc4

They are also 3rd cousins through another of Queen Victoria's sons, Prince Arthur the Duke of Connaught whose daughter married King Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden.

Thanks for that. Forgot about the Duke of Connaught.

[zembla]

Tatiana Mountbatten will be on The Hills (MTV)...you can see a bit of her in the preview...

The Hills (Season 3): Preview | Video | The Hills (Season 3) | Preview | MTV

[Lady Marmalade]

Originally Posted by zembla

Tatiana Mountbatten will be on The Hills (MTV)...you can see a bit of her in the preview...

The Hills (Season 3): Preview | Video | The Hills (Season 3) | Preview | MTV

Wow.. I find it said that an aristocrat would lower herself to be on such trashy tv show filled with little whores and little druggies, who think they are so high society. Maybe she can show them who the REAL DEAL is. If she were my daughter, I would not let her be present in the company of such trash.