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Old 06-25-2016, 11:31 PM
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The bride was stunning. A simple dress but paired with a beautiful veil

It must be a bit sad for the FOB not to walk his daughter down the aisle. I can understand the pain she feels though over his affair. It is great the British royals were so supportive of her mother, her and her siblings. I am sure Charles was happy to do the honors

Lovely to see her grandmother though the Countess is looking very frail

Definitely a big turnout, including some foreign royals.
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Old 06-26-2016, 01:57 AM
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Does anyone know what is the latest on the Broadlands inheritance saga? Last I heard (admittedly some years ago), Nicholas will inherit the title, but the Baron and Baroness want the estate and its care to go to Alexandra.

Alexandra seems like a smart lady, with her head firmly screwed on.
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Old 06-26-2016, 03:22 AM
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The Hon Nicholas Knatchbull indeed will inherit the titles once his father passes away. There is nothing to change about that.

Nicholas will become the 9th Baron Brabourne, 4th Earl Mountbatten of Burma and 4th Baron Romsey. From what I understood, the Mountbatten estate will become under custody of a Board of Trustees, so that the future Lord Nicholas can not destroy what has been build up by generations before him.

His sister The Hon Alexandra Knatchbull married this weekend. The Hon Nicholas Knatchbull wanted to marry an Eritrean nurse once but that seems just a typical Daily Mail story.
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Old 06-26-2016, 03:36 AM
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The title will of course pass to their son. The daughters inheriting only applied to Patricia and Pamela. That is the difference between a letter patent and heirs general. The letter patent applies to the generation in question, and only to those named (only Patricia and Pamela are in line, no other female descendents). Heirs general, which is common in Scotland, is continuous. In the absence of a male heir, a female can inherit.

The estate itself though is private property. And if the estate was put in trust, the person who it is in trust for doesn't necessarily have to be Nicholas. There are 2 large estates in question, so if the rumors about Alexandra were true, Nicholas would not be left homeless. The Braboune family has their own estate, which has been the seat of the earldom as well since Patricia inherited. The estate mersham-hatch in Kent has been in the family since the 15th century. Not sure about the old manor house (if it still stands even) but Patricia lives in Newhouse manor on the estate.
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Old 06-26-2016, 04:25 AM
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My memory is fading quickly and no hot coffee made so correct me if I'm wrong.

Penny Romsey and the Duke of Edinburgh have always had a strong, close relationship with each other and were often pictured together carriage driving. There is a tie between Broadlands and Buckingham Palace that goes back decades and decades. This is Philip's family.

I thought it was quite fitting for Charles to step in and give the bride away as his relationship with the family has also been quite strong from his beloved Uncle Dickie to the woman, Amanda Knatchbull, to whom he did propose and was turned down as the "spark" just wasn't there and they wanted different things. Charles and Diana also spent the first night of their honeymoon at Broadlands.

As much as I have read that HM doesn't usually attend weddings, funerals and coronations, I know I would have been very surprised had she and Philip not attended this wedding. The ties are just too strong.
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Old 06-26-2016, 08:55 PM
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Did Lady Amanda Knatchbull Ellingworth's husband Charles Ellingworth attend the wedding?
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Old 06-27-2016, 05:00 PM
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The bride is Patron of the Mountbatten School in Romsey. It is possible they were invited as representatives of the school.
Thanks for the more detailed answer, that would explain their attendance. I think that's a nice gesture, if we are now both correct in our assumption that they are representatives of the school.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:45 PM
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It's is nice for Charles to do this for Diana's goddaughter.
Diana was only her godmother because she was married to Charles.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:34 PM
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Diana was only her godmother because she was married to Charles.
The point is that she's Diana's goddaughter and it was nice of Charles to give her away. Although, it looked a bit off having her father there looking perfectly fine to walk in the church.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:38 PM
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The point is that she's Diana's goddaughter and it was nice of Charles to give her away. Although, it looked a bit off having her father there looking perfectly fine to walk in the church.

I believe the point is that Charles doing this has absolutely nothing to do with Diana having been her godmother.

Charles did this because of his personal relationship with the family. Not because of Diana's relationship (which itself was only owing to Charles' relationship).
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:41 PM
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IMO, her father looked ill. He looked like he had difficulty walking. His gait did not look like a man who was well.

Diana had nothing to do with Charles being selected. This is beyond reaching.
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I believe the point is that Charles doing this has absolutely nothing to do with Diana having been her godmother.

Charles did this because of his personal relationship with the family. Not because of Diana's relationship (which itself was only owing to Charles' relationship).
I never said Charles did this because she's Diana's goddaughter. I'm just mentioning that she is Diana's goddaughter.
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Charles and Norton are 1st cousins once removed. Norton's mother is Charles' godmother, and Charles' father is Norton's godfather. They grew up together and were good friends, schoolmates at Gordonstoun. They named each other godfather to each other's first born son, and Norton named Charles' wife as godmother to his daughter. Nicholas and William were once friends, prior to the drug issues (Nicholas was arrested by one of William's RPOs for drugs). Since Norton ran off, Charles as well as his father have all stepped in and been support to Penelope and Alexandra. So indeed, him walking her down the aisle has nothing to do with Diana and everything to do with a long family bond, not simply based on blood.
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Is it not interesting that Alexandra could have been Charles' sister-in-law if her sister Amanda had accepted his marriage proposal?
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Wouldn't they be 2nd cousins? They are in the same generation so shouldn't be once removed. They have a common great grandparents.


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I was just mentioning fact the bride is Diana's goddaughter. It's been highlited on Twitter and here on this thread.
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Wouldn't they be 2nd cousins? They are in the same generation so shouldn't be once removed. They have a common great grandparents.


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No. Common mistake. The children of your first cousins are your first cousins once removed. Philip and Patricia are first cousins (Louis and Alice are sister and brother) so their sons Charles and Norton are 1st cousins once removed. Norton's children, including Alexandra, are Charles' second cousins.

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I remember having this discussion/debate in a biology class in university.

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Is it not interesting that Alexandra could have been Charles' sister-in-law if her sister Amanda had accepted his marriage proposal?
No!!! Generation mix up there. He would have been Norton's brother in law. Not Alexandra's. Alexandra only had 1 sister Leonie died as a small child, and even if she hadn't, she was born in 1991 (Nicholas was the only child born before Charles married and only by 2 months).

Charles proposed to Alexandra's Aunt. Patricia and her husband John had 7 children.
the 2 in question;
-Norton: father of Alexandra, Nicholas and Leonie
-Lady Amanda: whose grandfather tried to push her together with Charles and who Charles proposed to (Alex's Aunt). Instead she married Charles Ellingworth and has 3 sons.

there are 5 other siblings
-Anthony
-Joanna- married twice including a Baron
-Philip his first wife was daughter of famous photographer Jon Cowan
-Nicholas- who unfortunately died with his grandfather and paternal grandmother in the IRA bombing
-Timothy- Nicholas' twin brother, injured in bombing
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No. Common mistake. The children of your first cousins are your first cousins once removed. Philip and Patricia are first cousins (Louis and Alice are sister and brother) so their sons Charles and Norton are 1st cousins once removed. Norton's children, including Alexandra, are Charles' second cousins.

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I remember having this discussion/debate in a biology class in university.
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Charles is Patricia's first cousin once removed.
Norton is Philip's first cousins once removed.
Charles and Norton are second cousins.
Alexandra is Charles' second cousin once removed.
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Funny, I used that same chart and got second cousins because the common ancestors are the great grandparents - the Marquis and Marchioness of Milford Haven.


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