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Old 12-01-2003, 02:02 AM
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The Act of Settlement 1701 and the Line of Succession

Here are some of the people who have a claim to the British throne.

Descendants of Queen Elizabeth II (b 1926) r 1952- :

1 Prince Charles, Prince of Wales (b 1948)
2 Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (b 1982)
3 Prince George of Cambridge (b 2013)
4 Prince Henry of Wales (b 1984)
5 Prince Andrew, Duke of York (b 1960)
6 Princess Beatrice of York (b 1988)
7 Princess Eugenie of York (b 1990)
8 Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (b 1964)
9 James, Viscount Severn (b 2007)
10 Lady Louise Windsor (b 2003)
11 Princess Anne, Princess Royal (b 1950)
12 Peter Phillips (b 1977)
13 Savannah Phillips (b 2010)
14 Isla Phillips (b 2012)
15 Zara Tindall (Phillips) (b 1981)
16 xxx Tindall (b 2014)


Descendants of King George VI (1895-1952) r 1936-1952:

17 David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley (b 1961)
18 Hon Charles Armstrong-Jones (b 1999)
19 Hon Margarita Armstrong-Jones (b 2002)
20 Lady Sarah Armstrong-Jones (b 1964)
21 Samuel Chatto (b 1996)
22 Arthur Chatto (b 1999)


But there are 613 in all: numbers 17-53 in the line of succession are the descendants of King George V (1865-1936, r 1910-1936); 54-80 are descendants of King Edward VII (1841-1910, r 1901-1910); and 81-613 are descendants of Queen Victoria (1819-1901 r 1837-1901). Some, however, are deemed to be disqualified because of marriage to a Roman Catholic, conversion to catholicism, being born to unmarried parents or having been adopted. Others are not listed at all for the same reasons. These are the unfortunate ones, together with their, or their relevant parent's, place in the list.

(34) George Windsor, Earl of St Andrews (b 1962) is married to a Roman Catholic. This has caused him to lose his place in the line of succession

(42) Prince Michael of Kent (b 1942) is married to a Roman Catholic.

(52) George Lascelles, 7th Earl of Harewood (b 1923). George's youngest son, Honourable Mark Lascelles (b 1964), is not listed in the order of succession because he was born before his parents' marriage.

53 David Lascelles, Viscount Lascelles (b 1950). David's two eldest children, Honourable Emily Lascelles (b 1975) and Honourable Benjamin Lascelles (b 1978), were born before their parents' marriage

Honourable James Lascelles (b 1953). James's younger daughter, Tanit Lascelles (b 1981), was born before her parents' marriage

Henry Lascelles (b 1953). Henry's half-brother, Martin Lascelles (b 1962), was born before his parents were married.

Haakon Lorentzen (b 1954) is married to a Roman Catholic.

Ingeborg Lorentzen (b 1957) is married to a Roman Catholic.

Alexander Ferner (b 1965). Alexander's elder child, Edward Ferner (b 1996), was born before his parents' marriage

Michael, King of Romania (b 1921), a descendant of Queen Victoria, is not shown in most order of succession lists because of his marriage to a Roman Catholic.

Princess Marie of Romania (b 1964) is also married to a Roman Catholic.

Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia (Alexander II, Titular King of Yugoslavia, b 1945) is not usually shown because of his (first) marriage to a Roman Catholic

Princess Tatiana of Yugoslavia (b 1957). Her half-sister, Princess Lavinia of Yugoslavia (b 1961), was born before her parents' marriage

Christopher Habsburg (b 1957) and his children, his siblings, their descendants and his paternal uncles, aunts, and their descendants are not shown in most order of succession lists because his grandmother Princess Ileana of Romania's marriage to a Roman Catholic. Christoph's father, the late Archduke Stefan of Austria, Prince of Tuscany, became an American citizen and he and his family use the surname Habsburg.

Karl-Emich, 8th Fürst zu Leiningen (b 1952) is not shown in most lists because of his (second) marriage to a Roman Catholic.

Hereditary Prince Karl Friedrich of Hohenzollern (b 1952), his children and his siblings, are excluded from most lists because his mother, Princess Margarita of Leiningen, married a Roman Catholic.

Prince Christian-Sigismund of Prussia (b 1946). His elder daughter, Isabelle Grandmontagne-Prinzessin von Preussen (b 1969), is not shown because he was unmarried when she was born.

Alfonso de Orléans-Borbón y Ferrara-Pignatelli, 7th Duke of Galliera (b 1968). Alfonso (including his child, his sibling, his paternal uncle and aunts and their descendants) is not shown because his ancestor, Princess Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, married a Roman Catholic.

Princess Birgitta of Sweden (b 1937) and her descendants are excluded because of her marriage to a Roman Catholic.

Count Carl Johan Bernadotte af Wisborg (b 1916) is listed but his children, Monika Bernadotte (b 1948) and Christian Bernadotte (b 1949), are not shown because they are adopted

Falk, Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b 1990) is not recog nized as a member of the formerly sovereign family of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Falk's father, Peter Schmitt, legally changed his surname (to Prinz von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha) at his marriage. According to German law on surnames, men and women are permitted to change their names to that of their spouse, but such a name change does not confer royal status.

Prince Peter of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b 1964). Prince Peter's son, Prince Malte of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (b 1990), was born before his parents' marriage.

Countess Anne-Charlotte of Castell-Rüdenhausen (b 1962) is listed but her eldest son, Henrik zu Castell-Rüdenhausen (b 1982), is not shown because she was unmarried at his birth.

Beatrice Huntington-Whiteley (b 1962) is married to a Roman Catholic.

Calma Schnirring (b 1938). Her eldest son, Sascha Berger (b 1960), was born before his parents' marriage. Her youngest daughter, Joi Cook (b 1981) is adopted.

Victor Berger (b 1963). His daughter, Mary Katherine (Katie) Berger (b 1985), was born before her parents' marriage.

Ernst-Johann, Prince Biron von Curland (b 1940). His children, Anja Prinzessin Biron von Curland (b 1975) and Christiana Prinzessin von Curland (b 1977), are adopted.

Prince Franz Friedrich of Prussia (b 1944). His daughter, Princess Christine of Prussia (b 1968), was born before marriage.

Princess Alexandra of Prussia (b 1960). Her elder child, Alberto Reboa von Preussen (b 1994), was born before marriage

Prince Ernst August of Hanover (Ernst August V, Titular King of Hanover) (b 1954) is married to a Roman Catholic.

Prince Heinrich Julius of Hanover (b 1961). Oskar Nick (b 1996), his elder child was born before his father was married.

Princess Mafalda of Savoy (b 1969). Her duagher, Anna N (b 1999), was born before her marriage.

Princess Clarissa of Hesse (b 1944). Her daughter, Johanna von Hessen (b 1980), was born before marriage.

India Hicks (b 1967). Her children, Felix Flint Wood (b 1997) and Amory Flint Wood (b 1999), were born to unmarried parents.

Robin Bryan (b 1957). Her children, Edward Houle (b 1979), Faith N (b 1979), and Elijah Bryan (b 1995), were born outside marriage.

Gonzalo de Borbón y de Dampierre (b 1937) . His daughter, Stephanie de Borbón (b 1968), was born to unmarried parents

Marco Torlonia, 6th Prince of Civitella-Cesi (b 1937). His younger daughter, Caterina Torlonia (b 1974), was born before her parents' marriage.

Conte Alessandro Lequio di Assaba's (b 1960) younger son, Alessandro Lequio di Assaba y Obregón (b 1992), is excluded because he was born to unmarried parents.
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Old 12-08-2003, 11:20 PM
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Isn&#39;t it Baron Downpatrick, the Earl of St. Andrews&#39; son, is also out because he revently converted to the Catholic faith? Also, wouldn&#39;t Lord Nicholas also be out since he also converted? I may have read wrong, but didn&#39;t the Duchess of Kent also convert a few years back? How come the Duke of Kent still retains his place in the succession if this were true? Thanks in advance&#33;
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Old 12-09-2003, 12:01 AM
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The Duchess of Kent did convert to Catholicism back in 1994. The Duke of Kent did not lose his place in the line of succession because the Duchess converted after they were married.
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If Prince Michael of Kent is excluded from the list due to his marriage to a Catholic, then how are Lord Frederik and Lady Gabriella still eligible for the throne? I thought that if you married a Catholic, both yourself and your offspring would be excluded.
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Old 01-04-2004, 01:08 AM
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no, your kids stay in line as long as they&#39;re raised protestant
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Old 01-04-2004, 01:16 AM
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hmmm...interesting. Thanks. Next question, it seems as if the line of succession is determined by birth order, then why whas Princess Anne bumped down below Andrew and Edward?
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Old 01-04-2004, 01:32 AM
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Males before females. So, anne&#39;s brothers, their children (guys b4 girls) then her :)
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Old 01-05-2004, 02:34 PM
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Ragnhild Lorentzen was excluded last year as she married a catholic as well. However the children of Haakon Lorentzen & his wife, and Ingeborg Lorentzen Ribero and her husband, are raised Lutheran, and therefore on the list.
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Line of Succession to the British Throne

The basis for the succession was determined in the constitutional developments of the 17th century, which culminated in the Bill of Rights (1689) and the Act of Settlement (1701). When James II fled the country in 1688, Parliament held that he had &#39;abdicated the government&#39; and that the throne was vacant. The throne was then offered, not to James&#39;s young son, but to his daughter Mary and her husband William of Orange, as joint rulers. It therefore came to be established not only that the Sovereign rules through Parliament, but that the succession to the throne can be regulated by Parliament, and that a Sovereign can be deprived of his title through misgovernment.

The succession to the throne is regulated not only through descent, but also by statute; the Act of Settlement confirmed that it was for Parliament to determine the title to the throne. The Act laid down that only Protestant descendants of Princess Sophia - the Electress of Hanover and granddaughter of James I - are eligible to succeed. Subsequent Acts have confirmed this.

Parliament, under the Bill of Rights and the Act of Settlement, also laid down various conditions which the Sovereign must meet. A Roman Catholic is specifically excluded from succession to the throne; nor may the Sovereign marry a Roman Catholic. The Sovereign must, in addition, be in communion with the Church of England and must swear to preserve the established Church of England and the established Church of Scotland. The Sovereign must also promise to uphold the Protestant succession.

Line of Succession

1. HRH The Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales (1948)

2. HRH Prince William of Wales, eldest son of The Prince Charles (1982)

3. HRH Prince Henry of Wales, younger son of The Prince Charles (1984)

4. HRH The Prince Andrew, The Duke of York, second son of HM Queen Elizabeth II (1960)

5. HRH Princess Beatrice of York, elder daughter of The Prince Andrew (1988)

6. HRH Princess Eugenie of York, younger daughter of The Prince Andrew (1990)

7. HRH The Prince Edward, The Earl of Wessex, youngest son of HM Queen Elizabeth II (1964)

8. Lady Louise Alice Elizabeth Mary Mountbatten Windsor, daughter of HRH The Prince Edward, The Earl of Wessex (2003)

9. HRH The Princess Anne, The Princess Royal, only daughter of HM Queen Elizabeth II (1950)

10. Peter Phillips, son of The Princess Anne (1977)

11. Zara Phillips, daughter of The Princess Anne (1981)

12. David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley, son of The Princess Margaret (1961)

13. The Honorable Charles Patrick Inigo Armstrong Jones (1999), son of David, Viscount Linley

14. Margarita Elizabeth Alleyne Armstrong-Jones (2002), daughter of David, Viscount Linley

15. Lady Sarah Chatto, daughter of The Princess Margaret (1964)

16. Master Samuel Chatto (1996), son of Lady Sarah Chatto

17. Master Arthur David Nathaniel Chatto (1999), son of Lady Sarah Chatto

18. HRH Prince Richard, The (2nd) Duke of Gloucester, surviving son of HRH The Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, who was the 3rd son of HM King George V (1944)

19. Alexander Windsor, Earl of Ulster (1974), son of Richard, Duke of Gloucester

20. Lady Davina Windsor (1977), daughter of Richard, Duke of Gloucester

21. Lady Rose Windsor (1980), daughter of Richard, Duke of Gloucester

22. HRH Prince Edward, Duke of Kent (1935), son of George, Duke of Kent
George Windsor, The Earl of St. Andrews (excluded himself from succession by marrying a Roman Catholic)
Edward Windsor, Baron Downpatrick (1988), son of George, Earl of St Andrews - excluded himself by becoming a Roman Catholic

23. Lady Marina Charlotte Windsor (1992), daughter of George, Earl of St Andrews

24. Lady Amelia Windsor (1995), daughter of George, Earl of St Andrews
Lord Nicholas Windsor (1970), son of Edward, Duke of Kent (excluded himself by becoming a Roman Catholic)

25. Lady Helen Taylor (1964), daughter of Edward, Duke of Kent

26. Columbus Taylor (1994), son of Lady Helen Taylor

27. Cassius Taylor (1996), son of Lady Helen Taylor

28. Eloise Taylor (2003), daughter of Lady Helen Taylor
Prince Michael of Kent, son of George, Duke of Kent (excluded himself from succession by marrying a Roman Catholic)

29. Lord Frederick Windsor (1979), son of Prince Michael of Kent

30. Lady Gabriella Windsor (1981), daughter of Prince Michael of Kent

31. HRH Princess Alexandra. the Hon. Lady Ogilvy (1936), daughter of George, duke of Kent

32. James Ogilvy (1964), son of Princess Alexandra

33. Alexander Ogilvy (1996), son of James Ogilvy

34. Flora Ogilvy (1994), daughter of James Ogilvy

35. Marina Ogilvy (1966), daughter of Princess Alexandra

36. Christian Mowatt (1993), son of Marina Ogilvy

37. Zenouska Mowatt (1990), daughter of Marina Ogilvy

38. George Lascelles, 7th Earl of Harewood (1923), son of Princess Victoria Alexandra Alice Mary & Sir Henry George Charles Lascelles, 6th earl of Harewood

39. David Lascelles, Viscount Lascelles (1950), son of George Lascelles, 7th Earl of Harewood

40. (Hon.) Alexander Lascelles (1980), son of David Lascelles

41. (Hon.) Edward Lascelles (1982), son of David Lascelles

42. (Hon.) James Lascelles (1953), son of George Lascelles, 7th Earl of Harewood

43. Rowan Lascelles (1977), son of James Lascelles

44. Tewa Lascelles (1985), son of James Lascelles

45. Sophie Lascelles (1973), daughter of James Lascelles

46. (Hon.) Jeremy Lascelles (1955), son of George Lascelles, 7th Earl of Harewood

47. Thomas Lascelles (1982), son of Jeremy Lascelles

48. Ellen Lascelles (1984), daughter of Jeremy Lascelles

49. Amy Lascelles (1986), daughter of Jeremy Lascelles

50. Henry Lascelles (1953), son of the Hon. Gerald David Lascelles (brother of 7th Earl of Harewood)

51. Maximilian Lascelles (1991), son of Henry Lascelles
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I DON&#39;T KNOW HOW THE DUKE OF KENT CAN STILL BE IN LINE TO THE THRONE. THE DUCHESS IS NOW A CATHOLIC WHICH MUST EXCLUDE HIM AS HAVING A CATHOLIC WIFE EXCLUDES PRINCE MICHAEL.
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I think that the reason that the Duke of Kent are going to be devorst from the Dutches of Kent.
Yes she has convertet to the catholic faith BUT he has not and i doubt that he ever will do that.
I haf heard that the duches of Kent has resigned her HRH and are now being called by her firstname of her studens in the clases wher she areteaching music.
I dont know if the queen are going to give them her acept ore aproving ther divorce
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The difference is that when they married the Duchess was not Catholic. She has chosen the catholic faith later in life. It wasn&#39;t anticipated that it would affect their children who were all adults when the Duchess converted. Whilst their younger son has also become catholic it is obviously seen as an individual decision rather than any influence from his mother.
I would also think that the fact that the Kents have lived separate lives for many years had a bearing on the Duke remaining in the Line of Succession.
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The Duke of Kent can no longer be in line to the throne now his wife is Catholic and that is a fact. The Act of Succession is one of the most unambiguous laws in British history and it absolutley prohibits anyone with a Catholic spouse (however the situation may have come about) from ascending to the throne. It has been suggested that since the Duchess converted after her marraige it didn't impact on the Duke but this clause simply dosn't exist. It has been trotted out as the official line because the Royal Family want to shy away from acknowledging his situation as it would provoke yet more negative comment about them.
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According to BRF official site, Duke of Kent is 22nd in line of succession.
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The Duke of Kent can no longer be in line to the throne now his wife is Catholic and that is a fact. The Act of Succession is one of the most unambiguous laws in British history and it absolutley prohibits anyone with a Catholic spouse (however the situation may have come about) from ascending to the throne. It has been suggested that since the Duchess converted after her marraige it didn't impact on the Duke but this clause simply dosn't exist. It has been trotted out as the official line because the Royal Family want to shy away from acknowledging his situation as it would provoke yet more negative comment about them.
Have you actually read the Act of Settlement?

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...all and every person and persons that then were, or afterwards should be reconciled to, or shall hold communion with the see or church of Rome, or should profess the popish religion, or marry a papist, should be excluded...
The Duke did marry a member of CofE in 1961. If the Act had been phrased as 'be married to a papist', then the Duke would have been excluded from the line of succession. But he is not.
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The Duke of Kent can no longer be in line to the throne now his wife is Catholic and that is a fact. The Act of Succession is one of the most unambiguous laws in British history and it absolutley prohibits anyone with a Catholic spouse (however the situation may have come about) from ascending to the throne. It has been suggested that since the Duchess converted after her marraige it didn't impact on the Duke but this clause simply dosn't exist. It has been trotted out as the official line because the Royal Family want to shy away from acknowledging his situation as it would provoke yet more negative comment about them.
Do you mean to say that if Diana had followed through with one of her interests and actually converted to Catholicism, it would have automatically barred Charles from the succession? Considering the state of affairs between them, if that had been the case I'd have thought she'd have done it just to spite him.

I seem to remember at the time when people were wondering if she was going to convert, it was stated (although I don't remember by whom) that conversion of a spouse after marriage didn't require a person to be removed from the line of succession.

The wording of the act is "marry a papist," not "be married to a papist."

http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/par...settlement.htm

I think that a person arguing for the removal of an heir whose spouse converts to Catholicism would have a hard time making it stick.
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Why doesn't anybody in the british parlament raise questions over this law anyway? I do not think it is in accordance to present day policy of non-discrimination anymore and horribly out of date. What is needed to change this law? Just consent of parlament?
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I'm a little bit confused here. The Duke and Duchess of Kent are both Anglican. Prince Michael of Kent married Princess Michael (the former Marie-Christine von Reibnitz) and is out of the sequence of succession. I don't know if there was a change now to the Succession Laws, if it would be retroactive to the Prince's marriage and how that would affect his position. Either way, it always seemed to me that Michael was perfectly happy with his decision, and that he was not terribly concerned about his place in the succession. That's jusy my opinion.
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The Duchess of Kent converted to Catholic in the 1990's (I'm not sure of the when) Since the Duke of Kent did not marry a Catholic he can stay in the line of succession (again nothing about being married to a Catholic) in some ways it seems like a loop hole. If he converted then he would lose his place.

Prince Michael married a Catholic and is no longer in line although his two children still are.
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"Marry a Papist" clearly also equates to anyone married TO a Papist as the whole premise of the law is to stop anyone with a Catholic spouse becoming King/Queen.

Following this logic how can a Monarch with a Catholic consort ever be allowed whether that consort was a Catholic before marraige or converted after the event?
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