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Old 10-28-2011, 11:48 AM
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I think this is wonderful and LONG overdue. Good for the Queen for not caring in the sense of if they have a girl then a boy, the boy gets to be ahead in the line. It is 2011, this should have been changed a long time ago.

Now, I will give you Brits credit for this. In this country, we have a saying about family fortunes, houses, wealth, etc. The grandfather builds, the son lives off of it, the grandson destroys it. Hence why the Vanderbilts, as an example, no longer have the immense wealth.

BUT, with your aristocracy....what impresses me, is that many, many of them have been able to maintain their properties, wealth, etc., for hundreds if not thousands of years. I like to read about them online...and as an American to see this, wow. Granted some of the homes have been sold, contents, jewels, etc...but a ton of these families have been able to keep it intact due to primogeniture. I am not trying, as a woman, to sounds sexist...but that is impressive.

As for the ban on Catholics...simply do this, make it clear the sovereign MUST be Anglican...no matter the religion of the parent who is not. This is not difficult to do IMO..and I am a Catholic...lol.
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:54 AM
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Indeed!! Wouldn't it be funny if the next few generations has first-born sons--it'd be a century or two before a first-born daughter ascend the throne over her younger brothers.

Come to think....it seems like the last few generations more often than not has sons as the first born? The last time a daughter was first-born was when Queen Victoria gave birth to Princess Victoria? Since then every generation with a King/Queen has a boy as the first born. So if this keep up, it may be quite a while before a girl is first-born.
Now you may not count this but, wasn't Queen Elizabeth II a first born daughter who ascended the throne? :)
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:27 PM
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Yes, I was thinking of Queen Elizabeth as a prime example, myself. And, if one looks at HM's four children's offspring, they are a good example of the fact that, on average, boys and girls are born at roughly the same rate. Prince Charles has a male firstborn, Princess Anne has a male firstborn, Prince Andrew a female firstborn, and Prince Edward has a female firstborn. 50/50

But there are so many interesting thought experiments here. Had this law been passed years ago, before Charles married Diana, and he had married someone else who did not have children or if Diana had not had children, then when Charles died, Princess Anne would become Queen? Fascinating to think about.

Seems they chose a stable moment to make this change, when it seems sure that Charles will ascend the throne upon the death of his mother, and if he predeceases her, he has two male heirs next in line, so plenty of time to get used to the change (if anyone needs time!)

So now the rumors in the tabloids that Kate is already pregnant with a girl will ramp up even more. I wonder if, when she does get pregnant, they'll do as so many celeb couples do these days and announce the sex of the child when it becomes known. I wonder if they have a girl, will they name her Elizabeth??

They could name her Catherine...or Willa.
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Now you may not count this but, wasn't Queen Elizabeth II a first born daughter who ascended the throne? :)
lol, I think Royal meant to a reigning monarch. Though Victoria is not actually long ago from a generational standpoint.

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They could name her Catherine...or Willa.
More than likely Diana will be included in that.
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:52 PM
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This is indeed wonderful news. The fact that it all came around the time of the Diamond Jubilee makes it all the more significant and exciting. As Baroness of Books stated, 'Girl Power indeed' .
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:19 PM
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I'm so pleased that this was approved!
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:20 PM
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Now you may not count this but, wasn't Queen Elizabeth II a first born daughter who ascended the throne? :)
You're quite right--I was thinking of families where babies of both g enderwere born, but didn't say that. It *seems* like the last few generations has seen more boys than girls being born, although with the Queen and her sister, as well as the Yorks seems to offset that somewhat.

Maybe if I have time, I might try to determine the gender frequency and see if there's some to my impression.
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:31 PM
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I hope the changes go as smoothly as everyone seems to suggest but somehow I don't think it will quite that easy.. Remember these changes not only have to be passed by Westminster but also by several Commonwealth parliaments. I hope this doesnt open more questions on the continuation of the monarchy than just changes in succession rules. Each country will have its own rules on how the changes need to be implemented, and some national governments may change before legislation can be passed.
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:37 PM
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Women's liberation, that is what this is all about! This is at the top of Cameron's agenda?! THIS! What nonsense! What a maniacal waste of time. The Duke and Duchess do not even have a child yet. Victoria and Carl Philip were born before Sweden adopted absolute primogeniture. To do so on assumption is insane. What if William and Catherine's first born child is a son? This is a political stunt to regain popularity and why not include dukes, earls and barons?
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:48 PM
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Queen Diana someday? That would certainly give the Royal Forums a lot to talk about and mull over for the next few decades.
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:52 PM
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Well of course this is a 'political stunt' - as you choose to call it. But do we talk politics in this forum ?
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Old 10-28-2011, 02:16 PM
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It's certainly a victory for gender politics and religious ones as well, but I'm not a total fan. The media landscape has changed a lot since QEII took the throne. Any little girl today who would be destined to become Queen is going to face a lot of criticism from her looks to her behavior--looks, especially. She will not get the same pass her father did for youthful hijinks: clubbing, looking drunk in public, and any other sort of behavior that looks messy. I think for a girl, it won't be as easy on her psyche.
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It's certainly a victory for gender politics and religious ones as well, but I'm not a total fan. The media landscape has changed a lot since QEII took the throne. Any little girl today who would be destined to become Queen is going to face a lot of criticism from her looks to her behavior--looks, especially. She will not get the same pass her father did for youthful hijinks: clubbing, looking drunk in public, and any other sort of behavior that looks messy. I think for a girl, it won't be as easy on her psyche.
Very interesting point....one of the thing that has always impressed me about the Queen was she seem to be always very dignified even in her childhood, as if she has been preparing to be Queen since birth. Granted she knew at about age 10 that she would eventually become Queen, but even so, she seemed to have projected an attitude of responsibility and maturity from childhood onward.. Of course that could be because the press were very respectful of the Royal Family back then though and didn't report anything that would cast a shadow on them.

The Prince of Wales has also seemed to have taken himself seriously (maybe too seriously sometimes) in his growing up. At least that has always been my impression of him while growing up in the 70s--that he was very careful about what he was doing, etc. I see the similar traits in the Duke of Cambridge, although not as uptight as his father. I think if he has a daughter (or son) as the heir apparent, he'll use his and his father's experience to help prepare her/him. I think he'll be a wonderful father and whoever first-born will have a strong foundation to build on from him.
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Old 10-28-2011, 02:42 PM
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No referendum was required in Australia after all? Interesting.

I toast HM the Queen on this; I firmly believe that it is her life-long example of Queenship, service, and devotion to country, as much as any political expediency, that made this possible.
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:40 PM
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It's interesting to me to know something deeper on this law.If they've adopted the equal law,will this law apply to the British nobility as well?
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:01 PM
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From reading a couple of previous posts, I don't think it does. Prehaps someone will make it a bit clearer.
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:28 PM
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From reading a couple of previous posts, I don't think it does. Prehaps someone will make it a bit clearer.
Some Lord earlier had indicated that this would not extend to nobility, only the succession to the Throne.
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:32 PM
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Hummm...there are lots of nobles in the succession. Or is everyone outside the Windsors disqualified?
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:36 PM
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It doesn't mention anything in today's news, but I remember reading in the British press leading up to this law that the nobility is excluded because of vast complications in the peerage system.

BTW, I wonder how the Middleton family must be reacting to this news? I'm sure they're most likely proud and happy that their daughter/sister is an instrumental part of the change in the monarchy.
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:37 PM
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Basically ,I am not against the new law,but it won't be correct if this applies only to the future King/Queen.So I do think,as example to the next heirs of these titles in the future.As I know,Lord Mountbatten's title passed to his eldest daughter,as exception done in this way.
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