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Old 12-04-2012, 02:54 AM
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For me, the problem isn't that the monarch and his/her spouse have to be Anglicans (although even that might sound old-fashioned these days), but that Catholics are the only ones, who are discriminated by that law. Of course, I know that it has historical reasons, but it just seems weird that three hundred years later, a British prince or princess can marry a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu etc and still keep their place in the succession, but lose it if they marry a Catholic. I personally find that a bigger problem than the male primogeniture.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:00 AM
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You make a good point. Hence my various posts on the fact that sorting out primogeniture might be a "done deal" (but Nick Clegg doesn't appear to realise that 16 other realms need to approve it as well) but the other issues are not so easily solved.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:50 AM
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Future Monarchs.

I am new here and would like to congratulate the Royal Family on the news they announced yesterday but which has been suspected with a few weeks now.

Forgive my ignorance in asking this question.

I know that Charles is next in line to the throne, and after that William, then Harry but this will change when the new baby is born.

But what happens if Charles was to die before the queen. How would that change things. Would William be next in line to the thrown, or would it be Andrew as the Queens oldest surviving son at the time of her death or abdication.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:00 AM
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Should Charles die before the Queen, William would be next in line for the throne after the Queen as Charles' heir. Once the Cambridge baby is born, he/she would then be next in line. Until the baby is born, it would be Harry.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:06 AM
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Succession goes
Charles
William
Henry
Andrew

If Charles dies, William becomes King just like if Charles survived The Queen.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:07 AM
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Should Charles die before the Queen, William would be next in line for the throne after the Queen as Charles' heir. Once the Cambridge baby is born, he/she would then be next in line. Until the baby is born, it would be Harry.

Thanks for your answer. I dont know why I was left to believe that If Charles was to die that Andrew would become next in line to the queen as he would be her oldest son at the time of her death. I was also lead to believe that William would only become King after Charles filled the roll.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:30 AM
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The sovereign is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, so he or she must be Anglican. That they cannot marry a Catholic is not discrimination, romanists require the children be raised Catholic, and to my first point, this isn't possible.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:47 AM
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The sovereign is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, so he or she must be Anglican. That they cannot marry a Catholic is not discrimination, romanists require the children be raised Catholic, and to my first point, this isn't possible.
The Catholic church is not longer so strict when it comes to that and hasn't been for centuries when it comes to Royal marriages. In the 1800s eg Josephine of Leuchtenberg, a Catholic princess from Bavaria, married Crown Prince Oscar of Sweden. While she stayed a Catholic, her children were raised protestants.

The reason is another: when the Act of Settlement was passed, the pope supported the Stuarts who had tried to keep their absolute power against their peers and asked all Catholic monarchs of Europe to do the same - namely France and Spain supported the Stuarts, the last male-line Stuart pretender to the throne even was a Catholic cardinal.

So it was against the interest of parliament to allow a claimant of the throne to be married and thus influenced by a Catholic spouse. It had less to do with religion but with the question who was the real power in the UK. Of course, today, this is no longer a question but old traditions die hard.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:03 AM
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As long as the Church of England is established by law, and for the foreseeable future it will be, the sovereign will be an Anglican.
Charles, William, and William's children are and will be raised Anglican, so this will not even be an issue for another generation or two.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:37 AM
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The sovereign is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, so he or she must be Anglican. That they cannot marry a Catholic is not discrimination, romanists require the children be raised Catholic, and to my first point, this isn't possible.
Since no other other faith or religion is mentioned this way in the law, it is a form of discrimination. Like I said in my previous post, isn't it weird that a British prince or princess can marry a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu etc, but still keep their place in the succession, when they lose it upon a marriage to a Catholic? Like I also said before, I know that there are historical reasons why this restriction exists, but that was three hundred years ago, and I don't understand why it still exists in 2012.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:55 AM
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When the laws supporting male primogeniture are changed, will this also apply to inherited peerages in the UK - or will the rules apply only to future monarchs?
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:59 AM
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When the laws supporting male primogeniture are changed, will this also apply to inherited peerages in the UK - or will the rules apply only to future monarchs?
The proposed changes will not in any shape or form affect successions to peerages. They only deal with succession to the Throne and, in case of Equal Primogeniture, apply only to the descendants of the current Prince of Wales.

In Britain, succession to peerages is determined by the individual Letters Patent that had created the title in the first place. Only a complex legal process including an Act of Parliament and new Letters Patent could reform succession to peerages - and that's not happening any time soon.
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I have another question. Imagine that twins, are born,
- who is the first to the rights?
- if twins boy and girl are born, how is the order in succession?
- if babies are born by ceaserian, how is the order in succession?
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:05 PM
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If the laws are being changed so that females can inherit the throne despite having younger brothers, I presume it in all cases would be the eldest twin, the firstborn of the two, who inherits the throne.
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First one out of the womb gets the crown. Even in C sections one baby gets out before the other.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:33 PM
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First one out of the womb gets the crown. Even in C sections one baby gets out before the other.
The ultimate "what if" must be: What if they are siamese twins?
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The ultimate "what if" must be: What if they are siamese twins?
Nice. You made me laugh!!
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:52 PM
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First one out of the womb gets the crown. Even in C sections one baby gets out before the other.
Well, first one out gets the crown if the new law is in place. If a girl comes out first and a boy next, the boy is King.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:57 PM
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Hello and welcome Irishtom

This link might help you!

Line of succession to the British throne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Well, first one out gets the crown if the new law is in place. If a girl comes out first and a boy next, the boy is King.
Why would the boy be king and not the girl if she's born first?
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