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Old 04-22-2013, 06:13 PM
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It was always a 'done deal' but it doesn't take effect until all the realms have passed it according to their own processes.

So this doesn't take effect yet.
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:33 PM
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That's what I was thinking - basically, it's one down, fifteen more to go.
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That's what I was thinking - basically, it's one down, fifteen more to go.
A bit more than that actually. The different Channel Islands will also have to pass the legislation in their own legislatures since the laws of Westminster have no effect there. Not sure about the Isle of Man but expect it is likely the same.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:02 PM
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But the first step has been taken successfully. It's no longer just an intention; the legislation has been passed in the UK. And, IMO, the fact it has been passed at home will make it just that little more difficult for the realms to resist.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:06 PM
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Well, when the baby arrives, he or she will be the future Monarch.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:06 PM
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Is this article correct? Prince Michael of Kent will be restored to his position in the Line of Succession?

Change to royal succession passes House of Lords, now awaits Queen - National Royal News | Examiner.com
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:23 PM
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That is the effect of Section 2 of the Act, and that is what will happen once Section 2 is proclaimed to commence.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:23 PM
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Yes - when the legislation has passed in all the different realms, and most of the others haven't even started the process yet, Michael and any others who have lost their place in the order of succession due to marriage to a RC will be restored. Those who lost their place due to being RC or becoming RC will still be out.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:11 PM
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If Peter and Autumn have a son where will he place. He would be born after the cut-off date but his sisters were born before?
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:23 PM
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The answer lies in the wording of the relevant section: "In determining the succession to the Crown, the gender of a person born after 28 October 2011 does not give that person, or that person’s descendants, precedence over any other person (whenever born)."
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:50 PM
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To add to what Roslyn said:

any child born now will take their position in line to the throne in birth order

but...

only AFTER all the realms have passed the legislation so...

a son born to Peter now would go ahead of his sisters and then drop behind them when all the necessary legislation is passed in all the realms.

This is clear with the son of one of the Duke of Gloucester's daughters - currently he is ahead of his older sister but as he was born after the cut-off date when the legislation is passed in all the realms he will drop behind her meanwhile James will always stay ahead of Louise and Andrew and Edward and their lines ahead of Anne and her line.
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:38 AM
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Realms where the new law has passed:

Canada
United Kingdom
Antigua and Barbuda (no domestic legislation needed)
Papua New Guinea (no domestic legislation needed)
Belize (no domestic legislation needed)
Jamaica (no domestic legislation needed)
Solomon Islands (no domestic legislation needed)
Tuvalu (no domestic legislation needed)

Realms pending:

Australia
New Zealand
The Bahamas
Barbados
Grenada
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

So I done a little research.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:25 AM
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Realms where the new law takes effect:

Canada
United Kingdom
Antigua and Barbuda (no domestic legislation needed)
Papua New Guinea (no domestic legislation needed)
Belize (no domestic legislation needed)
Jamaica (no domestic legislation needed)
Solomon Islands (no domestic legislation needed)
Tuvalu (no domestic legislation needed)

Realms pending:

Australia
The Bahamas
Barbados
Grenada
New Zealand
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

So I done a little research.
That's wrong though? As Iluvbertie has said nothing takes effect until it is passed in ALL realms.
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I have changed it.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:07 PM
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It's more like realms where it's been passed vs realms where it still needs to be passed.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:28 PM
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So really only Canada has passed it besides the UK as the others didn't have to pass it.

They did say in 2011 that it could take up to 4 years to get all the realms to pass it and of course if the baby is a boy it won't even be that urgent for it to pass anyway.


One of the other points in this legislation is that Eugenie will be soon able to marry without the consent of the monarch as she will drop to 7th in line after the baby is born and after a second child Beatrice won't need that permission either.
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:14 PM
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I will be surprised if they do not ask HM anyway. They respect her and respect what her traditions mean to her.
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:55 PM
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Asking 'granny' to approve your chosen love it one thing - and I am sure that like many other people they will want the approval of their family but the requirement for the formality of the announcement in the gazette through the Privy Council will go and that is what won't be happening.
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Future of title Prince of Wales

According to the new succession rules, the first-born child of the monarch, male or female, will be the heir. If the eldest child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge is a girl, she will be heir after William. I don't think a subsequently born son could become Prince of Wales (after William becomes King) because that son would not be the heir. Does this mean that the title of Prince of Wales will only apply in those cases where the eldest child happens to be a male? Or will a female who is the eldest child and heir be called Princess of Wales in her own right (as opposed to having this title as spouse of a Prince of Wales, as has been the case)?
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:54 AM
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According to the new succession rules, the first-born child of the monarch, male or female, will be the heir. If the eldest child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge is a girl, she will be heir after William. I don't think a subsequently born son could become Prince of Wales (after William becomes King) because that son would not be the heir. Does this mean that the title of Prince of Wales will only apply in those cases where the eldest child happens to be a male? Or will a female who is the eldest child and heir be called Princess of Wales in her own right (as opposed to having this title as spouse of a Prince of Wales, as has been the case)?
The title Prince of Wales is reserved for the heir apparent - there is no specification as to gender made, however until now it has always been very unlikely that an heir apparent would be female, and has never actually happened.

Previously there were two forms of heirs in the British system; apparent and presumptive. The heir apparent was someone whose status as heir could not be displaced by the birth of another, the heir presumptive was someone whose status could be displaced by the birth of another. Typically heir apparents would have been the eldest son of the monarch, but it could have also been a grandson or even a granddaughter, in the event of the eldest son of the monarch dying after having children, but before his parent. Heir presumptives were daughters, nieces, nephews, younger siblings, and even cousins or aunts and uncles.

Theoretically, a female heir apparent can be Prince of Wales - much like how a female monarch is Duke of Lancaster. If they wish instead to go with gender appropriate terms, then a female heir apparent could be titled Princess of Wales - we won't know until such a time as there is a female heir apparent, which at the earliest would be when William is king if the Cambridge baby is a girl.
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