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A degree in Art History can actually be very useful for a royal consort.

When Queen Mathilde for example was preparing for her recent state visit to China, I remember reading on TRF that her preparation included learning about Chinese art and history. Catherine may have taken a class on oriental art for example as part of her Art History degree, which would come in handy in a meeting with the Chinese president. Moreover, she may have taken History at A-Level to prepare for university studies and have some prior knowledge then of Chinese history.

In any case, a university education, irrespective of your major area of study, opens your mind and provides general analytical and verbal skills that are useful in many circumstances, including social events.
So given the fact the Queen has no university degree and, in fact, never even went to school I wonder how she has managed to string two words together with a visiting head of state these past 63 years. Maybe she should just skip all state visits and just leave them to Kate with her degree in Art History.

BTW, when did Chinese history become high on the syllabus of the UK education system?
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So given the fact the Queen has no university degree and, in fact, never even went to school I wonder how she has managed to string two words together with a visiting head of state these past 63 years. Maybe she should just skip all state visits and just leave them to Kate with her degree in Art History.

BTW, when did Chinese history become high on the syllabus of the UK education system?
Having a use of a degree doesn't mean NOT having a degree is bad. I mean...Just because someone said that having a art history degree can help with cultural smalltalk (which it can!) doesn't mean it's needed or that she will get better. Saying one thing is good doesn't exclude all other things from being good. Just that she might have some use of it, that's it!
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So given the fact the Queen has no university degree and, in fact, never even went to school I wonder how she has managed to string two words together with a visiting head of state these past 63 years. Maybe she should just skip all state visits and just leave them to Kate with her degree in Art History.

BTW, when did Chinese history become high on the syllabus of the UK education system?
Contemporary Chinese history (19th and 20th centuries) is an option available in the A-Level History syllabus in the UK. And Oriental Art is a topic available to 3rd and 4th year students at St. Andrew's. I am not saying Catherine took any of those courses, but she might have. Besides, even if she didn't, she would benefit as I said from the general analytical and verbal skills provided by formal education.

On your second argument, it is indeed surprising that Queen Elizabeth II lacks a university education when reigning queens who were older than she, such as Queen Juliana for example, had a university degree. However, Queen Elizabeth II did receive a lot of private tutoring, including in topics such as history, languages (French) and constitutional law. Furthermore, she has a lot of practical experience in her long reign.

Camilla on the other hand lacks both formal education and that kind of experience of training. In fact, it is surprising that a future princess consort of the United Kingdom, in this day and age, doesn't even hold a school leaving certificate that would make her eligible to apply to a university. To be fair though, Diana was similarly unqualified.
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Old 10-02-2015, 04:08 PM
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Having a use of a degree doesn't mean NOT having a degree is bad. I mean...Just because someone said that having a art history degree can help with cultural smalltalk (which it can!) doesn't mean it's needed or that she will get better. Saying one thing is good doesn't exclude all other things from being good. Just that she might have some use of it, that's it!
agreed. With Kate's background in Art History, she could potentially have something to speak about with the First Lady, or whomever. Just as easily, knowing she'll be involved in the State Visit, she can google things or read a book or anything.

No one is saying that Kate is somehow miles ahead of anyone else (from what I've read), simply that she does have a degree that potentially could give her some background for a conversation.

There's no need for people to twist words, it's just petty, imo.

I do wish it was the end of the month already, so we can get this visit over with and stop speculating! lol
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Old 10-02-2015, 04:44 PM
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If and when the Cambridges do attend the Chinese state banquet, I can pretty much guarantee that there will be one topic of conversation directed at Kate and that is how are the children? One thing that will have stood out in the President Xi's and his wife's minds is the fact that Kate didn't accompany William on his state visit to China because she was getting close to the birth of her second child.

Maybe Kate will regale the guests with the story about George on hearing that his daddy was in China ran over to the china cabinet and opened it looking for Daddy. That should get a few chuckles.
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:55 PM
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Didn't Wills and the Chinese President end up talking about football during their meeting? Kate could end up talking Downton Abbey with the Chinese visitors. It isn't going to be heavy political conversations.


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Old 10-02-2015, 07:49 PM
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I was simply making the point (somewhat sarcastically I acknowledge) that a university degree or even a formal education is not necessary to be a successful hostess - as the Queen and her mother have proved for decades. All that is necessary are good manners and an ability to make small talk.

I don't agree that Camilla is untrained or unqualified to be a hostess. She has years of experience of hosting or being a guest at regimental dinners and has been hostess for the Prince of Wales for many, many years, both before and after her marriage. She has had exposure to people from all walks of life and many different backgrounds both through her former marriage and her current one. Among the many criticisms she receives I don't think I have ever seen her criticised for being a bad hostess.

The Royals have access to a wide circle of experts. If Camilla, Kate or anyone else is to be seated next to a high ranking official of any country it is a simple enough exercise for them to request a briefing paper on the country or interests of the person they are going to be meeting.
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Old 10-03-2015, 02:36 AM
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I still don't understand how having a degree or not having one makes any difference when attending a state banquet. Life itself gives you enough experience in "social situations".
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Old 10-05-2015, 11:46 AM
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With Camilla not attending this year does that mean that Anne will be seated at the top table and not Catherine if she attends? I am right in thinking that Anne is higher than Catherine if Camilla is not present? I know Sophie at the at the top table earlier this year as neither Anne nor Camilla were present, although Edward was not at the top.
Has it been confirmed that Camilla is not attending, or is it yet more speculation?
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Old 10-05-2015, 12:29 PM
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I still don't understand how having a degree or not having one makes any difference when attending a state banquet. Life itself gives you enough experience in "social situations".
It simply depends. As a human being, you should almost always have something to discuss with the person sitting next to you. We all can google ahead of time to find something to discuss, but you can also bring knowledge you learned when getting your degree.

For example, I would have to do extensive googling & studying before sitting down next to someone of the Chinese delegation. obviously, I might find something boring to talk about without googling/studying. But, if I was sat next to someone of a German delegation, then I can bring not only my personal experience, but things I learned while working towards my degree.

Having a degree can aid someone, but it is not necessary to holding a conversation. But if Kate has studied Chinese art, then that could help her hold a discussion, at least a conversation starter. That's all.
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Old 10-05-2015, 01:10 PM
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Camilla on the other hand lacks both formal education and that kind of experience of training. In fact, it is surprising that a future princess consort of the United Kingdom, in this day and age, doesn't even hold a school leaving certificate that would make her eligible to apply to a university. To be fair though, Diana was similarly unqualified.
For her current and future role Camilla has the very best education. She has been given an education which was typical for ladies of better milieus. The Institut Mon Fertile in Switzerland, a boarding school and a so-called "finishing school", learned her etiquette, diplomacy, protocol, languages, art history, music and ballet. After this Camilla studied French language and French literature in Paris, France. With that, she was more than ready "to marry well". There is hardly a better education befitting a role as "the lady of the House", which is Camilla's main role now.
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Old 10-05-2015, 03:39 PM
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Kate Middleton's State date with William to charm China-
Kate Middleton's State date with William to charm China by SEBASTIAN SHAKESPEARE | Daily Mail Online
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Old 10-11-2015, 05:37 PM
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Prince Charles and The Duchess of Cornwall will probably meet with the President and his wife at Clarence House then escort them to meet the Queen.

William will probably not have another meeting with the President.

It is possible that William and Catherine may meet the President & first lady of China if they join Charles and Camilla at Clarence House but very doubtful William will have a one on one with the President of China.

Princess Anne would probably be there.

Here's a video of the Queen giving a behind the scene look at a State Visit.

Take a note of how Anne is treated. She is the one who accompanies QEQM.
Note that Edward enters after Anne and after Margaret but before the Duchess of Kent.


That particular clip reflects very badly IMHO on the BRF as they come across as terribly snobbish and elitist, especially when HM and Princess Anne seem amused with President Walesa who, as a former shipyard eletrician from Gdansk with little formal education, obviously was not expected to speak English and was understandably overwhelmed by Windsor Castle.
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Britain’s ‘secret weapons’ - Article a few months old but highlights the importance of the upcoming state visit

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A leading British commentator said relations between China and the UK look promising following Prince William's historic visit to China.

During his three-day visit, Prince William was warmly welcomed by Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing. He also presented the Chinese president with an official invitation from Queen Elizabeth II to visit the UK later this year.

He then went to Shanghai to open "The GREAT Festival," which promoted British innovation, and headed to an elephant sanctuary in the southwestern province of Yunnan, to call attention to the illegal wildlife trade.

"It shows the importance the British government places on the relationship between China and the UK," Jobson said, adding that the visit is very significant, because the queen was the last senior royal family member to visit China in 1986.

"Prince William, second heir to the throne, is now preparing for his role as the future King," Jobson said. Looking forward, the relationship between China and the UK is hugely important in terms of trade, diplomacy and cultural exchanges. So a visit to China was very important, he added.

The British royal family has been on a charm offensive toward China. Right before the visit, Prince William sent greetings in Mandarin for the Chinese New Year on Chinese television, and Prince Charles and Camilla visited London's Chinatown to celebrate Chinese New Year.
Read more: Britain’s ‘secret weapons’ - Global Times

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Official: Prince Charles will not attend next week's State banquet hosted by the Queen for Chinese president

Richard Palmer ‏@RoyalReporter
Buckingham Palace has confirmed that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will take part in the Chinese president's state visit next week.

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Prince William and Kate will join the Chinese President and his wife at a creative industry event at Lancaster House next Wed 21


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DETAIL of STATE VISIT

STATE VISIT OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA

20th to 23rd October 2015

The President of The People’s Republic of China, Mr Xi Jinping, accompanied by Madame Peng Liyuan, will pay a state visit to the United Kingdom as the guests of the Queen from 20th to 23rd October 2015. The President and Madame Peng will stay at Buckingham Palace during the visit.

The last state visit from China was by President Hu Jintao in 2005. The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh paid a state visit to China in 1986. The Duke of Cambridge paid an official visit to China in March 2015, on behalf of Her Majesty's Government.

MONDAY 19TH OCTOBER
The President of the People's Republic of China and Madame Peng Liyuan will arrive privately in the United Kingdom on the evening of Monday 19th October, at Heathrow Airport. They will be greeted on behalf of the Queen by The Viscount Hood, Lord-in-Waiting.

TUESDAY 20TH OCTOBER
The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall will greet President Xi and Madame Peng on behalf of the Queen, at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel on Tuesday morning. Their Royal Highnesses will then travel with the President and Madame Peng to Horse Guards Parade, where the President will receive a ceremonial welcome.

The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh will formally welcome the President and Madame Peng at the Royal Pavilion on Horse Guards Parade. Presentations will be made, the guard of honour will give a royal salute and the Chinese National Anthem will be played. The President, accompanied by the Duke of Edinburgh, will inspect the guard of honour. Afterwards, the President and Madame Peng will join the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh for a state carriage procession along The Mall to Buckingham Palace.

Following a private lunch at Buckingham Palace, given by the Queen, Her Majesty will invite the President and Madame Peng to view an exhibition in the Picture Gallery of items from the Royal Collection relating to China.

In the afternoon the President and Madame Peng will visit the Palace of Westminster, where they will be welcomed by the Speaker of the House of Commons and the Lord Speaker. The President will deliver an address in the Royal Gallery to Members of the Houses of Parliament and other guests.

Afterwards, President Xi and Madame Peng will meet with the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall at Clarence House. The President and Madame Peng will be invited to view a display by The Prince's School for Traditional Arts and meet students, and thereafter they will join Their Royal Highnesses for tea.

Later, the Duke of Cambridge will call on the President at Buckingham Palace. Following this, President Xi will receive an official call at Buckingham Palace by the Leader of the Opposition, Mr Jeremy Corbyn, MP.

In the evening the Queen will give a state banquet at Buckingham Palace for the President. Her Majesty and the President will both make speeches at the start of the banquet.

WEDNESDAY 21ST OCTOBER
In the morning the President will visit Imperial College London, the UK's number one research collaborator with China. His Excellency will be joined by the Duke of York and the Rt Hon George Osborne, MP, Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Later in the morning the President and Madame Peng will join the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge at a creative industry event at Lancaster House. The event will celebrate cultural collaboration, existing and future, between the UK and China.

Afterwards, President Xi will meet with the Prime Minister, the Rt Hon David Cameron MP, at No.10 Downing Street for a bilateral meeting.

In the afternoon, the President, accompanied by the Prime Minister, will visit the UK-China Business Summit at Mansion House. The summit will focus on investment, infrastructure and innovation, and will build on the two countries’ cooperation in bilateral trade and two way investment.

Later in the afternoon, the President will visit Huawei Technologies. The President will receive presentations looking at Huawei's 14 years in the UK, its innovation work with UK partners and the latest technology trends.

In the evening, the President and Madame Peng, joined by the Duke of York, will attend a Banquet at Guildhall given by the Lord Mayor and City of London Corporation. The Lord Mayor and the President will both make speeches at the end of the banquet.

THURSDAY 22ND OCTOBER
The President and Madame Peng will formally bid farewell to the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh at Buckingham Palace in the morning.

Thereafter, the President, joined by the Duke of York, will visit Inmarsat, a leading provider of global satellite communication services.

Afterwards, the President and the Duke of York will join a Confucius Institute conference hosted by UCL Institute of Education at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel.

In the evening, the President and Madame Peng will join the Prime Minister, the Rt Hon David Cameron MP, and Mrs Cameron, at Chequers for talks and dinner together.

Later, the President and Madame Peng will fly up to Manchester ahead of the final day of the state visit.

FRIDAY 23RD OCTOBER
In the morning, the President, joined by the Rt Hon George Osborne, MP, Chancellor of the Exchequer, will visit the National Graphene Institute at the University of Manchester. The university leads the world in graphene research and is one of the most important centres for commercialising the one-atom-thick material.

Later in the morning, the President, joined by the Prime Minister, the Rt Hon David Cameron MP, will visit the City Football Group.

Afterwards, the President and Madame Peng will be joined by the Prime Minister for lunch at Manchester Town Hall hosted by the Lord Mayor of the City of Manchester. Invited guests will include civic and business representatives.

In the afternoon, the President and Madame Peng, accompanied by the Prime Minister, will attend an event at Manchester Airport.

At the conclusion of the state visit, the Lord Chamberlain will bid farewell to President Xi and Madame Peng on behalf of the Queen. Their Excellencies will depart from Manchester Airport.
STATE VISIT ENDS
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Official: Prince Charles will not attend next week's State banquet hosted by the Queen for Chinese president

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Buckingham Palace has confirmed that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will take part in the Chinese president's state visit next week.

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Prince William and Kate will join the Chinese President and his wife at a creative industry event at Lancaster House next Wed 21


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So William is going to have a solo event with the Chinese president after all. I am also surprised to see how involved the Duke of York will be in the official program.
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It's good to see something different during this State Visit. The Duke of York will attend the banquet at Guildhall with the President and his wife. It's usually the Gloucester's who attends.
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STATE VISIT OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA

20th to 23rd October 2015

The President of The People’s Republic of China, Mr Xi Jinping, accompanied by Madame Peng Liyuan, will pay a state visit to the United Kingdom as the guests of the Queen from 20th to 23rd October 2015. The President and Madame Peng will stay at Buckingham Palace during the visit.

The last state visit from China was by President Hu Jintao in 2005. The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh paid a state visit to China in 1986. The Duke of Cambridge paid an official visit to China in March 2015, on behalf of Her Majesty's Government.
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Glad to get official news so speculations can stop. This looks like it will be a very interesting state visit for us royal watchers.
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I'm glad that the next King, and his wife haven't been 'airbrushed' out of this visit, but will play a prominent role in it. The Prince's views give voice to MANY in this country, who take a dim view of the Chinese treatment of the Dalai Lama and his compatriots, so it is good to see him included.
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Great news that William and Kate will take part in the state visit, but we must remember that there are no confirmation on them attending the state banquet (not routinely announced), but I think it's very likely that they will be there.
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