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Old 07-14-2017, 05:38 PM
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As far as American state visits, Obama of course enjoyed one, but his predecessor hosted HM instead. Before that, Clinton was in the UK for the big 50th anniversary of D-Day events and did plenty of formal hob-nobbing then. HIS predecessor, the first Bush, formally hosted HM at the White House, and before that, Reagan ...well, I could go on, but there's been quite a bit of fairly recent entertaining at the formal state level between the two countries.

I don't know what will happen with President Trump. Didn't he demand some kind of special parade, or was that sensationalist media nonsense? Maybe he'll pull an Idi Amin and declare himself the King of Scotland. :)
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:18 PM
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The first ever US State Visit to the UK was for President George W Bush back in 2003. The second one was for President Obama in 2011.
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:44 PM
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The first ever US State Visit to the UK was for President George W Bush back in 2003. The second one was for President Obama in 2011.

Thank you Nico. I clearly should have done a bit of homework!
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It's pretty amazing that 2003 was the first ever, actually, considering the much trumpeted 'special relationship' between the US and UK throughout the 20th century. Also amazing is that the Kennedys never came on a State Visit, when you remember the well known visits to Paris and to Berlin.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:18 AM
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I know HM hosted the Pres. & Mrs. Kennedy at BP for a black tie dinner. I guess what I was thinking of was all of the black tie socializing - the Reagans & other former presidents on HMY Britannia, Pres. Ford dancing with HM at the White House, stuff like that.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:01 AM
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No, I don't imagine cost itself is a factor..what I meant was that the standard for State Visits is that the host pays the bulk of the cost of the event as opposed to "working visits."

All this talk of foreign royals visiting the UK has got me curious about whether reciprocity is observed, which is the case for Republican Heads of State. For instance did F&L extend an invitation to the Queen and the DoE to visit Spain? Considering the advanced age of the latter, can they extend the invitation to Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall? Or was this visit already in response to a previous visit by the Spanish?
Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall visited Spain in 2011. They stayed with Prince Felipe and Princess Letizia. However, they have not returned after their Coronation.
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Old 07-15-2017, 03:09 AM
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As I said before though (and was actually criticized by other posters for that), it is, however, their "humility" so to speak what actually attracts me about Philippe and Mathilde, far more so than Máxima for example, who would most definitely show up at Buckingham Palace covered in humungous jewelry (maybe the full Stuart parure !), but with a certain unpleasant "nouveau riche" feel to it (sorry, Duc ).
Funny, exactly seeing Letizia in that ultra-tight red dress, with the Gran Gruz del Orden de Isabel la Católica tucked in her bra, and with that huge thin scrolled and sparsely diamond-set diadem (therefore looking very much like a Miss Beauty Pageant tiara) made her look nouveaux-riche. Carrie Bradshaw meets Lizzie Windsor.

The only ladies who looked grand and gracious were the Duchess of Cornwall and the Princess Royal. Even Queen Elizabeth made sure she had her most unsophisticated and plonky-plonk aquamarine meccano construction set for the most prestigious royal guests.

No it was not what I expected. This Spanish State Visit was worth to see Queen Elizabeth packing out with her best diadem, the King George IV State Diadem for an example, like she did for De Gaulle. The King of Spain was worth the best and the most spectacular jewels. Now the Queen could equally have received the President of Cyprus jewelrywise.

Anyway. The State Visit has gone. New State Visits will come. But in my book there is nothing more spectacular than a State Visit between the UK and to Spain, for me the grandest monarchies. Emmanuel Macron provided impressive pomp and circumstance for the Trumps, and that was not even a State Visit at all.
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Old 07-15-2017, 03:35 AM
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It's pretty amazing that 2003 was the first ever, actually, considering the much trumpeted 'special relationship' between the US and UK throughout the 20th century. Also amazing is that the Kennedys never came on a State Visit, when you remember the well known visits to Paris and to Berlin.
2003 was the first to be called a state visit, but there were several big visits before that. I believe the dinner for Ronald Reagan at Windsor Castle was identical to a state dinner.
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Old 07-15-2017, 05:25 AM
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How great to see Harry at the Banquet! Finally, I'd say, remember how long it took us to see William and Kate attend state banquets.
Do we know who attended the Banquet? I do remember Kate's first (only other? not sure and going solo for that one) where she was seated at the Queen's table beside the Gueat of Honour.

This time round the Wales brothers are not so well positioned.
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Old 07-15-2017, 05:53 AM
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The top table is usually for the Queen, Philip, the guest and their spouse along with the second ranked from both countries so Charles and Camilla at the top table with whomever were the next ranked Spanish couple.

That is why William and Kate were pushed lower in the pecking order.
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Do we know who attended the Banquet?.
The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh gave a State Banquet this evening in honour of The King and Queen of Spain at which The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall, The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, Prince Henry of Wales, The Duke of York, The Earl and Countess of Wessex, The Princess Royal and Vice Admiral Sir Tim Laurence, The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, Princess Michael of Kent and The Lady Gabriella Windsor were present.

The following had the honour of being invited:

Suite of The King and Queen of Spain:

His Excellency Mr. Alfonso Dastis-Quecedo (Minister of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation) and Mrs. María Luisa Alonso-Horcada, His Excellency Mr. Jaime Alfonsín-Alfonso (Chief of the Royal Household), His Excellency Mr. Carlos Bastarreche-Sagües (Ambassador from the Kingdom of Spain to the Court of St. James's), His Excellency Mr. Jorge Moraga-Sánchez (Chief of the Cabinet of the President of the Government of Spain), His Excellency Mr. Jorge Toledo-Albiñana (Secretary of State for the European Union), His Excellency Mr. Carlos Espinosa del los Monteros y Bernaldo de Quirós , Marquis of Valtierra (High Commissioner of the Spanish Government for Marca España), Her Excellency Mrs. María Luisa Poncela-García (Secretary of State for Trade), Her Excellency Mrs. Carmen Vela-Olmo (Secretary of State for Research, Development and Innovation), His Excellency Vice Admiral Juan Ruiz-Casas (Head of the Military Chamber of the Royal Household), His Excellency Mr. Alfonso Sanz-Portolés (Diplomatic Counsellor, Royal Household of The King of Spain), His Excellency Mr. José Zuleta y Alejandro, Duke of Abrantes (Head of the Office of The Queen of Spain), Mr. Jordi Gutiérrez-Roldán (Director of Communications, Royal Household of The King of Spain) and Mr. Alfredo Martínez-Serrano (Chief of Protocol, Royal Household of The King of Spain).

Specially attached to The King and Queen of Spain:

The Lady Elton (Lady in Waiting), the Viscount Brookeborough (Lord in Waiting) and the Viscountess Brookeborough, Mr. Simon Manley (Her Majesty's Ambassador to the Kingdom of Spain) and Mrs. Manley and Wing Commander Sam Fletcher RAF (Equerry in Waiting).

Diplomatic Corps:

His Excellency the Ambassador of the State of Kuwait, His Excellency the Ambassador of Estonia and Mrs. Merli Bambus and His Excellency the High Commissioner for Malta and Mrs. Norman Hamilton.

The Cabinet and Government:

The Prime Minister and Mr. Philip May, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Mrs. Philip Hammond, the Secretary of State for the Home Department (the Rt. Hon. Amber Rudd MP), the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union (the Rt. Hon. David Davis MP), the Leader of the House of Lords (the Baroness Evans of Bowes Park) and Mr. James Wild, and the Rt. Hon. Sir Alan Duncan MP (Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Mr. James Dunseath.

Special Invitations:

Ms. Katya Adler and Mr. Alexei Kidel, Mrs. Esther Alcocer Koplowitz and Mr. Pablo Santos Tejedor, Mr. Ian Blackford MP, the Lord and Lady Brennan, Mrs. Ana Botín-Sanz de Sautuola y O'Shea and Mr. Guillermo Morenés Mariátegui, Mr. Rafael del Pino Calvo-Sotelo, the Archbishop of Canterbury and Mrs. Justin Welby, Mr. and Mrs. Mark Carney, the Lord Great Chamberlain and the Marchioness of Cholmondeley, Ms. Cressida Dick, Mr. and Mrs. Warren East, Sir John and Lady Elliott, the Lord and Lady Falconer of Thoroton, Mr. Timothy Farron MP and Mrs. Farron, Dr. and Mrs. Gabriele Finaldi, the Lord Speaker and the Lady Fowler, the Lord and Lady Garel-Jones, Mrs. Miriam González Durántez and the Rt. Hon. Nicholas Clegg, the Lord and Lady Leitch, the Rt. Hon. the Lord Mayor of London and the Lady Mayoress, Sir Simon and the Hon. Lady McDonald, General Sir Gordon and Lady Messenger, the Lord and Lady Neuberger of Abbotsbury, Sir Paul and Lady Nurse, Mr. and Mrs. Kenneth Olisa, Mr. Josep Oliu and Ms. Victoria Quintana, Dr. Charles Powell and Dr. Sylvia Fernández-Shaw, Sir Michael and Lady Rake, Mr. Francisco Jose Riberas Mera and Ms. Lucía Burgos, Mr. Ignacio Sánchez Galán and Ms. María Isabel García-Tabernero, the Baroness Smith of Basildon and Mr. Nigel Smith, the Rt. Hon. Emily Thorberry MP and the Hon. Mr. Justice Nugee, Ms. Monica Vinader and Mr. Nick Zoll and the Duke and Duchess of Wellington.

Members of the accompanying Spanish Delegation:

His Excellency Mr. Francisco Javier Garzón-Morales, His Excellency Mr. Juan Sunyé-Mendía, Mr. Juan López-Herrera Sánchez, Mrs. Cristina Serrano-Leal, Mrs. Ana María Rodríguez-Pérez, Mr. Ricardo Rodríguez-Martinez, Mr. José María Fernández López de Turiso, Mr. José Riera-Siquier, Mr. Miguel Utray-Delgado, Mr. Juan Rosell-Lastortras and Mrs. Esther Trallero, Mr. José Luis Bonet-Ferrer and Mrs. Pilar Pastor-Nietro, Mr. Pablo Isla Álvarez-Pallete, Mr. Antonio Vázquez-Romero, Mr. José María de Areilza y Carvajal, Count of Roda and Mrs. María Salgado-Madriñán, Countess of Roda and Ms. María Ángeles Alcázar Modrego.
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Old 07-15-2017, 06:17 AM
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The top table is usually for the Queen, Philip, the guest and their spouse along with the second ranked from both countries so Charles and Camilla at the top table with whomever were the next ranked Spanish couple.

That is why William and Kate were pushed lower in the pecking order.
OK, thanks, so for Kate's first, she as William's wife was the next in line, neither Charles, Camilla or William being available.

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Old 07-15-2017, 06:32 AM
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OK, thanks, so for Kate's first, she as William's wife was the next in line, neither Charles, Camilla or William being available.
Available for what? AFAIK William attended the State Banquet for the Chinese President in 2015, which marked the Cambridges' first attendance at a State Banquet. Charles and Camilla weren't there though.

http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/thequee...m-palace-55299
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Old 07-15-2017, 06:45 AM
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I think TM did a splendid job representing their country in the country!!
Bravo!!
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:29 AM
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OK, thanks, so for Kate's first, she as William's wife was the next in line, neither Charles, Camilla or William being available.
William was there also. Just not Charles or Camilla.


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I have a question that someone might be actually able to answer.

At the King's visit to the Royal Gallery of the Palace of Westminster, the Lord Speaker mentioned a painting on the wall showing Britain and Spain in conflict with each other. I suppose he was referring to the painting of Nelson at the Battle of Trafalga, where the British navy faced the combined navies of Spain and Napoleonic France. Next, however, the Lord Speaker mentioned another painting, which, according to him, depicted the Peninsular War, when Wellington defeated the French in Spain and Portugal. As far as I know though, the painting on the wall of the Royal Gallery that hangs opposite the Trafalgar picture actually shows Wellington meeting Blücher after the Battle of Waterloo, rather than showing any scene from the Peninsular War. Might the Lord Speaker have been mentioning a painting in another room, or did I get something wrong ?

BTW, it was great that the current Duke of Wellington was present at the King's speech, in his condition as a hereditary peer who was elected in 2015 to take a seat in the House of Lords under the terms of the House of Lords Act 1999. Was His Grace also present at the state dinner at Buckingham Palace ?
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According to the CC entry in #791 above he and the Duchess were present - last entry in the list under Special Invitations.

Entries such as this one in the CC are issued after every State Banquet (even if the online CC doesn't think the event important enough to mention - although it did this time but others from this year are still missing e.g. Trooping the Colour) with a full list of everyone who attended.
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:58 AM
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Yes The Duke of Wellington attended the State Banquet.

He is also the 10th Duque de Ciudad Rodrigo Grandee of Spain 1st Class
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Funny, exactly seeing Letizia in that ultra-tight red dress, with the Gran Gruz del Orden de Isabel la Católica tucked in her bra, and with that huge thin scrolled and sparsely diamond-set diadem (therefore looking very much like a Miss Beauty Pageant tiara) made her look nouveaux-riche. Carrie Bradshaw meets Lizzie Windsor.

The only ladies who looked grand and gracious were the Duchess of Cornwall and the Princess Royal. Even Queen Elizabeth made sure she had her most unsophisticated and plonky-plonk aquamarine meccano construction set for the most prestigious royal guests.

No it was not what I expected. This Spanish State Visit was worth to see Queen Elizabeth packing out with her best diadem, the King George IV State Diadem for an example, like she did for De Gaulle. The King of Spain was worth the best and the most spectacular jewels. Now the Queen could equally have received the President of Cyprus jewelrywise.

Anyway. The State Visit has gone. New State Visits will come. But in my book there is nothing more spectacular than a State Visit between the UK and to Spain, for me the grandest monarchies. Emmanuel Macron provided impressive pomp and circumstance for the Trumps, and that was not even a State Visit at all.
What a weird way of perception! This was one of the most wonderful and at the same time happiest of state visits since a long time!
The Queen of Spain represented her country with a great charm and dignity! I think she´ s the most beautiful Queen, having overturned Queen Rania by now, there is, which is no disadvantage. Everyone I talked to about her appearance has been absolutely breathtaken!
As one could very clearly see when the spanish royal couple left Buckingham Palace to leave for Oxford, the Queen and Prince Philip have been grown very fond of both of them.

When it comes to your remarks about the Windsors making no difference between royal and republican state visit I can only say, yes, there mustn´t be any differences regarding the procedures and protocol of a state visit between presidents and Royals! Every head of state has the right to be received by the Queen of Britain with exactly the same standards! Anything else would be a diplomatic embarressment. And why should a 91 year old lady wear a pretty heavy diadem, comparing to tiaras, which she hasn´t done so for over half a century at a state visit, only because this is the King of Spain?! Why then not wearing it for the danish, norwegian or dutch royal couples? Why not wear it for the US president?!
Well, Queen Letizia wore the most prestigious and best tiara of the Bourbons - but that doesn´t satisfy you either....

The Trump visit to France was just as grand?! I haven´t seen the 2 men in a horse drawn carriage procession, Trump didn´t receive gun salutes or a lavish white tie banquet at Versailles or the Elysée Palace....
Sometimes I really wonder if you are living on the same planet like the rest of us.... Wake up! This is the 21st century and we, who love to see these kind of traditions and ceremonies, should be happy that something like this has survived at all!
Reading some of your posts I always use to think of an interview of the younger brother of Prcss Gloria of Thurn and Taxis, as he said "There is nobody so snobbish like the average common public!" I think that rounds it all up perfectly.
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What a weird way of perception! This was one of the most wonderful and at the same time happiest of state visits since a long time!
The Queen of Spain represented her country with a great charm and dignity! I think she´ s the most beautiful Queen, having overturned Queen Rania by now, there is, which is no disadvantage. Everyone I talked to about her appearance has been absolutely breathtaken!
As one could very clearly see when the spanish royal couple left Buckingham Palace to leave for Oxford, the Queen and Prince Philip have been grown very fond of both of them.

When it comes to your remarks about the Windsors making no difference between royal and republican state visit I can only say, yes, there mustn´t be any differences regarding the procedures and protocol of a state visit between presidents and Royals! Every head of state has the right to be received by the Queen of Britain with exactly the same standards! Anything else would be a diplomatic embarressment. And why should a 91 year old lady wear a pretty heavy diadem, comparing to tiaras, which she hasn´t done so for over half a century at a state visit, only because this is the King of Spain?! Why then not wearing it for the danish, norwegian or dutch royal couples? Why not wear it for the US president?!
Well, Queen Letizia wore the most prestigious and best tiara of the Bourbons - but that doesn´t satisfy you either....

The Trump visit to France was just as grand?! I haven´t seen the 2 men in a horse drawn carriage procession, Trump didn´t receive gun salutes or a lavish white tie banquet at Versailles or the Elysée Palace....
Sometimes I really wonder if you are living on the same planet like the rest of us.... Wake up! This is the 21st century and we, who love to see these kind of traditions and ceremonies, should be happy that something like this has survived at all!
Reading some of your posts I always use to think of an interview of the younger brother of Prcss Gloria of Thurn and Taxis, as he said "There is nobody so snobbish like the average common public!" I think that rounds it all up perfectly.

I must say Duc has a point that the modern aquamarine tiara is not what most people expected the Queen to wear at a Spanish state visit when she has so many other historical family heirlooms she could have worn instead (besides, I agree the tiara is ugly IMHO). However, QEII has been wearing those modern tiaras (the aquamarine, the ruby and the sapphire) quite often lately and, who knows, maybe she feels more comfortable wearing one of those than the older tiaras. I think that, at the age of 91, she is entitled to make those choices and no one should complain about it.
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