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Old 07-08-2017, 04:51 PM
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While I understand that QEII is too old to do further events with the Kings, its strange that Charles or at least William are not on duty for the separate events but Harry, Andrew and Anne.
Maybe it is a sign that the era of the "slimmed-down monarchy" is not quite here yet.

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Collar of Carlos III Order is only for Heads of State, members of the Spanish Royal Family or Spaniards who have previously had the Great Cross for certain years. So the Prince of Wales can not receive it.
Yes, you are right as indicated in the text of the Royal Decree below.

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Real Decreto 1051/2002, de 11 de octubre, por el que se aprueba el Reglamento de la Real y Distinguida Orden Española de Carlos III.

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Artículo 5. Grados de la Orden.

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2. La concesión del Collar podrá recaer en los miembros de la Familia Real, los Jefes de Estado y de Gobierno y en aquellos ciudadanos españoles que estén en posesión de la Gran Cruz con más de tres años de antigüedad.
I believe there is a possible loophole in Art.5(7) below, but it would be highly unlikely. Besides, it would require approval of the Spanish government as that is a a civil award.

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7. No obstante, el Gran Maestre, a propuesta del Gran Canciller, podrá eximir del cumplimiento de algunas de las condiciones, cuando existan situaciones excepcionales que así lo aconsejen.


What order could Charles get then above what he already has today (grand cross of Carlos III) ? I suppose the Golden Fleece would be the only one left, as, if I understand it correctly, it is a personal gift of the monarch (like the Garter in the UK), but I don't think Felipe would consider it. What do you think ?
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:18 PM
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While I understand that QEII is too old to do further events with the Kings, its strange that Charles or at least William are not on duty for the separate events but Harry, Andrew and Anne.
The King and Queen are meeting with Charles and Camilla at Clarence House.

Normally it is the Duke and Duchess of Glos that attended at Guildhall but this time it is the higher ranking Princess Royal that is attending.

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As William has royal engagements on 11 and 13th July; plus Catherine has an event on the 13th, I think the odds of them being at the banquet are high.
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:49 PM
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Well, all the reporting is that the Cambridge's are likely to attend the evening State Banquet. It's all a wait and see. Which annoys me, because it's just better for palace to announce in the list of engagements of which of the senior royals will be in attendance of the State Baquets ahead of time, not the day of.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:33 PM
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On a side note i see that the Spanish royals will stay at a Hotel, not at Buckingham palace or even at the Spanish Embassy.
Also, no more return event to thank the British hosts ...
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:00 PM
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On a side note i see that the Spanish royals will stay at a Hotel, not at Buckingham palace or even at the Spanish Embassy.
Also, no more return event to thank the British hosts ...
The return Banquets are very rare. I think the last return Banquet was when the Obama's hosted one for The Queen and Prince Philip and many other invited guest.

The King and Queen will arrive the day before the State Visit, so that's why they are staying in a hotel for the first night. I think they're due to stay at Buckingham Palace after the welcoming ceremony.
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:43 PM
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On a side note i see that the Spanish royals will stay at a Hotel, not at Buckingham palace or even at the Spanish Embassy.
Also, no more return event to thank the British hosts ...
I read that differently. IT is often the case that the incoming HoS arrives the day/evening before and stays in a hotel/embassy for that evening. They are then met on the 1st official day of the Visit and are formally greeted by the Queen and taken to BP

I think they are staying at BP.
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:59 PM
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The return Banquets are very rare. I think the last return Banquet was when the Obama's hosted one for The Queen and Prince Philip and many other invited guest.
I believe there was a return event when King Juan Carlos visited the UK in 1986 and, if I'm not mistaken, it was actually a white tie dinner.
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Old 07-09-2017, 12:24 AM
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While I understand that QEII is too old to do further events with the Kings, its strange that Charles or at least William are not on duty for the separate events but Harry, Andrew and Anne.

Even when the Queen was younger she used the entire extended family to do these events and not the senior royals.

She has only ever greeted them and the State Banquet and a return Banquet at the Embassy - if one was held.

Charles has usually done the same thing - hosted them at his home and again the greeting and State Banquets.

Andrew, Anne, Edward, Richard and the Kent's have done the escorting duties depending on the place to be visited and the interests of the royals e.g. when it is the Danes then the Gloucester's are called into service, but it it has been technology then Andrew or music then Alexandra.

A State Visit a few years ago didn't have anyone other than Edward and Sophie attend and no banquet but a State Lunch.
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Old 07-09-2017, 04:42 AM
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Mbruno, it would be strange that the Prince of Gales exceptionally received the collar of the Order of Carlos III, when Queen Letizia has not yet received it.
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Old 07-09-2017, 12:04 PM
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This a long article about several royals - I just posted the spanish part.

I've noticed it for a while, but now it's official, the Telegraph has almost become as unserious/ridiculous as the DF: Meet the party-loving Euro royals from Spain and Greece coming to Britain this summer
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When the King of Spain makes his state visit to Britain this week, much will be made of the fact it’s the first Royal Spanish tour in over 30 years. The last time was in 1986, before Lionel Messi had even been born, when patatas bravas were still a strange foreign delicacy.

But it will hardly be King Felipe and Queen Letizia’s first exposure to British society. Only last weekend, the handsome couple were entertained royally at a lavish joint birthday in the Cotswolds.

Felipe, 49, and Letizia, 44, were among a bevvy of good-looking Euros who helicoptered into the Sunday night extravaganza laid on by Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece to celebrate his 50th and his daughter Princess Olympia’s 21st.
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In private, King Felipe VI loves all things British. He and his father King Juan Carlos – who abdicated in 2014 to make way for his son – are particularly fond of Harris Tweed, which their tailor in Madrid, Jaime Gallo, orders in vast quantities to make the Royal suits. In public, though, they’re not afraid to stir up a few hornets nests, especially when it comes to Gibraltar.

Only last year, the King used a speech at the UN to demand we give the Rock back to Spain, and his father spent much of his reign banging on about it, too. So much so that Juan Carlos refused to attend the wedding of Charles and Diana in 1981, after learning their honeymoon cruise would begin at Gibraltar.

Foreign Office mandarins are hoping Felipe’s youthful and dynamic outlook may help heal old wounds, though it may just be safer for everyone this week if no-one mentions Spain’s G-spot?
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Queen Letizia is Spain’s Kate Middleton equivalent, in that she is the first ‘commoner Queen’. But in most other ways she is quite different, having had a job and a husband before marrying King Felipe. She would have had even less in common with Princess Di, being an all-out journalist, who has reported on everything from 9/11 to the Iraq war.

Her entry into Royal life came relatively late in life, in 2003, when her engagement to the then Prince Felipe was announced (she was 31). Not only had she worked as a news anchor for a main TV network but she had also been married before, to Alonso Perez, a writer and teacher.

None of that mattered to the forward-looking Felipe, who saw a clever beautiful woman and snapped her up. He installed her in the Zarzuela Palace and married her a year later in the Cathedral Santa Maria La Real of Madrid. The couple have two daughters and have helped bring some much-needed modernity and spark to the fading house of Bourbon.
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Old 07-09-2017, 01:05 PM
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This a long article about several royals - I just posted the spanish part.

I've noticed it for a while, but now it's official, the Telegraph has almost become as unserious/ridiculous as the DF: Meet the party-loving Euro royals from Spain and Greece coming to Britain this summer
I actually share the opinion that neither King Felipe VI of Spain nor Queen Máxima of the Netherlands should have attended Pavlos' party as the setting was not appropriate for a reigning monarch or a queen consort. Having said that, Pavlos is Felipe's first cousin and I believe they were even roommates when they were both studying at Georgetown University in the United States. One must assume then that Felipe and Pavlos are very close and it is understandable that Felipe would like to be present at his cousin's birthday party. At least Felipe was wise enough not to let anyone take a picture of him in funny clothes, unlike Máxima for example, who looked very silly.

PS: According to another thread on Infanta Cristina's forum, Letizia didn't actually accompany Felipe to the party, which seems to contradict the DT's report, but I don't know which version of the story is accurate.
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Old 07-09-2017, 01:42 PM
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Sorry but I have no issues with family attending a relatives birthday party. Quite a big birthday as well. It was fancy dress, quite clearly so the outfit fits the theme. Just have one look at Beatrices' 21st or 18th? In Windsor castle, think it was Marie Antoinette themed. No difference to me.
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Old 07-09-2017, 03:03 PM
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Even when the Queen was younger she used the entire extended family to do these events and not the senior royals.

She has only ever greeted them and the State Banquet and a return Banquet at the Embassy - if one was held.

Charles has usually done the same thing - hosted them at his home and again the greeting and State Banquets.

Andrew, Anne, Edward, Richard and the Kent's have done the escorting duties depending on the place to be visited and the interests of the royals e.g. when it is the Danes then the Gloucester's are called into service, but it it has been technology then Andrew or music then Alexandra.

A State Visit a few years ago didn't have anyone other than Edward and Sophie attend and no banquet but a State Lunch.
I think it's good that other family members escort the visiting leaders and attend events with them. As you said, the Queen will often send a member who has interests in the event the visiting leader is attending. Sophie recently went with the Mexican First Lady to a nursery as Sophie is connected to many children's charities and patronages.

I am sure we will see the Cambridge's at the State Banquet, although we will only have photos of them arriving and a few from inside. I will also be interested to see if Catherine has an order yet, but that is another topic altogether.
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:40 AM
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As the Cambridge's move into a mainstream royal role, I would quite like to see them take on the role of the lead royal at the Guildhall banquet for oncoming state visits.

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I think it's good that other family members escort the visiting leaders and attend events with them. As you said, the Queen will often send a member who has interests in the event the visiting leader is attending. Sophie recently went with the Mexican First Lady to a nursery as Sophie is connected to many children's charities and patronages.

I am sure we will see the Cambridge's at the State Banquet, although we will only have photos of them arriving and a few from inside. I will also be interested to see if Catherine has an order yet, but that is another topic altogether.
I can't wait for the conversation about Catherine's orders or lack thereof at the state banquet!
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:45 AM
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I can't wait for the conversation about Catherine's orders or lack thereof at the state banquet!
Oh i really don't know what you're talking about !
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:53 AM
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I can't wait for the conversation about Catherine's orders or lack thereof at the state banquet!


Always a fun conversation!
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I can't wait for the conversation about Catherine's orders or lack thereof at the state banquet!
Oh, I Can't wait for it either! It's almost so I hope the Queen gives her that damn RFO.
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As the Cambridge's move into a mainstream royal role, I would quite like to see them take on the role of the lead royal at the Guildhall banquet for oncoming state visits.
I really don't expect the Cambridges to step into any kind of a lead role for anything much until Charles becomes King and William is the heir apparent. As a couple now, their still pretty much the third string after the Queen and the DoE and then Charles and Camilla.

I do expect them to attend and participate in state visits more often now that they're committed to being full time working royals though.

As for the orders. To me, the one for Kate that matters would be "Could I have more ice water please?". All kidding aside, if she doesn't wear an order or she does, we'll never know the reasonings behind any of it as that is not something that is made public.
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I really do try not to think about any orders for Catherine and that she attends events where it should be worn. I think it's totally beyond ridiculous she don't have anything yet.

I'll just be happy she and William are at the banquet.
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I think we have to wait which royal members will receive an royal order and who not. Honestly i dont think W&C will receive an order, as much i remember also Princess Diana received no Order during the spanish state visit in 1986.

Does someone know BBC will broadcast any event of the state visit?.
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