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Old 10-31-2007, 12:07 PM
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well perhaps I did not google enough.

Wonder if royals meet his wife (wives) when they visit SA, and are guests behind closed doors.

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Interesting infromation although I don't think Wikipedia is a good resource for true infromation , personally I know that Tadi not tardi Al-Jorba is his first wife and she is from arabian tribe which is also the same tribe that his mother from.
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Old 10-31-2007, 12:19 PM
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This is precisely why I was waiting forward to that visit so much - orders!
It's wonderful Camilla has received the Royal Family Order! She deserves the yellow ribbon .

Poor Richard Kay, I don't envy him.
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Old 10-31-2007, 01:09 PM
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This is precisely why I was waiting forward to that visit so much - orders!
It's wonderful Camilla has received the Royal Family Order! She deserves the yellow ribbon .

Poor Richard Kay, I don't envy him.

Avalon...just curious...what is going on with Richard Kay? Was an article posted here that I missed or is something else going on?
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Old 10-31-2007, 01:23 PM
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Has anyone seen a full length picture of Princess Michael. I saw a glimpse of her dress, and would love to see the rest of it.

Also, any pictures of Sophie?
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Old 10-31-2007, 01:45 PM
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Also, any pictures of Sophie?
She wasn't there. Guest list can be seen here: Court Circular
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:08 PM
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I agree with you about the color of his beard and moustache it is look like what my father moustache look after coloring it, it is not good at all.
Houri, I know just what you mean, and thanks for the funny quote about it. It was Alan Hamilton in the Times, right? He made that comment I think, but don't remember for sure. Anyway, I never even thought about his moustache before until I read that, and I thought it was so funny. I never even thought about someone dying their moustache! Makes one wonder if he would bother dying the rest of his hair, but of course who can tell with it all covered?

Guys, I think overall this visit was a GOOD THING! I have done some thinking about it, serious thinking, and my strong feeling is that it shows everyone in a good light. Most of all, it shows what a FABULOUS diplomat The Queen is. She is one of a kind and makes it look so easy. It is not easy, but maybe it's easy for her now after all these years, to be so perfectly diplomatic in the face of all this nervousness and controversy! She is such an amazing model of diplomacy. She just amazes me all the time. God Save The Queen!
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:57 PM
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It is not how they treat their criminals. And your railing about how your country deals with terrorism, which gets large amounts of funds through Saudi Arabia, seems a dichotomy.
Errr, the terrorists I was talking about, if you read my post, are the ones that prowl the streets of Britain, mugging innocent people, shoplifting, shooting young boys, knifeing or kicking to death anyone who challenges them! No funds for policing our streets or dealing with international terrorists comes through SA, as far as I know.
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:09 PM
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Most of all, it shows what a FABULOUS diplomat The Queen is. She is one of a kind and makes it look so easy. It is not easy, but maybe it's easy for her now after all these years, to be so perfectly diplomatic in the face of all this nervousness and controversy! She is such an amazing model of diplomacy. She just amazes me all the time. God Save The Queen!
I don't really see any reason for her to struggle with welcoming HM. There was more controversy over the US president coming over.

As I said, who are we to be constantly interfering in how other countries run their lives. I find it amusing that some of the people complaining about the UK's colonial past in another thread, are the same people saying we should shun the SA King until he changes the way he runs his country, the way they want him to!

This is a superb visit and I am happy to welcome him, dyed hair or not.
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Unfortunately, crime exists everywhere. Yes, you should have better protection. The people who blow up your Underground or buses, I suspect, should upset you ,too.
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:30 PM
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I don't really see any reason for her to struggle with welcoming HM. There was more controversy over the US president coming over.
I think there are personal reasons that The Queen and The King might enjoy each other's company, and you can see they shared some funny words at a couple of moments (at least) in the ceremonies of yesterday. Please do not compare this to the US President. I feel you are picking on me, Sky. I am a US citizen, yes, but I never voted for Bush (not the first time, not the second) and I never liked him. I would hate to have him visit my country as much as I hate having him "in charge" of my country. That aside, I don't think you can compare everything. Bush is one thing. This event is another thing.
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As I said, who are we to be constantly interfering in how other countries run their lives. I find it amusing that some of the people complaining about the UK's colonial past in another thread, are the same people saying we should shun the SA King until he changes the way he runs his country, the way they want him to!

This is a superb visit and I am happy to welcome him, dyed hair or not.
I don't have any problem with diplomatic visits and with heads of state paying courtesy to each other. This is how things are done, how they have been done since.... well, since there have been civilizations of any kind.
I did have a feeling that The Prince of Wales was uneasy, and I suppose maybe he worried about it looked, with his Global Citizen Award and the others like it, meeting this oil capital king. I don't know. Maybe I had the mistaken impression, but I think this must have been discussed to some extent between him and his aides. But as I said, I think this event was well-handled by everyone. It was a model for how the kind of thing is appropriately done. I also don't mind about dyed hair (why would I?) but still think it's funny about the moustache!
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:40 PM
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Camilla was looking Fab yesterday at the banquet the Tiara was excellent on her.And HM Queen she was great as always

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Old 10-31-2007, 04:55 PM
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Please do not compare this to the US President. I feel you are picking on me, Sky. I am a US citizen, yes, but I never voted for Bush (not the first time, not the second) and I never liked him. I would hate to have him visit my country as much as I hate having him "in charge" of my country. That aside, I don't think you can compare everything. Bush is one thing. This event is another thing.
Oh CasiraghiTrio, I did not mean to pick on you or the US. Contrary to popular belief, I like the US. I was only trying to point out that whoever visits, there is always someone demonstrating against them and that by comparrison this could only be seen as a minor demo!
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I did have a feeling that The Prince of Wales was uneasy, and I suppose maybe he worried about it looked, with his Global Citizen Award and the others like it, meeting this oil capital king. I don't know. Maybe I had the mistaken impression,
Now you know what a little tinker Charles can be, if he had a problem with the visit, he would unfortunately have had a prior engagement, as he did with the Chinese visit.
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Avalon...just curious...what is going on with Richard Kay? Was an article posted here that I missed or is something else going on?
Richard Kay is a Daily Mail journalist who used to have Diana's confidence so she'd feed him snippets of news to print during the time she was engaged in the Wars of the Waleses with Charles. He doesn't seem to be able to bring himself to print anything favourable about Camilla - a week or so ago he said something in an article about Camilla having taken Diana's HRH. The sight of Camilla wearing the Family Order must have really upset him.
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From all the interviews I saw for the king and the opinions of the people who met the king I don't think any one include the Queen would not enjoy his company over the dinner, in fact it is known that he is the most favorite member of the royal family to saudis, and even if I don't like the fact the he colors his beard in back he still looks good for his age.
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Oh CasiraghiTrio, I did not mean to pick on you or the US. Contrary to popular belief, I like the US. I was only trying to point out that whoever visits, there is always someone demonstrating against them and that by comparrison this could only be seen as a minor demo!
Now you know what a little tinker Charles can be, if he had a problem with the visit, he would unfortunately have had a prior engagement, as he did with the Chinese visit.
The Chinese don't give ruby necklaces. Also, they don't control oil, which is a lifeline. Charles is a smart man. I don't believe he had a choice.
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I agree with you, Countess. I think Prince Charles did not have a choice. He had to be there for this event entirely and in a prominent way because the people in power wanted to be sure the Saudi king had the highest reception. Any lesser royal than Charles would have been.... seen as possibly insulting to the King.
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:36 PM
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The Chinese don't give ruby necklaces. Also, they don't control oil, which is a lifeline. Charles is a smart man. I don't believe he had a choice.
At the same time, Prince Charles should keep in mind that China is one of the world's power-players with long memory...
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Just one question which just occured to me, Did His Majesty have on any Orders and Decorations, it so hard to tell with that outfit he had on (for want of a better word).

Also it was interesting that The Queen referred to him as King Abdullah, Custodian of the two Holy Mosques, very formal, and unusual, she normally just says Your Majesty. Its a bit like him getting up and saying Queen Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other realms and territories Queen, Head of The Commonwealth, Defender of The Faith. Now that would be a mouthful, but your get my idea
"Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques is the Saudi equivalent of "His Majesty." The King dislikes the latter term as "only God is all majestic."
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"Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques is the Saudi equivalent of "His Majesty." The King dislikes the latter term as "only God is all majestic."
I don't know about consider it as a crime but if you translate the English term ( His Majesty ) to arabic it will be equivalent to the arabic term "Jalalteh" which we as a Muslims use it with the name of Allah so I don't think that the king like to be equal to the God.
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The West's friendship with Saudia Arabia didn't get controversial until they tried Saddam Hussein on human rights crimes. War makes strange bedfellows and even stranger rationalizations sometimes.

The Queen is a head of state so she has pledged to support the government's public relations efforts with its allies. She has probably been to several state affairs where she is wondering 'What the hell am I doing here?' and then had to remind herself, 'Because we're the Queen!'
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