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Old 06-17-2019, 05:21 AM
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Fascinating how the rules are different for Meghan. I can’t imagine why...
Not quite.

This is a conversation that has been had many a time, and I don't particularly want to repeat it but will try and keep it as brief as possible. The problem is that unlike Sophie, Catherine and Camilla, Meghan's working wardrobe has largely been foreign designer brands, with the odd piece by a British fashion house thrown in ever so often. That obviously does not go down well. There are no differing standards, just facts. And whilst we are at it, Canadian and other Commonwealth brands are just as foreign as Givenchy, Dior and Prada as the British economy is concerned.
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Old 06-17-2019, 06:41 AM
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Not quite.

This is a conversation that has been had many a time, and I don't particularly want to repeat it but will try and keep it as brief as possible. The problem is that unlike Sophie, Catherine and Camilla, Meghan's working wardrobe has largely been foreign designer brands, with the odd piece by a British fashion house thrown in ever so often. That obviously does not go down well. There are no differing standards, just facts. And whilst we are at it, Canadian and other Commonwealth brands are just as foreign as Givenchy, Dior and Prada as the British economy is concerned.
In general I feel like the 'British fashion house' theme is just an excuse to complain about Meghan. The same with being dismissive of the Commonwealth, which is clearly very important to the Queen and it plays a pivotal part in Harry/Meghan's role in the BRF. The British economy is not going to thrive in a silo, especially with Brexit lingering out there. There needs to be relationships built and sustained with other countries isnít that one of the reasons they had Harry and 7.5 month pregnant Meghan touring to Mocorrco and Charles/Camilla doing the Caribbean tour? Yes fashion is just a small piece of the overall economy but it is something that can be used to increase the UK on a global scale. Not to mention some of the British designers were mouthing off about Meghan and her wedding dress that doesnít exactly build a strong relationship with someone who can expand your brand.

I also like that Meghanís casual fashion usually has a meaning behind it. Jeans that support women who were trafficked, items made from recycled materials etc. Not to mention she is more willing to take risks with her fashion something that seems to be lacking with many British fashion houses of late; if we use Catherine/Sophie/Camillaís styles as examples; which sometimes can be very boring.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:23 AM
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Not quite.

This is a conversation that has been had many a time, and I don't particularly want to repeat it but will try and keep it as brief as possible. The problem is that unlike Sophie, Catherine and Camilla, Meghan's working wardrobe has largely been foreign designer brands, with the odd piece by a British fashion house thrown in ever so often. That obviously does not go down well. There are no differing standards, just facts. And whilst we are at it, Canadian and other Commonwealth brands are just as foreign as Givenchy, Dior and Prada as the British economy is concerned.
I’m not sure this is about the fashion brands, Meghan, is wearing. I believe this is about the media wanting to “other” Meghan. Some can’t get over the fact that she’s American and a former Hollywood actress. They can’t bring their heads around that, so they want her to dull herself down and her wardrobe to make herself acceptable in their eyes. They want to change her. Turn her into a pill they’re willing to swallow.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:37 AM
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Iím not sure this is about the fashion brands, Meghan, is wearing. I believe this is about the media wanting to ďotherĒ Meghan. Some canít get over the fact that sheís American and a former Hollywood actress. They canít bring their heads around that, so they want her to dull herself down and her wardrobe to make herself acceptable in their eyes. They want to change her.
Even if one were to accept that the Press were gunning for Meghan for being American, a former actress, a divorcee, a person of colour and any other label that could potentially be attached, the fact is that supporting British business interests is a very core part of what the BRF do, and the ladies of the the BRF do by appearing in clothing by British businesses. Meghan's unwillingness to wear British most of the time is an easy point for the press (and public, to the extent they care) to criticise her, and she can very easily take that away from them.

Going back to the Jennie Bond article where this conversation started yesterday, but wearing a nearly £100,000 gown (as was widely reported at the time) by a foreign fashion house once whilst on an official visit to a foreign country or a £50,000 gown for an engagement fashion shoot is hardly the sort of thing that is likely to endear her to the great British public, IMO.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:50 AM
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Even if one were to accept that the Press were gunning for Meghan for being American, a former actress, a divorcee, a person of colour and any other label that could potentially be attached, the fact is that supporting British business interests is a very core part of what the BRF do, and the ladies of the the BRF do by appearing in clothing by British businesses. Meghan's unwillingness to wear British most of the time is an easy point for the press (and public, to the extent they care) to criticise her, and she can very easily take that away from them.

Going back to the Jennie Bond article where this conversation started yesterday, but wearing a nearly £100,000 gown (as was widely reported at the time) by a foreign fashion house once whilst on an official visit to a foreign country or a £50,000 gown for an engagement fashion shoot is hardly the sort of thing that is likely to endear her to the great British public, IMO.
Meghan can show up somewhere wearing the Union Jack and she’ll still not be the pill some folks are willing to swallow. It’s as Royal Biographer, Ingrid Seward, said most recently, that some would’ve preferred Harry had married an English Rose.

She’s being punished for who she is. She can’t change that nor should she. Some folks just have to learn to accept, Meghan, for being, Meghan.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:00 AM
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Kate and Sophie have run up a clothing tab themselvyes and they are not 100% British brands. Unless they are part of this conversation Jennie Bond can go somewhere and sit down when it comes to Meghan.

DM has a new hit piece on Meghan, claiming Philip told Harry not to marry Meghan because she's an actress

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...arry-them.html

Allegedly Phillip had a string of hookups with women of the entertainment industry on the queen's watch. Some say Harry and William should have marry from the aristocracy. At the end of the day the queen has the final say by law who the first to the sixth in line to the throne marries.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:05 AM
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Muriel is right. The British public will be much more supportive of any BRF member who buys British so the more they do it, the more plaudits they receive. Similarly, when visiting a Commonwealth Realm country, BRF members have praise heaped upon them when they buy or wear local products. We and they are the people that our Queen reigns over. She is our monarch & we appreciate her working family supporting our economies. We are not the media so please don't assume that they speak for us at all times. The vast majority of us are not bigots or jingoistic so we have no problem with our working BRF wearing foreign brands sometimes but we expect the balance to be weighted towards British brands, which isn't unreasonable.

Meghan has plenty of time ahead of her to get this right & I sincerely hope she does because she's already showing how influential she can be & it's to her credit that she seeks out vintage items & small British companies to support (eg the handbag & jeans). If she does more of that & reduces the new pieces by houses like Givenchy, she'll be on the right track & Brits will praise her for it.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:27 AM
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Muriel is right. The British public will be much more supportive of any BRF member who buys British so the more they do it, the more plaudits they receive. Similarly, when visiting a Commonwealth Realm country, BRF members have praise heaped upon them when they buy or wear local products. We and they are the people that our Queen reigns over. She is our monarch & we appreciate her working family supporting our economies. We are not the media so please don't assume that they speak for us at all times. The vast majority of us are not bigots or jingoistic so we have no problem with our working BRF wearing foreign brands sometimes but we expect the balance to be weighted towards British brands, which isn't unreasonable.

Meghan has plenty of time ahead of her to get this right & I sincerely hope she does because she's already showing how influential she can be & it's to her credit that she seeks out vintage items & small British companies to support (eg the handbag & jeans). If she does more of that & reduces the new pieces by houses like Givenchy, she'll be on the right track & Brits will praise her for it.
From the mass crowds that greet, Meghan, whenever sheís out and about with them...they accept her. Itís part of the British press and some folks online that donít accept her.
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:35 AM
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From the mass crowds that greet, Meghan, whenever sheís out and about with them...they accept her. Itís part of the British press and some folks online that donít accept her.
Yes I think she's popular here but she opens herself to becoming less popular if she doesn't get the balance right with the clothes purchases. It's such a simple thing to do in order to show she supports British brands. All those people out there greeting & waving don't have BRF wealth. They rely on our economy doing well & Meghan can easily show she understands this & fly the flag for Britain more, which is what we expect our royal ambassadors to do. She's not a celebrity, she's a working royal and supporting British industry & the economy is part of her job now.
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:48 AM
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Yes I think she's popular here but she opens herself to becoming less popular if she doesn't get the balance right with the clothes purchases. It's such a simple thing to do in order to show she supports British brands. All those people out there greeting & waving don't have BRF wealth. They rely on our economy doing well & Meghan can easily show she understands this & fly the flag for Britain more, which is what we expect our royal ambassadors to do. She's not a celebrity, she's a working royal and supporting British industry & the economy is part of her job now.
I’m sure she’ll wear even more British brands when she sees something she like. She already wear those silly fascinators. Stuff that looks like a bird built a nest on one’s head.

The clothes aren’t going to bring her closer to the people. Her work as a senior royal, her charitable efforts and her kindness and respectability will. Folks just have to be willing to stop punishing her for being her.
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:54 AM
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Iím sure sheíll wear even more British brands when she sees something she like.
Thankfully, we have a large and creative fashion industry that should cover most tastes.
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:58 AM
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Thankfully, we have a large and creative fashion industry that should cover most tastes.
She already developed her own fashionable taste. She do wear some British wear. She also have her own clothes that she brought with her too.
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Old 06-17-2019, 10:00 AM
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It is really funny. Like I said in an earlier post back in the 90's and early 2000s, John Galliano was touted as the second coming of Christ in the British Fashion Industry and in the UK media. Though he had his own label, it was his stunts at Givenchy oh what a surprise for a year and Dior for 15 years that made him an icon and household name. Over that period he was named British Designer of the Year 4 times, and in a 2004 poll for the BBC,he was named the fifth most influential person in British culture. Given the rational presented here, he shouldn't have received these kind of acclaim, i mean Dior and Givenchy are french

Well Clare Waight Keller was feted by the British Fashion Council. The British Fashion Council awarded her with British Womenswear Designer of the Year honour. If there is an entity entitled to talk about the British Fashion industry, it is the British Fashion Council. Their opinion is certainly more qualified

Meghan has developed a relationship with a British Designer who happens to be the Artistic Director of fashion house named Givenchy, and she supporting her end of story.

If we were to follow your [...] thought processes, no more champagne at Banquets at Buckingham or Windsor. Last time I checked Veuve Clicquot, Don Perignon, or Pol Roger are all French. No more Chateau Petrus and Chateau Margot. These are french wines. No more Menu at royal banquets written in French. By the same token go change the motto of the order of the garter "Honi soit qui mal y pense", it is in French and by he way it should be honni with 2 "n" in correct French, and get rid of Dieu est mon Droit” too.

Enough already
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Old 06-17-2019, 10:06 AM
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Last time I checked this forum was for open discussion and debate, and to express our own personal opinions. This story is going to keep appearing, as the ďnumbersĒ articles appear for all royal wives frequently.

So I donít think weíll ďgive it a restĒ, whilst I appreciate some might be tired of the conversation, others arenít and we are all allowed to express our opinions on the matter in hand.
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If she does more of that & reduces the new pieces by houses like Givenchy, she'll be on the right track & Brits will praise her for it.
On the other hand, if Meghan keeps supporting Clare Waight Kellerís work, this can lead to CWK starting her own British house of fashion.

I donít understand whatís wrong with DoS supporting British talent.
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Old 06-17-2019, 10:14 AM
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I am a supporter of Meghan & her work as my many posts on this forum can confirm. I have defended her many times here against toxic press and will continue to do so.

I also reserve the right to comment on how the BRF spends the money they receive (which they wouldn't get if we became a republic) and also to comment on the work they do on our behalf. If people want to twist this into some kind of 'punishment' for Meghan then they don't understand that criticism can be constructive, positive & useful.
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Old 06-17-2019, 10:18 AM
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On the other hand, if Meghan keeps supporting Clare Waight Kellerís work, this can lead to CWK starting her own British house of fashion.

I donít understand whatís wrong with DoS supporting British talent.
I hope Meghan continues to support CWK's work but also that she purchases new items from predominantly British brands. She can do both.
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Not quite.

This is a conversation that has been had many a time, and I don't particularly want to repeat it but will try and keep it as brief as possible. The problem is that unlike Sophie, Catherine and Camilla, Meghan's working wardrobe has largely been foreign designer brands, with the odd piece by a British fashion house thrown in ever so often. That obviously does not go down well. There are no differing standards, just facts. And whilst we are at it, Canadian and other Commonwealth brands are just as foreign as Givenchy, Dior and Prada as the British economy is concerned.
Quite, actually. I respect your take but I don't really buy it. So my statement above stands.
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Old 06-17-2019, 11:27 AM
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why can there not be civil conversation on this forum,why has it turned into a for and against Meghan.

I had never looked at this section until today and if you go back to older posts, Kate was being criticised for spending on clothes.. so nothing has changed.

I do not have a problem with people disagreeing, nicely, or at least constructively but too often on these forums people who say anything that is deemed to be against Meghan are accused of having agendas or there being underlying reasons.It is not acceptable.
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