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Old 07-14-2018, 10:10 PM
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I doubt Charles cares what his daughters-in-law unless there is a problem. But I would think the person who's footing the bill would have a say when his money is buying trouble somehow.
Are we even sure that Prince Charles is footing the bill for her clothing? Because if he was, wouldn't there be stipulations about how that money should be spent on a working wardrobe? Meghan came into the royal family with her own wealth...she brought her gown for the engagement photos and her own wedding dress. I can see Meghan being the feminist that she is saying, I can spend my own money for my own wardrobe!
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:18 PM
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This helps explain things.

"Things will change a bit for the couple once they're married on May 19. Once she is officially a member of the royal family, Markle's clothing expenditures for official engagements will be paid for from Prince Charles' income, which is about $28 million. That money also covers Harry, William, and Kate's clothing budgets, as well as salaries related to their public lives (like those of their assistants). Just for comparison's sake, People reports that last year the total came to around $4.8 million."

https://www.glamour.com/story/heres-...royal-wardrobe
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:20 PM
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Are we even sure that Prince Charles is footing the bill for her clothing? Because if he was, wouldn't there be stipulations about how that money should be spent on a working wardrobe? Meghan came into the royal family with her own wealth...she brought her gown for the engagement photos and her own wedding dress. I can see Meghan being the feminist that she is saying, I can spend my own money for my own wardrobe!
They are reimbursed for working wardrobe. There is no reason for Meghan to fund it through her private wealth as she's already had to give up all of her sources of income except for investments.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:23 PM
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Okay I guess what I am asking is....can Meghan choose to pay for her own clothes from her own wealth?

EDIT....saw jacqui's post after writing the above.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:53 PM
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They are reimbursed for working wardrobe. There is no reason for Meghan to fund it through her private wealth as she's already had to give up all of her sources of income except for investments.
The issue with clothing expenditure by the royals is, however, that the difference between "working wardrobe" and "personal wardrobe" is not that clear cut.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:55 PM
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The issue with clothing expenditure by the royals is, however, that the difference between "working wardrobe" and "personal wardrobe" is not that clear cut.
That's a different issue and I do have a view on it that's different than the current practice.
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Old 08-19-2018, 04:59 PM
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Sorry if this has been asked before. If the UK became a republic, would the royal family keep the Duchy of Lancaster, the Duchy of Cornwall and the Crown Estate?
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Old 08-19-2018, 06:31 PM
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Sorry if this has been asked before. If the UK became a republic, would the royal family keep the Duchy of Lancaster, the Duchy of Cornwall and the Crown Estate?
Its its a peaceful decision to become a republic (and I can't imagine it wouldn't be), than I would imagine that the government would negotiate such arrangements with the BRF and if compensate them for the loss of such revenue.
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Old 08-19-2018, 07:52 PM
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Sorry if this has been asked before. If the UK became a republic, would the royal family keep the Duchy of Lancaster, the Duchy of Cornwall and the Crown Estate?

No. They aren't really 'private property' in the same way as Sandringham.

The 'Crown Estates' are lands that remained in 'crown' hands as the various monarchs gave lands to their supporters (remember William I claimed ALL the land of England as being his and thus established the 'Crown' as the owner of the land). Over the centuries the monarch lost their power to the extent that now they are mainly a figurehead and the income of the Crown Estates is given to the government to help fund the government expenditures. George III handed it all over as there wasn't enough to fund the army and the judiciary and other aspects of government still in the monarch's hands and he felt that it should all be funded and organised by the government of the day. He asked for enough back to fund his official duties and that of his family (the now defunct Civil List).

In 1992 the Queen agreed to repay the Civil List payments to all of her extended family - only The Queen, The Queen Mother and Philip kept their Civil List payments and the Queen repaid, from the Duchy of Lancaster, all of the other moneys paid.

In 2012 the government changed the way the official engagements were funded again - with the Sovereign Grant which is equal to 15% of the Crown Estates. The other 85% stays with the government to spend as it sees fit. That 15% also has to cover the maintenance of the occupied royal palaces.

As a result - with no monarch there would be no need for the BRF to receive anything from the Crown Estates as they wouldn't be living in the occupied royal palaces nor undertaking official duties on behalf of the nation. That money would presumably be needed to fund the President in their official duties.

The Duchies were set up as a source of private income separate to the Crown Estates so that there was a clear separation between the expenses involved in running the country and the monarch and heir's own personal expenses. As the monarch and heir will no longer have any position there would be no need for that income to go to them. They are also specifically for the 'monarch' and 'heir apparent'. The Sovereign Grant has guaranteed that the Duchy of Cornwall will go to the heir apparent regardless of gender or relationship to the monarch even if they aren't the Duke e.g. if Charles were to die before the Queen then William will have the income of the Duchy of Cornwall but not the title Duke of Cornwall.

They would keep Sandringham, Balmoral and Gatcombe as those properties have been purchased outright but none of the other homes e.g. Highgrove, Royal Lodge or Bagshot Park are although Andrew did pay the 75 year lease on Royal Lodge in advance so he would probably be safe to stay there until the end of the lease.

In short the government would take the Crown Estates, and the Duchies as there would be no reason for that money to go to the royal family if the country was a republic.

The younger royals would be expected to get jobs and earn their own way or live off their existing fortunes. They may pay a pension to the older royals - those over 65 definitely. Andrew has a naval pension but Edward would have to hope he has enough in trust funds to live the rest of his life.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:01 PM
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Sorry if this has been asked before. If the UK became a republic, would the royal family keep the Duchy of Lancaster, the Duchy of Cornwall and the Crown Estate?
It would depend on the kind of settlement the republic would agree with the royal family, but I suppose the royals would give up the revenue from the duchies and the Crown estate after being offered some form of compensation.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:06 PM
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Given that in this day and age one of the main reasons the RF could be forced to give up the throne would be for perceived largesse I suspect no government would hand over revenue from the duchies or crown estate. Maybe at most a transitional payment or two but otherwise I suspect they will walk away with Sandringham & Balmoral, some jewels and artwork, the Queen's horses & investments.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:27 PM
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I suspect an argument might be made that, given the work and effort Charles has put into growing the Duchy of Cornwall, some compensation might be due (along the lines of a golden parachute for a departing CEO).

One thing I would bet money on was that if the UK were to become a republic and keep the CE and two Duchies, the property in them would be privatized within a decade and they would cease to exist in any form.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:03 AM
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I wonder about the Royal Collection. Who gets the art work, etc?
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:22 AM
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The Royal Collection is like the Crown Estate - it belongs to the nation and not to the BRF personally so the Royal Collection would be available for whomever the government decided could use it or go on display in the various palaces that would be opened as museums no doubt.

Most of the jewels and art works have been placed in the Royal Collection to avoid taxes over the years - either gift or death taxes. All gifts given on official visits over a certain figure go into the royal collection these days and do not remain the personal property of the royal who received those gifts.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:36 AM
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And there is IMO one of the best reasons to avoid a republic - the appearance of First Lady Blair or First Lady Cameron wearing the jewels.

Out of interest I wonder how many of the Queen's jewels are in the Royal Collection and how many are hers personally? Over the years the lines would get blurred.
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Old 09-27-2018, 05:59 AM
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Something Harry and Meghan will need to be mindful about their stay in Australia.

While Charles and Camilla had a private stay in Australia before their tour their own expenses were payed for by them but their taff was put up in hotels and their food and upkeep was payed by taxpayers and taxpayers were billed $19000 for Charlies and Camilla's private stay.

Not a great story for the royals in the run up to Harry and Meghan's tour.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:57 AM
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Something Harry and Meghan will need to be mindful about their stay in Australia.

While Charles and Camilla had a private stay in Australia before their tour their own expenses were payed for by them but their taff was put up in hotels and their food and upkeep was payed by taxpayers and taxpayers were billed $19000 for Charlies and Camilla's private stay.

Not a great story for the royals in the run up to Harry and Meghan's tour.
This is just lazy journalism, IMO, and a real non-issue. Costs of the accommodation for security agents and staff are always billed to the local government. Its very much part of the cost of the tour. Its not lavish or high living, just the expenses that come with the territory. Even if there were to be an elected President in Australia, these costs will be incurred.
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Old 09-27-2018, 04:56 PM
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You're absolutely correct. The bill for overseas travel for any RPO is submitted directly to the Metropolitan Police/Scotland Yard. Its where their paychecks come from also.

It is also that department that sets up the guidelines of what is expected as far as accommodations, travel, expenses and how many hours on the job allowed.
In a few places that I've read, even if Harry's RPO flew with him to Toronto back when he was visiting Meghan, his RPOs (there's always more than just one) couldn't just stay at the motel at the end of the block but was required to be put up in a hotel meeting the standards set.

Its kind of amusing but I remember reading in a few places where the royal was accommodated overnight simply (a tent or friend's home) and the RPOs stayed at a 4 star hotel.

Its not the royal that calls the shot on this.
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You're absolutely correct. The bill for overseas travel for any RPO is submitted directly to the Metropolitan Police/Scotland Yard. Its where their paychecks come from also.

It is also that department that sets up the guidelines of what is expected as far as accommodations, travel, expenses and how many hours on the job allowed.
In a few places that I've read, even if Harry's RPO flew with him to Toronto back when he was visiting Meghan, his RPOs (there's always more than just one) couldn't just stay at the motel at the end of the block but was required to be put up in a hotel meeting the standards set.

Its kind of amusing but I remember reading in a few places where the royal was accommodated overnight simply (a tent or friend's home) and the RPOs stayed at a 4 star hotel.

Its not the royal that calls the shot on this.
I feel like some people overestimate just how much “free stuff” the royals get. When Will and Kate went to NY in 2014 it was St Andrews who accommodated then besides the security. Even on royal tours I don’t think the country accommodate EVERYTHING.
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Proves that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Foreign tours are requested government to government and the host country does provide mostly for the main essentials for their visiting guests. When there are certain factors that figure in, for example, President Trump and Air Force One, the cost of the transport is relegated to the US government along with the cost of everything from the Secret Service to the designer M&Ms on board Air Force One. This is a good article that relates to the costs incurred by Trump's short visit. Scroll down to the area talking about Air Force One.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Force-One.html

For the British royals, what needs to be paid for that the host country doesn't pay for such as wardrobe and other things, the Queen subsidizes expenses through the Sovereign Grant with the exception of the Cambridges and the Sussexes. Theirs are covered by The Prince of Wales.

The British royal family does not accept freebies whatsoever. Everything cost related to them are published in yearly reports which are usually found in this thread.
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