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Old 10-10-2016, 03:05 PM
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And that m'friend is a good indication of what the debates and powers that be that consult and connive together over the pros and the cons to get this project off the drawing board is going to be like and I don't believe either of us is actually British but we're doing a danged good job of discussing it all aren't we?

I really enjoy these conversations with you Dman. Make my drink a Chiroc mango OK?
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Old 10-10-2016, 03:17 PM
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I think a royal yacht may not be that unpalatable to the general public, once it is sailing.

In the wake of Brexit, which in itself was partly a nationalist statement,there has been a rise of nationalism in Britain and among many if not most Britons. Even among those who voted against Brexit. If for no other reason than defiance. - Perhaps romantic-nationalism is a better phrase.

A Brittania sailing again is also a nod back the proud days when Britain genuinely was a sea-faring nation. A floating symbol of national pride if you will.
Especially if they build a new one that does look like a ship - rather than the ugly, functional and soul-less modern cruise-ships and super-yachts.
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Old 10-10-2016, 03:25 PM
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A Brittania sailing again is also a nod back the proud days when Britain genuinely was a sea-faring nation. A floating symbol of national pride if you will. Especially if they build a new one that does look like a ship - rather than the ugly, functional and soul-less modern cruise-ships and super-yachts.
I like your thinking. You've put some better perspective of all of this into my head and as always, I like your clear thinking.

This is all the more reason that if there should be a Brittania at sea again, its the original and historic one and not something fashioned as "new and improved" that has no character to it at all. The Brittania as herself has meaning. A new and improved ship would be a cheap copy with no substance to it.
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Old 10-11-2016, 01:11 PM
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I found this very interesting;
https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/...56628197294080
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Old 10-11-2016, 01:20 PM
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Old 10-11-2016, 01:48 PM
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If I hadn't of seen it, I wouldn't have believed it. Totally weird for sure!
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:42 PM
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Calls for foreign aid budget to be spent on new royal yacht to boost post-Brexit trade-
Tory MPs call for foreign aid budget to be spent on new royal yacht Britannia | Politics | News | Daily Express

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"The new yacht could be used to host trade meetings, transport Prime Minister & provide accommodation for Royal Family on state visits,"
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:47 PM
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I was really hoping that if they're going to do this, they would get the Brittania back in seaworthy shape again and not commission a brand new yacht.
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:54 PM
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I think it would cost nearly as much to make the necessary changes to the Britannia as it would to build a new one.

In addition, HMY is a popular tourist attraction in Edinburgh (I think?) and I would guess they would hate to lose it.

A brand new yacht is much more sensible and has this taxpayer's full support! According to the Telegraph, people have been writing to them actually sending cheques in and offering to donate their winter fuel payments that the government gives to people of retirement age towards a new yacht!
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:58 PM
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I was really hoping that if they're going to do this, they would get the Brittania back in seaworthy shape again and not commission a brand new yacht.
Well, I too hope these talks will materialize into an actual yacht. It's a long shot, but at least some official talks are actually happening with lots of backing. A lot of plans and cost have to be thought through.

I had no idea that other countries had State Yachts. I know of other royal yachts, but State Yachts.
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I think it would cost nearly as much to make the necessary changes to the Britannia as it would to build a new one.

In addition, HMY is a popular tourist attraction in Edinburgh (I think?) and I would guess they would hate to lose it.

A brand new yacht is much more sensible and has this taxpayer's full support! According to the Telegraph, people have been writing to them actually sending cheques in and offering to donate their winter fuel payments that the government gives to people of retirement age towards a new yacht!
Not a British taxpayer myself, - but I agree for several reasons.

A new Britannia needs extensive upgrading in security, communications, accommodation, fuel economy and no doubt various work-safety-measures as well.
It would IMO be much more sensible to commission a whole new ship. With British design, British build, British furnishing and the best (again mainly) British technology.
- That at least is how I would sell the idea.
As a floating representative for not only Britain, but the best Britain can offer.

Not only will it save money when going visiting abroad, at least for the visited country, but it will also be easier to protect and be a more permanent home away from home for the BRF - rather than hotels and guest-rooms.
Not to mention that a well-designed and good looking Britannia will be an attraction in itself.
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Old 10-11-2016, 03:06 PM
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Well, I too hope these talks will materialize into an actual yacht. It's a long shot, but at least some official talks are actually happening with lots of backing. A lot of plans and cost have to be thought through.

I had no idea that other countries had State Yachts. I know of other royal yachts, but State Yachts.
USA had an official presidential yacht IIRC.
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Old 10-11-2016, 03:07 PM
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I think it would cost nearly as much to make the necessary changes to the Britannia as it would to build a new one.

In addition, HMY is a popular tourist attraction in Edinburgh (I think?) and I would guess they would hate to lose it.

A brand new yacht is much more sensible and has this taxpayer's full support! According to the Telegraph, people have been writing to them actually sending cheques in and offering to donate their winter fuel payments that the government gives to people of retirement age towards a new yacht!
The Brittania is indeed moored outside of Edinburgh I believe and is quite a popular tourist attraction.

I find it quite touching that the public has been taking these measures in support of a seafaring vessel once again roaming the high seas for Great Britain. From what I've read, the funds for this will be by private donations and not out of the taxpayer's pockets and it does seem that some of the public are showing their support for this project. That is so cool!
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Old 10-11-2016, 05:34 PM
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Government has 'no plans' for royal yacht for Brexit trade talks - BBC News

I agree that good proposals have to be put forward and private financing should be used.
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I think it would be great if they did
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After the referendum people might have expected the UK politicians to be engaged by now in a serious and wide-ranging debate on how to mend fences with the so-much-bigger brother across the Channel. Instead, Britain is losing itself in delusional grandstanding, talking about itself to itself, using the Britannia as a loincloth to disguise that Westminster has no idea what to do now: drag that boat in the harbour of Kiel! Angela Merkel surely will shiver by the sight of it and give in! Come on....
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:11 AM
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After the referendum people might have expected the UK politicians to be engaged by now in a serious and wide-ranging debate on how to mend fences with the so-much-bigger brother across the Channel. Instead, Britain is losing itself in delusional grandstanding, talking about itself to itself, using the Britannia as a loincloth to disguise they have no idea what to do now.
The U.K. have relaunch themselves on the world stage of trade and diplomatic relations. Lots of brainstorming going on, but putting plans to a new State Yacht for official reasons is a good start, IMO.
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Actually we know PERFECTLY well what to do.. which is to negotiate our departure from the EU, as per the democratic decision of the people on June 23rd inst.
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We DO need a new Royal Yacht say the last three men who captained Britannia | Daily Mail Online
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The construction of a successor to royal yacht Britannia has moved a signifcant step closer after a group of entrepreneurs pledged £250,000 to pay a City firm to carry out an analysis of her costs and benefits to the British economy.

Deloitte, one of the world’s biggest consultancy firms, has been formally approached by the group of businessmen to develop plans for a successor to the royal yacht.

Representatives from the group met with Deloitte this week and have offered to pay £250,000 for a "scoping document" which will the cost of a new ship and her benefit to the economy.
Read more: Successor to new Britannia moves closer as Deloitte approached to carry out cost benefit analysis
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