Royal Orders and Decorations

[msleiman]

In another thread it said that Zara had the Queen's family order. Does anyone have a picture of her wearing it? Also do the York girls have the order? Please post any pictures any of the ladies wearing this order!

[BeatrixFan]

Not sure about Zara actually but I'm pretty sure that we'll be seeing the York girls get it in the near future as well as the Duchess of Cornwall (which could be next week when the Emperor and Empress of Japan visit).

[msleiman]

Thanks, can not wait to see the pictures from the visit!

[BeatrixFan]

Although having said that it looks like the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall are in Scotland when the dinner is held at Buckingham Palace so I don't think we will see any new family orders on display.

[yvr girl]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Not sure about Zara actually but I'm pretty sure that we'll be seeing the York girls get it in the near future as well as the Duchess of Cornwall (which could be next week when the Emperor and Empress of Japan visit).

I wouldn't expect them to receive them until they are done with school, and working for the 'firm'.

I've read that Zara has it as well, but I've never seen her with one.

[Warren]

Wikipedia states that Zara Phillips has the Royal Family Order, but this is open to doubt.

[HMQueenElizabethII]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Although having said that it looks like the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall are in Scotland when the dinner is held at Buckingham Palace so I don't think we will see any new family orders on display.

At the Concert/Dinner in America in January, when the Duchess wore her new necklace, the Prince of Wales put on alot of Orders, while the Duchess was without the Orders, so i'm doubt we would see any Orders soon with the Duchess of Cornwall.

[BeatrixFan]

She has been with the firm for two years though and she is the future Queen. The Emperor of Japan gave Crown Princess Victoria the Order of the Chrysanthemum on his visit to Sweden and I thought that maybe Camilla would get the same at the dinner and would be sporting the sash, badge and the Royal Family Order but I suppose we'll have to wait a little longer.

[yvr girl]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

She has been with the firm for two years though and she is the future Queen. The Emperor of Japan gave Crown Princess Victoria the Order of the Chrysanthemum on his visit to Sweden and I thought that maybe Camilla would get the same at the dinner and would be sporting the sash, badge and the Royal Family Order but I suppose we'll have to wait a little longer.

And she and Andrew were together for about 6 years before they parted ways.

[BeatrixFan]

Yes but Fergie wasn't married to the Prince of Wales and wasn't polishing her tiara for a certain ceremony at Wesminster Abbey.

[bct88]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

She has been with the firm for two years though and she is the future Queen. The Emperor of Japan gave Crown Princess Victoria the Order of the Chrysanthemum on his visit to Sweden and I thought that maybe Camilla would get the same at the dinner and would be sporting the sash, badge and the Royal Family Order but I suppose we'll have to wait a little longer.

I doubt that Camilla will get the Order of the Chrysanthemum. Apart from the monarch, the heir receives it, and not the spouse of the heir. No female monarch has this order, except for Elizabeth, Beatrix, and Margrethe. As a consort, and other female members of royal families, the Order of the Precious Crown is bestowed, so if Camilla is to receive any Japanese order, she would receive the Order of the Precious Crown.

[wbenson]

I don't believe the upcoming visit is a true state visit, so I doubt any orders would be exchanged.

[BeatrixFan]

Well, the visit to Estonia wasn't a state one but orders were exchanged.

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by HMQueenElizabethII

At the Concert/Dinner in America in January, when the Duchess wore her new necklace, the Prince of Wales put on alot of Orders, while the Duchess was without the Orders, so i'm doubt we would see any Orders soon with the Duchess of Cornwall.

That has to do with the dresscode. When the gentleman wears cravate noire (black tie), the usance is not to wear decorations.

The British (and the British Commonwealth) however, has a custom that gentlemen can wear small decorations in combination with a smoking. No sash, no breast star: just small decorations. When the Prince of Orange visited Australia last year, he wore small decorations on his black tie. This was the very first time he ever did so, as on the Continent never decorations are worn with black tie. See this picture. So the Prince adapted to the British / Britis Commonwealth custom.

You see the Princess of Orange wore no decorations. This is in line with the general dresscode: ladies do not wear decorations during black tie events. Not on the Continent and also not in Britain or the British Commonwealth. So no matter how many decorations a royal lady has: during a black tie event she will not wear any.

[RoyalProtocol]

Originally Posted by Henri M.

You see the Princess of Orange wore no decorations. This is in line with the general dresscode: ladies do not wear decorations during black tie events. Not on the Continent and also not in Britain or the British Commonwealth. So no matter how many decorations a royal lady has: during a black tie event she will not wear any.

This is not quite true, Her Majesty The Queen often wears the star of an order with black tie, though no other decorations are put on, for examples see photos of dinner on board Britannia with President Regan in the 1980s and lots of other official black tie functions, CHOGM dinners are also a good example.

[Von Schlesian]

Originally Posted by RoyalProtocol

This is not quite true, Her Majesty The Queen often wears the star of an order with black tie, though no other decorations are put on, for examples see photos of dinner on board Britannia with President Regan in the 1980s and lots of other official black tie functions, CHOGM dinners are also a good example.

Not only that, but we often see HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh wear the Star of the Order of the Garter and badge of the Order of Merit (suspended from miniature width neck ribband) along with court-mounted miniatures when wearing black tie.

[wbenson]

The official portrait of the Queen of Canada was taken at a black tie function, but the Queen is wearing the insignia of the Order of Canada and order of Military Merit, and Prince Philip is wearing miniature decorations.

[joye]

On Royal Jewels Board, I recently came across htt://www.regiments.org/biograohy/royals/1947birG.htm
a site stating The Duchess of Gloucester's honours etc.
It states that in 1973 The Duchess had QEII Royal Family Order 2nd class.

What does 2nd class mean? Why is there a class difference?
What does a 2nd class Family Order look like?

Whilst reading "The Last Princess" by Matthew Dennison, a story of Princess Beatrice, the youngest daughter of Q. Victoria, it says on page 234, Beatrice received from her brother, Edward VII, His Family Order 2nd class. ???

Can anyone offer and explanation of this 2nd class Royal Family Order?
I am most intrigued and would love to know more.
joye

[Ranunculus Rex]

I believe that the First Class of the British Royal Family Orders (each created and bestowed on ladies by the reigning Sovereign) is reserved for those of queenly rank (foreign royalty) and the daughters of the Sovereign.

The Second Class would be for other Royal ladies by birth or marriage; the Third and Fourth Classes are for non-Royal ladies.

RR

[joye]

Sophie, Countess of Wessex has the FRO, so your theory would not hold.